Detroit training center opens for aspiring carpenters and millwrights!

[Zacha341]

Awesome! Nice to see this new development/ center come about!

Trade center gives students a way to ‘earn while they learn’

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...ve-their-mark/

From article:

The center will train up to 1,500 students annually at no cost to Michigan taxpayers. That’s 1,500 more people each year ready to continue building and repairing the many projects Detroit needs. With the number of those going into skilled trade increasing, it’s estimated that 60% of Detroiters will have a post-secondary degree or certificate by 2030.

Michigan Carpenters Union Opens New Training Center In Detroit

[Richard]

Awesome! Nice to see this new development/ center come about!

Trade center gives students a way to ‘earn while they learn’

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...ve-their-mark/

From article:

The center will train up to 1,500 students annually at no cost to Michigan taxpayers. That’s 1,500 more people each year ready to continue building and repairing the many projects Detroit needs. With the number of those going into skilled trade increasing, it’s estimated that 60% of Detroiters will have a post-secondary degree or certificate by 2030.

Michigan Carpenters Union Opens New Training Center In Detroit

Excellent until they had to add this part

Together, we reinstated prevailing wage, cracked down on payroll fraud, expanded opportunities for people to land good-paying union jobs, and continued delivering on the kitchen-table issues that matter most to working families.


The skilled trades provide good paying excellent opportunities union or not.

I know several that are in the trades that started out as building materials salespeople,they got into a trade and then built a company that provides over $500k a year non union.

I know another one that started out with zero plumbing experience,worked as an apprentice,then opens up his own supply house and then sold that to a big box store for $65 million before the age of 45.

How come they cannot just train to work instead of having the strings attached?

[southen]

So you want the Michigan Carpenters Union to not mention the benefits of a union at their own training center? So its "teach a man to fish" unless it is a union doing the teaching?

[JonWylie]

The skilled trades provide good paying excellent opportunities union or not.
...
How come they cannot just train to work instead of having the strings attached?

Because the Union literally built the training center?

[Zacha341]

^ Umm, yes. That factor does seem to emerge doesn't it?!

I remain encouraged for this training center option in the D. More are shying away from colleges, especially four-year college commitments. Career tech education and certification [especially skill-trades and technical] is growing! Good for Detroit.

[Richard]

So you want the Michigan Carpenters Union to not mention the benefits of a union at their own training center? So its "teach a man to fish" unless it is a union doing the teaching?

Actually I wanted Michigan to embrace the concept 5 years ago when it was offered to everybody regardless of education status or union membership.

I see why it was rejected,just as the unions rejected the prevailing wage bill that took small local contractors out of being able to bid on local jobs,including schools which would have drove down the costs to the taxpayers as a whole.

The union can or could have had its program just as little locally owned contractors could have hired and trained workers in apprenticeship programs and that proposal was not limited to the skills and trades.

It covered any worker in any field,a woman that did not want to learn a skilled trade but wanted to be a lawyer could have,it would have covered all fields and gave and given opportunity across all spectrums.

That is the difference when you seek to give opportunity,you want to do it on a broad scale.

I am not saying the union is doing a bad thing and they did fund the 30 million without taxpayer money.

But as a taxpayer I would rather spend taxpayer money and invest in people and in a way that covers as many as possible in as diverse of a field as possible.

Not everybody has the dexterity to work in the skills trade, but you took the Pinto when you could have had the Cadillac because you choose party over people once again.

There is a much bigger picture involved.

What do you think happens in the future when the unions control the labor pool and set the price for services and city government contracts as they force the independents out ?

They will set the price while the taxpayers lose the ability to engage in competitive pricing.

The objective would be for the city to encourage local independent contractors that live work and play in the city as they build their business.

What future does those newly trained workers have to advance and become independent if the market is already stacked against them.

I guess once they get trained and experienced they could always move to a different city and set up shop if they want to keep personally growing.

You are not changing anything when you are setting the stage to continue on with a fixed bidding process where only a certain chosen few receive rotating city contracts.

Outside of this little narrow scope of an action that some are only choosing to see is there is a bigger picture in all of this and the objective is to actually decrease the current tax obligations for the city residents in order to encourage more to move there and give some relief to the current taxpayers.

You do not do that by allowing one entity to control the labor and bidding process.

Might as well just let the mob run the city,it would probably save a lot of aggravation, as long as you are that willing to give up taxpayer control over it.

