The wavy asphalt on inbound Jefferson at McLellan is back!

[GPCharles]

And worse than ever. Four big bumps in the pavement. I don't know if something or someone is buried under there, but it is in the exact same spot in the inner lane of Jefferson, just past McLellan as before.

Will it ever be repaired for good?

[Honky Tonk]

And worse than ever. Four big bumps in the pavement. I don't know if something or someone is buried under there,

Hoffa...

[MikeM]

East Jefferson is to be rebuilt starting next spring, after they finish replacing the water mains.

[DetroitSoldier]

East Jefferson is to be rebuilt starting next spring, after they finish replacing the water mains.

Then why did they just waste the time and money resurfacing it from 375 to Jefferson Chalmers? So incredibly wasteful!

[MikeM]

Then why did they just waste the time and money resurfacing it from 375 to Jefferson Chalmers? So incredibly wasteful!

To repair the damage done by the work completed so far. It was just a resurfacing that has been done, not at rebuild.

[GPCharles]

The water main work was done AFTER the repaving was completed.

[Honky Tonk]

To repair the damage done by the work completed so far. It was just a resurfacing that has been done, not at rebuild.

Resurfacing of the 2 traffic lanes, in each direction, was done, and almost immediately they were ripped up to replace sewerage pipes. CoD replaced water mains on E. Jefferson about 10 years ago. They need replacing again? But this thread is about the reappearing sink hole at E. Jefferson and McClellan. Why would CoD go through a take out and repair, and not properly repair it in the first place? Job security? Where are the City Inspectors?

[stasu1213]

Contractors are making a mint resurfacing Jefferson a second time with a few years if laying down cheap asphalt the first time. Yes it's a racket. It appear that whenever a major avenue or street go through a major resurfacing road crews, whether DTE or some other company tear up those streets to do some underground repairs. Then a shoddy patch job is done on that road causing a crater or the avenue or road to start cracking or buckling again. The same paving company is then used to lay down more cheap asphalt. Follow the money. Who is getting over in this

[stasu1213]

Resurfacing of the 2 traffic lanes, in each direction, was done, and almost immediately they were ripped up to replace sewerage pipes. CoD replaced water mains on E. Jefferson about 10 years ago. They need replacing again? But this thread is about the reappearing sink hole at E. Jefferson and McClellan. Why would CoD go through a take out and repair, and not properly repair it in the first place? Job security? Where are the City Inspectors?

Most projects in Detroit are probably loosed up or slowly done for job security of the head contractors. Sometimes you may see a street appearing to be completely done or a building. However, if there is still that one remains orange barrel left on the street or that one board covering that one corner window on the completed building that contractor is probably still getting money for the job is not technically completed

[kuuma]

The Jefferson Corridor plan is only going to be a marginal improvement. I talked to one of the people from Dept. of Public Works on the management team for this project and he was really hostile to transit alternatives, fully shutting down the prospect of ever holding space for a street car line or any serious BRT options. Even in its forthcoming redesign it remains completely car-centric. His rationale was that a rail vs. bus wouldn't change ridership interest, yet there were no questions to this matter in the surveys...

Even the analysis of cycling lanes seems grossly misguided. In the report it basically says the reason there aren't many cyclists using the street lanes is because cyclists lack awareness of safe cycling practices. So arrogant! No mention of how the bike lanes are filled with trash and potholes and dangerous to use.

Anyway, nice fancy graphics to cover up the bare minimum ambition.

[MikeM]

From last August:

5.7-mile stretch of E. Jefferson to undergo limited resurfacing project

In approximately three years, DPW will oversee a complete streetscape project for East Jefferson Avenue, similar to projects on Livernois and Grand River. The project will include several underground utility updates including from the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department [[DWSD). As part of its capital improvement program to upgrade the water and sewer systems, DWSD is planning to rehabilitate or replace existing water mains in coordination with the Great Lakes Water Authority. The complete streetscape project is currently in the design phase.

