Sold our house. Moving away. The last straw...

[motorcity]

I'm not going to lie and say we weren't mulling a move, especially with work from home and our house being worth a lot more than we paid, but honestly the final straw was all the litter. We pick up litter and trash every single Saturday from sunrise until at least 11am throughout the neighborhood. Not even a day or two later, you can't even tell we just removed several Hefty bags full of trash. It's just so freakin' demoralizing. I can't stand the filth, I can't stand trifling people who litter at a bus stop when there's a trash can next to them, or throw bottles and soiled diapers out of their car when they drive by, or even neighbors who we witness dump out fast food bags and McDonald's cups when they park their cars. I'm sorry, it is not like this everywhere. Litter actually isn't this bad anywhere else. And local government does not care. So we're leaving. Goodbye Detroit.

[Seven&wyo]

Wow you grew up and became adults. You wonÂ’t be missed by anyone.

[Honky Tonk]

I'm not going to lie and say we weren't mulling a move, especially with work from home and our house being worth a lot more than we paid, but honestly the final straw was all the litter. We pick up litter and trash every single Saturday from sunrise until at least 11am throughout the neighborhood. Not even a day or two later, you can't even tell we just removed several Hefty bags full of trash. It's just so freakin' demoralizing. I can't stand the filth, I can't stand trifling people who litter at a bus stop when there's a trash can next to them, or throw bottles and soiled diapers out of their car when they drive by, or even neighbors who we witness dump out fast food bags and McDonald's cups when they park their cars. I'm sorry, it is not like this everywhere. Litter actually isn't this bad anywhere else. And local government does not care. So we're leaving. Goodbye Detroit.

I totally get where you're coming from. I look out my window at sunrise and see a field of freshly strewn fast food bags and assorted contents. Trash gets tossed out the windows [both sides] at traffic signals. You're right, I don't see this going on in areas outside the City. At least not to the extent that it goes on in Detroit. Trash cans? Those are for tagging or kicking over. Best of luck to you.

[DeLemur]

I agree. The trash problem has become unbearable. People want me to buy a 520K house with trash rolling in from Mack Avenue. No thanks. I have a lot of sympathy for poor people in Detroit but this is one of their habits that pisses the shit out if me. Take your dirty temporary idiocy somewhere else. Throw your trash away.

[Danny]

I'm not going to lie and say we weren't mulling a move, especially with work from home and our house being worth a lot more than we paid, but honestly the final straw was all the litter. We pick up litter and trash every single Saturday from sunrise until at least 11am throughout the neighborhood. Not even a day or two later, you can't even tell we just removed several Hefty bags full of trash. It's just so freakin' demoralizing. I can't stand the filth, I can't stand trifling people who litter at a bus stop when there's a trash can next to them, or throw bottles and soiled diapers out of their car when they drive by, or even neighbors who we witness dump out fast food bags and McDonald's cups when they park their cars. I'm sorry, it is not like this everywhere. Litter actually isn't this bad anywhere else. And local government does not care. So we're leaving. Goodbye Detroit.

What a way to bash our Great City of Detroit. Just don't spill it to this board. There are people living in the burbs and outside the State. And they don't bash Detroit, the city that they once grew up from good times and the bad. Have a nice life, too. By the way I love the stink the of streets in the ghetto hoods of Detroit. I even love the smell of it. Detroit is my hometown born and raised safe and dangerous.

[Satiricalivory]

k, bye.

[313WX]

I'm not going to lie and say we weren't mulling a move, especially with work from home and our house being worth a lot more than we paid, but honestly the final straw was all the litter. We pick up litter and trash every single Saturday from sunrise until at least 11am throughout the neighborhood. Not even a day or two later, you can't even tell we just removed several Hefty bags full of trash. It's just so freakin' demoralizing. I can't stand the filth, I can't stand trifling people who litter at a bus stop when there's a trash can next to them, or throw bottles and soiled diapers out of their car when they drive by, or even neighbors who we witness dump out fast food bags and McDonald's cups when they park their cars. I'm sorry, it is not like this everywhere. Litter actually isn't this bad anywhere else. And local government does not care. So we're leaving. Goodbye Detroit.

Have you decided on where you're moving to?

If so, where is that?

[night-timer]

Where are you moving to?

Is the move prompted by more than just litter-bugs, really?