[southen]

Calls for teaching people jobs skills and the trades... Unless of course it is a union doing so. Got it. Sounds a lot like a narrative. It also didn't require 40 paragraphs of the same word salad.

[canuck]

Teach a man to fish. That’s always been the Republican Party M.O. according to Richard. As far as that goes, he’s right, they probably would stop at that.

He resists union involvement in educational opportunities, and proposes gubmint programs instead. You don’t need to glance more than a few threads over to see him decry the trillions spent on cities in the great undoing of America. Socialism, commienism and all that bad stuff wiped out, because Richard just had an idea in his La-Z-Boy. Lol x a hunnerd.

[southen]

Switching positions from thread to thread just proves he’s a “free thinker.”

[Maof]

Richard - For once STFU! You literally don't have a clue on the subject. You highjack every single thread with your multi paragraph, long winded, I like to hear myself talk BS

[Richard]

Calls for teaching people jobs skills and the trades... Unless of course it is a union doing so. Got it. Sounds a lot like a narrative. It also didn't require 40 paragraphs of the same word salad.

It is easy to make stuff up in one’s head and put words in other’s mouth in order to fit your narrative.

I have zero issues with union based teaching skills,I have an issue with union monopolizing the local labor market.

You had two choices

A union based training center that is teaching skills and trades for the construction industry only.

A taxpayer based training center and work program that trained and employed all phases of the market.

So you chose the union based route and while doing so told a single mother raising kids,pick up a hammer or piss off because that is the only choice we decided for you.

And that is why you are where you are at,you like to keep people in the gutter so you can feel special over them,then you and Nucky look for every reason under the sun in order to defend that.

You walk through the hoods of Detroit and other cities and tell those residents that they are there and do not deserve a chance because you want it like that,but do not worry you are a nice guy and you will make sure they have just enough to exist in hell just so you can sleep at night.

Your not “helping “ anybody as you claim,you are just a modern day slave master looking for reasons to justify.

The union trade based program is projected to place 1500 tradespeople into the system per year,it will take you 10 years to meet the current demand.

An across the board training program would place people in training programs across all fields of employment at 5 times the current projection and if the construction trade hits an economy bump like it always does,you have already eliminated everybody else out of the picture that is needed to keep the city economy rolling and eliminating the starts and stops of advancement.

Of course if one is a socialist and that is their very objective,keep people dumb and broke so they have to rely on the government,which give you power over the people.

Then it is understandable why somebody would find every reason under the sun to keep people oppressed and justify those actions.

Yes it is Teach A Man To Fish

If nobody taught you and nucky how to fish you would not even be posting here,you would be selling crack on the corner or waiting on your government check while living in the ghetto,so why is it you guys feel you are entitled to the pursuit of happiness but other are not ?

[southen]

What reality do you live in? Honestly. You’re a right wing caricature that I once thought must have been exaggerated by the left but here you are proving it to be true every time you open your mouth.

[Richard]

Truth hurts,that’s why the only thing you have left is a personal attack,which is typical of little progressive socialist wannabes,it is written in their book of social media meaningless comebacks when you have nothing else.

[southen]

Truth hurts,that’s why the only thing you have left is a personal attack.

Says the guy who tosses out photography jokes... Again, you completely lack self awareness. It's cute that your coping mechanism is that "you must be right because people call you out" but you are just that absurd, hypocritical and annoying. What a lovely bubble that must be.

[Richard]

Don’t you have somebody’s else’s roof you can go play on and give it a rest,you clearly have little else to offer .

[southen]

Oh damn I must have quoted you before you added that personal insult to completely negates the first part of your sentence thus highlighting my point beautifully. Thank you.

Offerings like conspiracy theories, contradictions, parables and spelling errors? I’ll step it up.

[Gistok]

Richard... you claim to be an expert on every subject... you do know that you are not Cicero... and you know what happened to him...

[Zacha341]

Re. the center this link showcases more, with interviews of students attending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrVQ_ReBNF8

They offer three curriculum platforms:

https://www.buildmifuture.com/detroi...s-millwrights/

I remain elated that this training opportunity is available in our city!

[Richard]

Richard... you claim to be an expert on every subject... you do know that you are not Cicero... and you know what happened to him...

You have zero input into this thread outside of crying about me.

You can at least make a comment about what you feel with the new training center,other wise it just looks like your slip is showing.

It does not take an expert in life to experience it,just have to stop being narrow minded,I understand your conditioning has taught you only to follow what you are taught,but there are others out their that are knowledgeable about many things you appear to have little clue about.

