Wall Street Journal commentary praising Craig and Duggan

[CassTechGrad]

The Wall Street Journal wrote a commentary yesterday regarding the resignation of black police chiefs in many progressive cities across the country that are being plagues by protests and riots. The reasons for this was lack of support by the mayors. They gave praise to Detroit and to Craig and Duggan for working together. I agree.

[Maof]

Agree. Craig is doing a great job.

[Meddle]

The first quoted paragraph is crap.

There is an effort to stop police violence. There is no 'progressive offensive against cops'.

[oladub]

How Detroit's Police Chief Saved His City from Black Lives Matter

Another article especially praising Chief James Craig for standing up to Detroit Will Breathe and not tolerating the level of vandalism and destruction that some other cities have."Chief Craig didn't blink. The reason he could say "nothing has changed" is that what U.S. District Judge Laurie J. Michelson's order requires of his officers "is no different than what we've always done" and even '"reinforces' the department's policy." For him, the lawsuit amounts to just "another example of the perpetual false narrative" of systemic police misconduct. His officers don't use force with peaceful protesters, he says, but "f someone is resisting arrest, or trying to attack our officers, we will use the force that's both reasonable and necessary to overcome the resistance.""

Representative Tliab, of course, is trying to undermine Chief Craig and Mayor Dugan's relatively successful effort at stemming violence. "Rashida Tlaib and three other politicians released a letter demanding more investigations into Detroit's policing and accusing Craig of having "a dismissive attitude of the movement for racial justice" [[that is, dismissive of Black Lives Matter). On Thursday, representatives from more than 35 "grassroots community organizations," including the Democrat Socialists of America and the Motor City Street Dance Academy [[!), announced their demand for Craig's resignation."

[Henry Whalley]

There is an effort to stop police violence. There is no 'progressive offensive against cops'.

Yeah, and BLM shouldn't be controversial. But Rupert Murdoch's WSJ is low-brow propaganda.

[Seven&wyo]

How Detroit's Police Chief Saved His City from Black Lives Matter

Another article especially praising Chief James Craig for standing up to Detroit Will Breathe and not tolerating the level of vandalism and destruction that some other cities have."Chief Craig didn't blink. The reason he could say "nothing has changed" is that what U.S. District Judge Laurie J. Michelson's order requires of his officers "is no different than what we've always done" and even '"reinforces' the department's policy." For him, the lawsuit amounts to just "another example of the perpetual false narrative" of systemic police misconduct. His officers don't use force with peaceful protesters, he says, but "f someone is resisting arrest, or trying to attack our officers, we will use the force that's both reasonable and necessary to overcome the resistance.""

Representative Tliab, of course, is trying to undermine Chief Craig and Mayor Dugan's relatively successful effort at stemming violence. "Rashida Tlaib and three other politicians released a letter demanding more investigations into Detroit's policing and accusing Craig of having "a dismissive attitude of the movement for racial justice" [[that is, dismissive of Black Lives Matter). On Thursday, representatives from more than 35 "grassroots community organizations," including the Democrat Socialists of America and the Motor City Street Dance Academy [[!), announced their demand for Craig's resignation."

Has Tlaib ever done anything for her district? Or has she just spouted the same platitudes over and over again?

[JonWylie]

Has Tlaib ever done anything for her district? Or has she just spouted the same platitudes over and over again?

Here's a list of bills shes sponsored or co-sponsored.

I feel like I hear this type of attack on US Reps a lot and I feel like people have a slightly skewed view of what your are voting for when you pick a US rep. The point is so that a certain area can pick someone to represent them in the national government. In this sense, Tlaib's job isn't to do things for her district, but to represent their views on a national level, which many would argue that she's done, especially after winning her second term by a good amount with some heavy competition. Of course you would like your US rep to push for things in your district, but a lot of what she does will have no immediate impact on that area because she's serving in the national government.

That's why we have state and local governments, because it's impossible for the national government to give individual attention to every single district. I would say if you don't live in her district, you probably don't have a good sense for what the people who live there and vote there want, and whether or not they are satisfied with what she's doing.

There are plenty of US Reps who I would never vote for and I can't image how they got elected, but I don't live in their district so I have no clue what the people there are like. So if they keep getting re-elected, they must be popular.

Then comes the fact that you have Dugan who is elected by a lot of the same people who elected Tlaib. Remarkably, people have complex needs and different people in different positions serve those needs. It's not impossible to appreciate the work Dugan and Craig have done with regards to public services, but also appreciate the work that Tlaib does with regards to her voice in the fight for equality and racial justice. And of course Tlaib gets name dropped because she's higher profile and more controversial, but other popular politicians in the MI House and City Council have joined her in requesting changes on how force is handled in the cities police force. Hopefully those four, along with Dugan and Craig, can find a way to compromise that won't jeopardize public safety, but will insure people are not unfairly treated when confronted with police.