[royce]

I wish you the best, Motorcity. I understand the frustration. My house is the sixth house from the corner, if the other five houses were still there. Every trash day I put out my can and proceed to take a garbage bag and pick up trash from the corner all the way back to my house. Items picked up include: beer bottles [[Modelo quiet frequently), tequila bottles [[Patron), fast food items like bags and especially pop containers, water bottles [[with some water still in them), cigar and cigarette boxes, and styrofoam containers, typically from Coney Island restaurants.

If there's a justification for throwing things out of a car, then I might understand why things are thrown out at the corner. The car is stopped at a stop sign and you don't want to keep the trash in the car. What I'm seeing now is stuffed being thrown out in front of my house. Again, I'm in the sixth house from the corner. No car should be stopping in front of my house unless they have business with me. So, how in the hell is trash like a bag with styrofoam containers in the street in front of my house? Did the car stop and people threw the trash out or are they throwing it out on the fly?

Trying to figure out the reasoning why people throw trash out of a car is simply mind-blowing. I mean, "Aren't the people going to a location, like home or a friend's house, where there will be a trash can?" Rarely have I ever got food when heading to the movies, the bar, or an event. Those places usually have food. If I'm coming home from somewhere and I'm hungry, I stop at a food joint and then make my way home to eat it. And if I get so hungry that I start killing those McDonald's fries before I get home, the empty container just goes back in the bag with the other food items. And what's so difficult in keeping a few plastic grocer bags in the car to put trash in? I keep one hooked to my gear box.

Sometimes I think the littering in and around my house is done on purpose. People see me picking up trash and then must think I'm the trash guy so they just say to themselves, "Hey, let's throw out our trash here. That guy who's always picking up trash will pick it up."

I've tried to think of solutions to the problem, but they're rather drastic and I could end up in jail. The one thing I wish I could do is follow the culprits home and then late at night dump a large pile of trash in their front yard. The problem is they might go there but I'd find out later that they didn't live there.

But seriously, the litter in Detroit is a real problem. How do you change the "culture?" The thing is it's not just young folks. I've seen people over 50 doing the same thing. I guess we have to let out voices be heard at city-council. Maybe the district council person can make some headway with convincing people not to litter. Again, good luck, Motorcity.

[motorcity]

I wish you the best, Motorcity. I understand the frustration. My house is the sixth house from the corner, if the other five houses were still there. Every trash day I put out my can and proceed to take a garbage bag and pick up trash from the corner all the way back to my house. Items picked up include: beer bottles [[Modelo quiet frequently), tequila bottles [[Patron), fast food items like bags and especially pop containers, water bottles [[with some water still in them), cigar and cigarette boxes, and styrofoam containers, typically from Coney Island restaurants.

Sometimes I think the littering in and around my house is done on purpose. People see me picking up trash and then must think I'm the trash guy so they just say to themselves, "Hey, let's throw out our trash here. That guy who's always picking up trash will pick it up."

You nailed it. I don't think it's a conscious 'oh, they'll pick it up,' it's wicked trifling folks who consciously get off on trashing us and everything in their orbit. It is deliberate animosity. That's why we did all the litter clean-ups at the crack of dawn, to avoid additional attention and animosity. Folks have thrown their trash out the car window at us on more than one occasion. Enough is enough. We're moving out of the region entirely, but just as an example, folks in Birmingham and Franklin ain't living like this. Folks in Oakland Township and Grosse Point Shores can't collect Hefty bags of litter and trash every time they walk their dog. It's disgusting and it never ends in Detroit. And even after receiving that $880 million boatload from the feds, Duggan's admin does not care to spend it on cleaning up the city. It'll all be embezzled by the bureaucracy and Detroit outside of the casinos and a small slice of downtown will still look like the same garbage dump.

[Zacha341]

I wish you the best in your relocation MC. Everyone has their point of end with a given situation - where you say ENOUGH. I get that for certain.

I would agree it seems to be a 'mentality' regarding the trash. I wonder what some of the trash expellers homes look like? Our property is near a busy corner so we get our share of trash! I'll see people just throw stuff right out their windows while driving or exiting the freeway ramps [where it often collects]. And wonder why the city looks as is does?

No wait! That assumes any 'wonder'? Or care - apparently absent.

My parents were adamant against littering. I did the same. This a form of blindness and loathing. Apparently increasing in some areas.

[Scottathew]

Good luck, Motorcity.

I wish you the best, Motorcity. I understand the frustration. My house is the sixth house from the corner, if the other five houses were still there. Every trash day I put out my can and proceed to take a garbage bag and pick up trash from the corner all the way back to my house. Items picked up include: beer bottles [[Modelo quiet frequently), tequila bottles [[Patron), fast food items like bags and especially pop containers, water bottles [[with some water still in them), cigar and cigarette boxes, and styrofoam containers, typically from Coney Island restaurants.