You seem to be knowledgeable about LEGOs which I have zero clue about other then the pain they cause when you step on the toxic little blocks.

So see you have pertinent knowledge that I do not - feel better?

I do not live in Detroit but I have the phone number for anybody that really matters at the top,which none of those would give you the time of the day.

My stepmother was the mayor of a city the size of Detroit.

The last city I lived in,Orlando,I could walk into the mayors office at will.

The city I now live in is much like Detroit where it is run by a click where the city workers do not want to be bothered by those taxpayers who pay their salaries,so I filed lawsuits against them to remind them of who they actually represent.

Just because you have a limited scope it does not meen everybody else has.

All I have seen from you so far is,you like LEGOS,and you have a passion for going on the internet and pretending that you are better then everybody else with an asinine need to correct everybody that you feel the need to for whatever reason.

Stick to legos - we do not even play in the same league.

The one thing life teaches you that your books did not,wealth,knowledge,status buys you nothing because we all bleed red and we all die in the end,there is no person that is better then the next one as much as they think they are.

If you were actually educated you would understand education never ends.

Like I said before,over 7 years of posting nobody had an issue with my posts,until you found out where my political stance was or where you perceived it was,then the termites came out of the woodwork looking for reasons to disrupt the forum with their silly little made up high school games.

That make you the character that you claim others are.

You already said you do not have a say of what happens in the city so you cannot not help make change.

That is a bullshit excuse,I am 1200 miles away and I helped make change,you lived there all your life and instead of learning about it and figuring out how you can help make change when now is the time.

You are either a part of the solution or you are not,as it stands now you and some others do not appear to be a part of that solution because you go out of your way to continue the discourse.

Because you cannot see the bigger picture or have no interest in it enough to understand or learn it in order to make that change for the better,you take the only role you have left and create discourse it is people like that the city does not need.

Just because you cannot personally see or understand something,it does not make it not right.

It is your choice though is it not,lead,follow or get out of the way.

Cause and effect is what shapes cities and that is what these discussions are about,how what happens in policies decided dictates the cities future.

What may seem as a good idea today may be detrimental in the long term,we have these discussions or should be is to look at all sides of something and how it will impact the city today and tomorrow both positively and negatively.

This is nothing new ,go back to the days when the idea of putting freeways through the center of cities,getting rid of street cars,just to name a few,those were all ideas that some felt at the time were in the best interests of the city while there was also opposition in believing that they were not in the best interests of the city.

The object is to stop repeating the past.

[ABetterDetroit]

I do not live in Detroit but I have the phone number for anybody that really matters at the top,which none of those would give you the time of the day.

My stepmother was the mayor of a city the size of Detroit.

The last city I lived in,Orlando,I could walk into the mayors office at will.

LMFAO!!! You can’t make this stuff up.

On a anonymous message board no less… ‘I can call important people and you can’t!… My step momma!’

Hilarious Dick. Nobody is going to bother you in first grade anymore! What’s next? Your big brother going to beat us all up?

[Richard]

^ and that’s what you took out of that - like toc said,the characters do come out and they actually believe the state of things is how it should be.

Sheltered little lives.

My big brother probably could beat you up,and he has been dead for over 20 years.

You guys are the ones on the internet hiding behind fake names,you do not even believe in yourself enough not to have to hide,which I have to admit I would be ashamed with some of the stuff you make up and would feel the need to hide.

The one thing you are not better at,is in representing Detroit,outside of what it does not want to be,but you really cannot expect much from little sheep that are only trained to follow.

[canuck]

What a perfect full of yourself post, Richard. You’ve outdone yourself. I’m honored to know you now that I found out you were the mayoress’ stepson.

[southen]

Dude has a serious complex. Has to post 40 paragraphs on every topic to feel intelligent. Sues municipalities to show them who they work for. Everyone who speaks I’ll of him just can’t handle the truth he’s spitting. Everything is a conspiracy against his world view. He’s just a sad old guy whose only hobby is a message board in a city he’s never been to that somehow he’s helped more than anyone who lives here.

Okay Richard, we all see how important and special you are. Can you now dial it back a bit?

[canuck]

Lol.

[Richard]

What are some of you in grade school still?

I noticed none of you had the same comments when the poster I responded to shared his background and what he does with me,it has zero to do with being special or smarter then anybody else.

But if somebody has to take the children by the hand and explain everything to them and they still do not understand anything,that’s on them and not me.

The same click with the same clowns every time.