Stellantis Announces 3.4B investment in Ontario Plants

[Canadian Visitor]

At a press conference today with Canadian PM Trudeau and Ontario Premier Ford, Stellantis announce a 3.4B investment in its Ontario plants in Windsor and Brampton.

Canada will contribute just over 500M and Ontario 'something similar'.

Story from the Windsor Star, here: https://windsorstar.com/news/local-n...ontario-plants

Both facilities are to be re-tooled to make electric vehicles; and both will be 3-shift operations once said re-tooling is done.

No specific job number given.

[Ray1936]

Only good thing in Canada is fishing. But then, only two months of the year.

[Canadian Visitor]

Only good thing in Canada is fishing. But then, only two months of the year.

Perhaps you can share w/the group what kind of person comments on a non-inflammatory post, providing information on development in the Detroit area by randomly slagging another country for no good reason?

[Gistok]

Perhaps you can share w/the group what kind of person comments on a non-inflammatory post, providing information on development in the Detroit area by randomly slagging another country for no good reason?

Hey CV... just think of what comes out of his mouth as you would Sophia from the Golden Girls TV show... very old... doesn't mean to insult... but the words just come out...

[canuck]

Hey CV... just think of what comes out of his mouth as you would Sophia from the Golden Girls TV show... very old... doesn't mean to insult... but the words just come out...

But then Gistok, if you had just one place to choose to live in the Big beautiful USA, wouldn’t Las Vegas be your First choice?

PS: the fishing must be pretty damned good, too.

[401don]

Hey CV... just think of what comes out of his mouth as you would Sophia from the Golden Girls TV show... very old... doesn't mean to insult... but the words just come out...

Whenever I think of Ray these days I picture one of those grumpy little lawn gnomes sitting on the plastic grass in Nevada.
It was pretty funny watching Doug Ford's Conservative campaign bus roll up next to Trudeau at the press conference yesterday. Move over, buddy. I kicked in a few hundred million that we don't have for Stellantis too!

[Richard]

^ your money being used is representative of total reported investment,but you never really are presented with the actual costs of investment.

So if 3.5 billion pays the percentage of taxpayer input of $500 million and your true investment is 1 billion as a corporation you are building on 50c on the dollar,then minus the draw downs,tax write offs your are down to 40c on the dollar. Roughly speaking.

Ray made a comment about liberal policies the other day which opened up season on him,the pattern of target selection is hilarious,even more so when it comes from people that do the exact same thing they jump on others for.

Canada made a recent decision that did not portray them in the best light in the rest of the free world then instead of damage control,the justification doubled down.



Back to the article - it mentions that it provides relief for the ones that were crushed 10 years ago,what have they been doing for the past 10 years,living in a box?

Nobody sneezed at spending 5 billion in order to build a bridge based on the auto industry trade numbers,but if you notice all of these shifts with the auto industry is going into localized production and being self supported in that local.

They are saying it is for serving the Canadian market.

[canuck]

^ your money being used is representative of total reported investment,but you never really are presented with the actual costs of investment.

So if 3.5 billion pays the percentage of taxpayer input of $500 million and your true investment is 1 billion as a corporation you are building on 50c on the dollar,then minus the draw downs,tax write offs your are down to 40c on the dollar. Roughly speaking.

Ray made a comment about liberal policies the other day which opened up season on him,the pattern of target selection is hilarious,even more so when it comes from people that do the exact same thing they jump on others for.

Canada made a recent decision that did not portray them in the best light in the rest of the free world then instead of damage control,the justification doubled down.



Back to the article - it mentions that it provides relief for the ones that were crushed 10 years ago,what have they been doing for the past 10 years,living in a box?

Nobody sneezed at spending 5 billion in order to build a bridge based on the auto industry trade numbers,but if you notice all of these shifts with the auto industry is going into localized production and being self supported in that local.

They are saying it is for serving the Canadian market.

Well, from your point of view, the storming of your Capitol was tied to your First amendment rights. So, it’s no wonder you’re not opposed to truckers piling onto main street Ottawa.

OTOH, if some guy’s pickup blocks your driveway, you’ll go full Remington on him.

[Richard]

Well, from your point of view, the storming of your Capitol was tied to your First amendment rights. So, it’s no wonder you’re not opposed to truckers piling onto main street Ottawa.

OTOH, if some guy’s pickup blocks your driveway, you’ll go full Remington on him.