I live in a suburb and trash is a problem, but I've very rarely seen it done on purpose. Usually its neighbors that didn't secure their trash well enough on trash day.

I take Royce's approach. I always keep my own property clean. If I see trash on the ground and I can see a trash can to put it in, I make it happen.

I'm not sure of the psychology that goes into littering. I grew up in a house where littering, on purpose or by accident, was a really bad thing. My kids have been taught the same thing. In Detroit I'm sure the poverty, crime, poor education, and a government that has decades of history of inequality contributes to an environment where people just don't care.

[Henry Whalley]

In old Hamtramck the streets, sidewalks, porches, and alleys were spotless. And everybody took a bath on Saturday.

[jcole]

In old Hamtramck and the old SW, the bucia's were out washing and sweeping their sidewalks at 7am. And hosing down what driveways there were.

[oladub]

I lived in a rural area along 3/8 mile of lightly travelled highway. The trash wasn't too bad. After the Spring snow melted, I would pick up about 3 garbage bags of fast food containers, empty plastic containers and other trash and a bag of aluminum pop and beer cans. What puzzled me though was the amount of 'Busch Light' beer cans I would find in the vicinity of my house. I imagined that someone had a can of Busch Light every day after work and finished it in about the same place while driving along the highway. I never did figure out who was tossing them but it went on for decades.

My nemesis.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

What a way to bash our Great City of Detroit. Just don't spill it to this board. There are people living in the burbs and outside the State. And they don't bash Detroit, the city that they once grew up from good times and the bad. Have a nice life, too. By the way I love the stink the of streets in the ghetto hoods of Detroit. I even love the smell of it. Detroit is my hometown born and raised safe and dangerous.

What a lame response ! I totally get where he's coming from, and he's not bashing the city. The people that live there should take pride in keeping their neighborhood clean. People just don't give a shit anymore. When I was a kid back in the early to mid 60's , I remember all city streets were kept clean by sweeping them at least once a week. ALL streets. You never saw trash throwed along the freeways, like there is now. Those days are long gone. All of a sudden, the city claimed it wasn't in the budget anymore to keep the city streets clean, so they eventually eliminated it. Good luck MC where ever you're going. I probably should have flew the coop myself years ago, but I'm too old now.

[JonWylie]

All of a sudden, the city claimed it wasn't in the budget anymore to keep the city streets clean, so they eventually eliminated it.

Well it wasn't exactly all of a sudden, the city lost like half it's tax base.

[djtomt]

Litter in the city is a HUGE problem that goes underreported, sadly because I think everyone has gotten used to it, which is not good.

I ride my bike everywhere when the weather is nice. There is SO MUCH TRASH in these streets. The Duggan administration needs to address this. I remember Kwame's annual spring clean ups, I don't think they happen any more.

This is absolutely a quality of life issue that needs to be rectified asap. It's a shame.

[Jerry Van]

Well it wasn't exactly all of a sudden, the city lost like half it's tax base.

Don't blame the City or the tax base. Blame the pigs who throw their garbage out the window. It's not the City's responsibility to pick up after these people anymore than it is MC's!

[Satiricalivory]

Not everybody forgetting that this post is made by the insane troll and taking this thread seriously. Holy shit how were you never banned? You just went dark? Just to come back and post this crap? Dyes mods, WTF??

You never lived in the city, this whole thing is fake lol.

[Gistok]

^ I agree about the OPs past comments as being unhelpful. But as far as this topic goes... he/she is spot on. There are a lot of people in the city that like to propagate the litter squalor...

[Meddle]

Post 20 needs to look in the mirror.

[Jimaz]

I can think of a lot of hypothetical reasons to move but litter wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list unless it caused some other problem like a health risk or perpetual stink, etc.

Trying to imagine how deep the litter would have to be to make me want to move, I came up with the comedic vision of trying to maneuver a car through 6-foot litter drifts. Yeah maybe that would get annoying.

The International Tidy Man

[313WX]

Post 20 needs to look in the mirror.

Indeed....

[jcole]

The OP just joined yesterday and this was his first and only post, so, while it's a bit weird that you would join just to post this, it could be a new and different poster than you think it is. The handle "motorcity" isn't exactly original in Detroit

Not everybody forgetting that this post is made by the insane troll and taking this thread seriously. Holy shit how were you never banned? You just went dark? Just to come back and post this crap? Dyes mods, WTF??

You never lived in the city, this whole thing is fake lol.