[stasu1213]

From last August:

5.7-mile stretch of E. Jefferson to undergo limited resurfacing project

That design phase may take up to two to three years. There were a design plan for Jefferson from Chalmers to around Chene a few years back I thought

[stasu1213]

The Jefferson Corridor plan is only going to be a marginal improvement. I talked to one of the people from Dept. of Public Works on the management team for this project and he was really hostile to transit alternatives, fully shutting down the prospect of ever holding space for a street car line or any serious BRT options. Even in its forthcoming redesign it remains completely car-centric. His rationale was that a rail vs. bus wouldn't change ridership interest, yet there were no questions to this matter in the surveys...

Even the analysis of cycling lanes seems grossly misguided. In the report it basically says the reason there aren't many cyclists using the street lanes is because cyclists lack awareness of safe cycling practices. So arrogant! No mention of how the bike lanes are filled with trash and potholes and dangerous to use.

Anyway, nice fancy graphics to cover up the bare minimum ambition.

The lanes on Jefferson were poorly designed from the start. The lane crossing Conners going westbound is confusing and very dangerous to cyclist and motorists. The lanes going in both directions on Jefferson from Cadillac westward to Rivard are in blindspots where motorists making right turns from Jefferson to side streets have difficulty seeing cyclists approaching in the lanes especially at night from between the cars parked in the streets along Jefferson and the curb. Livernois from Curtis westbound to 8 mile has a better designated bike lane system where the lanes are integrated with the edges of the wide sidewalks

[GPCharles]

OMG - As I drove downtown this morning it looked like they were setting up to repair this quagmire. Fingers crossed...

[jcole]

Say it louder; maybe the Feds will come and fix our roads while they look...

Hoffa...

[gumby]

Most projects in Detroit are probably loosed up or slowly done for job security of the head contractors. Sometimes you may see a street appearing to be completely done or a building. However, if there is still that one remains orange barrel left on the street or that one board covering that one corner window on the completed building that contractor is probably still getting money for the job is not technically completed

I think too many people confuse incompetence for conspiracy these days.

[wolverine]

This issue happens everywhere. Different infrastructure scope can be scheduled at different times depending on funding. Even if temporary resurfacing was inferior, it’s better than nothing. I bike a route in Chicago that had water mains replaced. They threw down unfinished concrete poured as continuous slabs. The logic was a year or two later, expansion joint cracks would naturally appear and concrete would be milled level with an asphalt topcoat. Project was delayed, then a quarry strike and the road has been a bumpy mess until the work gets done. Much would have preferred temporary asphalt, even with sinkhole depressions

[GPCharles]

Another OMG - it's been repaired as of this morning.

[Zacha341]

Yeah. I cycle mostly about WSU and see cars not yielding to cyclists and cyclists taking huge risks as well [darting in an out of all lanes]. Not me. I even wear one of those bright yellow vests when cycling. It's hard to be seen even when you ride safe as it is, and bad lanes don't help.

...The lanes going in both directions on Jefferson from Cadillac westward to Rivard are in blindspots where motorists making right turns from Jefferson to side streets have difficulty seeing cyclists approaching in the lanes especially at night from between the cars parked in the streets along Jefferson and the curb. Livernois from Curtis westbound to 8 mile has a better designated bike lane system where the lanes are integrated with the edges of the wide sidewalks

[Honky Tonk]

Well I just drove over it for the first time since the repair, and I give it a 3. The depressions are still there, the right side dip either wasn't fixed properly or the problem [Hoffa?] is returning. It seemed like the patch is starting to sink again. [Yeah, well it's better than it was...]

[GPCharles]

Agree 100% - what the heck is under there? When they were doing the repair it looked like concrete.

[Honky Tonk]

Agree 100% - what the heck is under there? When they were doing the repair it looked like concrete.

It's definitely not concrete. Maybe underneath the "asphalt". Or, if they did put concrete underneath, the asphalt over it looks cheap and succumbs to heat.

[GPCharles]

OMG - one big wave in the pavement is already reforming. It's like moguls on a ski hill, you flatten them out, you use the road for a while and the wavy asphalt returns.
What is under there?

[canuck]

OMG - one big wave in the pavement is already reforming. It's like moguls on a ski hill, you flatten them out, you use the road for a while and the wavy asphalt returns.
What is under there?

Quaker oats does a good job for a while, as long as the traffic is moderate.

[Honky Tonk]

OMG - one big wave in the pavement is already reforming. It's like moguls on a ski hill, you flatten them out, you use the road for a while and the wavy asphalt returns.
What is under there?

Hoffa...