You are trying to crawl into my head with assumptions.

I will only ask this.

In the bigger picture the intelligence pointed to a country starting a war, that everybody is well aware of that it could escalate into a world war at any given second,that country does not have a history of occupation,it retains a puppet in place,a puppet government that maintains control over that population by any means necessary.

What message does it send and to whom,when another country that is considered to be a country that has democratic values,starts calling a group of others the same names that was used to justify war and to justify stripping every citizens of their rights at a moment’s notice,in order to prove who is in control of their population and is willing to do what ever means necessary to quell unrest and keep people under control.

It was that moment in time that Canada sent the message that if WW broke out they would capitulate before their cities were bombed.

It was who they sent that message to.

Events that happen are not moments in time based on a singular action.

Worker strikes put 18,000 out of a job in Atlantic city in 1 day forever.

Worker strikes have delayed the launch of the new model year for the auto makers up to 4 months costing them billions.

Trucks blocking commerce for a few weeks required that action like never in the history of Canada or even the U.S.?

You guys have 80 combat tanks,Russia has lost 1200 in 60 days and is showing no remorse in shooting civilians in the head,like Ukraine went from drinking coffee on the sidewalk cafe from 1 day to waking up with bombs raining down on them the next morning.

I would not be to quick to throw that Remington aside,as we speak there are millions that wish they had one to protect their family who is no longer with them.

Your guy was not only looking at a trucker strike in that moment in time,he was also looking at Russian territory being 2.5 miles from the U.S. border where they can easily rain conventional missiles within 200 miles of either border.

So he told the world,if the SHTF we are out of it,which kinda puts a dilemma of sorts on our northern states if Canada becomes a staging ground let alone a majority of our eastern states runs off of the Canadian grid where you could shut 1/4 of our country down with the flip of a switch rendering it useless.

That aside ,I wonder if that played a part in Stellantis decision,because world events are forcing countries to look at the whole globalization aspect and how supply chains are disrupted,so they are positioning to be self contained and supported in each market that they have a presence.

It’s kinda reverting back to the Ford days of being able to control all aspects of your production,which is actually a good thing,maybe the 3.5 billion actually includes production and manufacturing of the supporting materials needed to build the cars alongside.

Kinda like Detroit used to be before the days of purchasing everything offshore then assembling the vehicle locally,if that is the case it opens up a whole new world of opportunity and puts the manufacturing communities back on the top of the food chain.

Maybe it took a pandemic and the threat of a world war in order to shift that balance.

The prices we are seeing now is a lesson in what it would cost us to bring the manufacturing back to our communities,the difference is we are paying higher costs without realizing the salary increase benefits that would follow along with the transition back here,it would not seem like it is more expensive because the salaries would be adjusted to compensate for it.

Then we could stop importing tons of cheap plastic crap and glass bottle locally and paper bags that are reclaimed,so see it is entirely possible to raise our standard of living while saving the planet at the same time.

[canuck]

You lost me there at You…

[southen]

Can Richard just be given his own thread/blog/tab where he can espouse the same stuff over and over and it won't infect absolutely everything else? Something like Richard's Rightwing Roundtable...

[Richard]

You lost me there at You…

Of course I did,but know this,if Putin declares war in the 9th you will not be able to be playing off that oblivious lifestyle,because it opens justification to retaliate against those who support his opponents,all his little commy buddies will be running around Canada and the U.S. doing what ever it takes to sway the public against supporting his opponents,because we become his opponents.

Flying planes into towers is child’s play,I am sure you and others are actually looking forward to that and see it as a form of liberation after being trapped in the west for so long.

Just like the one posting it is a right wing thing,they do not give a damn if you are right wing,left wing,front, center,black or white,Democratic or Republican or progressive and they will steal your EV and ship it back home after shooting you.

At least you get 6 days to find out if the world as we know it changes like it has not in over 70 years.

Do you even have a plan B - remember how people acted when they could not get toilet paper,what would you do tomorrow if you woke up to no power,internet,cell phones,inability to use your bank cards,no way to go to the grocery store that are not able to open anyways.

We have experienced all of that from a simple hurricane,can you cook all of your meals outside on the bbq not dependent on propane?

You do not have to listen to me,but it would not hurt to stock up on some extra stuff that you would normally consume anyways.It’s those things that get you later when you say should have but to late now.