East English Village Developments

**takascar** · January-13-21, 01:15 PM

Any information on developments in East English Village?

I used to live on Bedford a couple of blocks south of Warren.

There is a building on the southwest corner of E. Warren and Bedford that has been abandoned since the mid 1970's. [[16134 E. Warren). It used to be a doctor's office. One day, they bricked up all of the windows and doors, put plywood over them, painted them and left it that way. I was always curious why someone would go through all that trouble before walking away. The building is on the city's demolition list as it [[and the adjoining building) have no roof anymore and trees are growing INSIDE of it - talk about ruin porn!

Also, will people stop calling that area Morningside? All areas where most of the streets are named after English shires ar part of East English Village. EEV is bounded by Alter, I-94, Moross, Mack and back to Alter - always was when I was living there. Last time I checked, Bedford, Kensington, Devonshire, Buckingham, Barham, Chatsworth and Berkshire are all English shires/towns, so they are in EEV.

**313WX** · January-13-21, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by takascar

Also, will people stop calling that area Morningside?.

No, because it's Morningside and not EEV, for the same reason that Sherwood Forest is distinct from Green Acres.

Besides, I think the distinction is especially important now since Morningside has seen a massive decline over the past 1-2 decades. All of the blocks west of Audubon to Somerset, that were once indistinguishable from EEV, are now lined with abandoned homes and vacant lots.

**Zacha341** · January-13-21, 02:28 PM

^^^ Yep. These distinctions are note worthy, and Morningside is not EEV.

**Gistok** · January-13-21, 03:27 PM

And the area from Cadieux to Moross [[from Mack to I-94) used to be known as O.N.E [[Organized Neighbors East), which was a poor choice of names, and in the present millennium they followed up on EEV and used an English sounding name... "Cornerstone Village". Although the housing stock is not as nice as EEV and Morningside... it's still intact. Above E. Warren Cornerstone Village is mostly brick bungalows, below it, mostly small wooden cottages.

**ct_alum** · January-14-21, 01:23 PM

I have lived in EEV since 2001 and am under the impression that it stops at Outer Drive, not Alter. I-94 to Mack, Moross to Outer Drive.

**DetroitSoldier** · January-14-21, 02:09 PM

The housing density and higher income [[relative to the rest of the E. Warren corridor) makes commercial development in EEV a no brainer. However the commercial building stock is not as strong between Outer Dr and Cadieux as in Morningside and even parts of Cornerstone Village. I think that is why the E. Warren-Cadieux Neighborhood Plan is critical. Identifying ways to tie new developments into the pockets of existing retail, all while keeping an eye on other quality of life improvements in the corridor is not a simple task.

https://detroitmi.gov/departments/pl...ghborhood-plan

One off developments are fine, but without a practical systemic plan for overhauling the commercial area from Alter to Mack, one off plans will not do much to spur others to develop in the area. As an EEV resident living less than a block off Warren, I can count on my two hands the number of times I have utilized businesses between Outer Dr and Cadieux. It's not that I don't want to patronize them, it's just that the offerings are not diverse enough.

**Gistok** · January-14-21, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by ct_alum

I have lived in EEV since 2001 and am under the impression that it stops at Outer Drive, not Alter. I-94 to Mack, Moross to Outer Drive.

Nope... EEV goes from Cadieux to Audobon. My family lived near Balduck park for decades, and that area was called O.N.E., until later changed to Cornerstone Village.

**MrMichigan** · January-14-21, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Gistok

Nope... EEV goes from Cadieux to Audobon. My family lived near Balduck park for decades, and that area was called O.N.E., until later changed to Cornerstone Village.

Technically, EEV is Harper to Mack and Outer Drive to Cadieux.

Edit: I live here, solid neighborhood if anyone is looking!

**DeLemur** · January-14-21, 07:59 PM

What a great neighborhood. Loved growing up there. Was happily surprised with the energy when I visited it about a year ago.

**ct_alum** · January-15-21, 07:17 AM

Correct, I don't know what I was thinking - Major brain fade..............sorry about that!

**Kathleen** · January-15-21, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by 313WX

Besides, I think the distinction is especially important now since Morningside has seen a massive decline over the past 1-2 decades. All of the blocks west of Audubon to Somerset, that were once indistinguishable from EEV, are now lined with abandoned homes and vacant lots.

I grew up on Three Mile Drive between Warren and Mack. Each visit back to see the old homestead is heartbreaking...with houses that I remember so well sitting abandoned or no longer there. But I am heartened to see the empty lots being replaced with parks and community gardens. And I dream of some of those empty lots being replaced with new housing someday!

**Kathleen** · January-15-21, 09:01 AM

In 1978, our family moved into Grandma's house on Whittier between Chandler Park Drive and Harper. And I became involved with the neighborhood organization DEAR [[Detroit East Area Residents), one of the many such groups popping up at the time. I remember DARE, NEAR, and ONE were groups in the adjacent neighborhoods. This was, of course, before the neighborhoods were named as we know them today.

What's the situation with neighborhood groups in this area today?

**DetroitSoldier** · January-15-21, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kathleen

In 1978, our family moved into Grandma's house on Whittier between Chandler Park Drive and Harper. And I became involved with the neighborhood organization DEAR [[Detroit East Area Residents), one of the many such groups popping up at the time. I remember DARE, NEAR, and ONE were groups in the adjacent neighborhoods. This was, of course, before the neighborhoods were named as we know them today.

What's the situation with neighborhood groups in this area today?

During non-Covid times, there is quite a bit of residential engagement in organizations working to grow investment in the area. I lived in Morningside for two years back in the 00's and while the area went down hill a bit in that time, there were quite a few people working together to keep there area looking as good as it could. Now I live in East English Village and I can tell you that things are quite a bit more organized. The neighborhood association is very active and has quite a few talented and well connected people keeping our voices heard at city hall and with local utilities.

Here are a few groups doing good work on the far east side:

MECCA - https://www.meccadc.org/
E. Warren Development Corp. - https://ewarren.org/
Friends of the Alger Theater - https://www.algertheater.org/

**p69rrh51** · January-17-21, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by Gistok

And the area from Cadieux to Moross [[from Mack to I-94) used to be known as O.N.E [[Organized Neighbors East), which was a poor choice of names, and in the present millennium they followed up on EEV and used an English sounding name... "Cornerstone Village". Although the housing stock is not as nice as EEV and Morningside... it's still intact. Above E. Warren Cornerstone Village is mostly brick bungalows, below it, mostly small wooden cottages.

For those who grew up very close to Mack Ave. Canyon, Chandler Park and Moross it was known as Copper Canyon. Mostly due to the city employees that once resided in the area.

**Kathleen** · January-18-21, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by DetroitSoldier

During non-Covid times, there is quite a bit of residential engagement in organizations working to grow investment in the area. I lived in Morningside for two years back in the 00's and while the area went down hill a bit in that time, there were quite a few people working together to keep there area looking as good as it could. Now I live in East English Village and I can tell you that things are quite a bit more organized. The neighborhood association is very active and has quite a few talented and well connected people keeping our voices heard at city hall and with local utilities.

Here are a few groups doing good work on the far east side:

MECCA - https://www.meccadc.org/
E. Warren Development Corp. - https://ewarren.org/
Friends of the Alger Theater - https://www.algertheater.org/

Thanks for the info! Happy to see that there are organized efforts to keep the neighborhoods alive and safe. I remember the East Warren Businessman's Association as being very involved. And I know that evolved into a group called CEMBA which I can't determine if they are still active or were subsumed into another organization. I have fond memories of the Alger Theater as it was the first movie theater where I went to a Saturday afternoon matinee on my own.

**oladub** · January-18-21, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Kathleen

I grew up on Three Mile Drive between Warren and Mack. Each visit back to see the old homestead is heartbreaking...with houses that I remember so well sitting abandoned or no longer there. But I am heartened to see the empty lots being replaced with parks and community gardens. And I dream of some of those empty lots being replaced with new housing someday!

I grew up between Munich and Waveney. The house my grandfather built that I lived in was the first on the block in 1929 and still stands. Those were really nice brick houses that would be expensive to replicate today. Mostly German descent families there then. Lots of elm trees forming green tunnels then.

**Kathleen** · January-18-21, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

I grew up between Munich and Waveney. The house my grandfather built that I lived in was the first on the block in 1929 and still stands. Those were really nice brick houses that would be expensive to replicate today. Mostly German descent families there then. Lots of elm trees forming green tunnels then.

Oladub: I lived between Waveney and Bremen from 1961 to 1978.
East side of the street. Our house was a sturdy 3-story brick house with a full basement and an open attic space. Lots of room for 5 kids! We had many families with kids on our block. I also knew several families who lived on your block, including the Tonello, Connelly, Dingwall, Guillaumin, Dougherty, and Pollard families.

**takascar** · February-04-21, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Kathleen

I grew up on Three Mile Drive between Warren and Mack. Each visit back to see the old homestead is heartbreaking...with houses that I remember so well sitting abandoned or no longer there. But I am heartened to see the empty lots being replaced with parks and community gardens. And I dream of some of those empty lots being replaced with new housing someday!

Grew up the same place except on Bedford. The problem with Three Mile Drive is the housing stock was more wood frame vs brick. Courville wasn't that way and Bedford west till you got to Wayburn / Barham was more brick. Three Mile was always the "ugly duckling" of the streets and it shows now - with the most empty lots of all streets around there.