[Dumpling]

Nice post.

[intelligentBeing]

James Craig has my full support. We are blessed to have him in Detroit. Maybe a mayor run down the road? Love his no nonsense approach. Great post.

[K-slice]

I agree, in cities out West and Atlanta you see a chief trying to maintain order in the streets why the mayor cries crocodile tears when a protester who won't move after being told to gets moved by an officer. Craig and Duggan's united front has so far ensured we won't see that level of disorder here.

Talib is a hack and I hope we get a decent contender to run against her in future. She feeds off socioeconomic division and continues to use her office to push that narrative.

[CassTechGrad]

The first quoted paragraph is crap.

There is an effort to stop police violence. There is no 'progressive offensive against cops'.

These two cops may disagree with you about that.

[leapfrog]

These two cops may disagree with you about that.

And BLM wouldn't have a reason to exist if law enforcement would call an end to open season on people [[particularly men) of color.

[Seven&wyo]

And BLM wouldn't have a reason to exist if law enforcement would call an end to open season on people [[particularly men) of color.

Open season? Yeah that's not hyperbole at all...

[Henry Whalley]

I agree that Craig is doing a great job. I can’t remember the last time that DPD had good a good leader.

[DeLemur]

Why is Craig doing a great job? I find his arrogance disturbing while he's been Police Chief for [[6 years?) of those most violent cities in the country. The guy is visibly arrogant in the Board of Police Commissioners meetings.

Outside the downtown area I don't find Detroit to be any bit safer. The morale of Officers is shit. We still have more officers on patrol during the day than at night. DPD never pulls anyone over, so we have crazy drivers everywhere. We still train all sorts of Officers who then leave DPD after 6 months or so for other Departments [[thus a subsidy to other forces).

Then, the guy is using Facial Recognition software without the blessings of anyone for 3 years. Gets his people to say they're only going after rapists when the language was clear that they could use it on anyone who might have information about a crime.

Then it takes 5 years for him to uncover his entire drug unit is corrupt?
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...it/4398321002/

Really, tell me why this guy is great?

[Henry Whalley]

For one thing, the city doesn’t have gratuitous extra-judicial killings and beatings unlike so many other cities.

[DeLemur]

For one thing, the city doesn’t have gratuitous extra-judicial killings and beatings unlike so many other cities.

DPD was under federal oversight from 2003 -2016 for excessive force towards and killings of civilians and suspects. The credit goes to them for cleaning that up. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ms/5320917002/

[Henry Whalley]

DPD was under federal oversight from 2003 -2016 for excessive force towards and killings of civilians and suspects.

So thank heavens for federal oversight.

[softailrider]

I think Chief Craig has done a very good job. To me, the neighborhoods seem to be somewhat more secure. I’m don’t think I’m seeing as many open air drug markets as I used to see in the past.

I never could get Past Chief Craig’s claim that he was a victim of an
attempted carjacking about an hour after he first came to town. It has always struck me as being disingenuous.

[CassTechGrad]

Look around, how many other big city mayors and police chiefs are getting complements from any source weather it be the right or the left.

[preserve]

Been a resident of Detroit over 70 yrs and I think James Craig is doing a
good job and deserves the recognition. We've had some doozies in the past and Craig outshines all of them.

[DeLemur]

It is a low bar right? At least he didn't oversee 12,000 untested rape kits. Hell those Chiefs should do time for that.
He doesn't do it for me. Too much ego for the little improvement in safety. Emphasis on little.

Been a resident of Detroit over 70 yrs and I think James Craig is doing a
good job and deserves the recognition. We've had some doozies in the past and Craig outshines all of them.

[Wesley Mouch]

So thank heavens for federal oversight.

+1

BLM is schizophrenic. Wants Black Lives to Matter. Actually Harms Black Lives in practice.

Most Black neighborhoods want more, better policing. Not less, worse policing -- which is the legacy of BLM.

[Zacha341]

^^^ Yep. BLM [[as a political movement) has become so hijacked from its original intent that the interests of black americans is no longer paramount.

Additionally, [[and interestingly) some radical whites are also forcefully pushing the adherence to BLM at a gestapo level [[beyond a yard or window sign)! It has to be 'tight' to be white [[and not racist) in the midst of this - were any dissonance renders you a card carrying racist ku-kluxer-Trump adherent to boot! Who'll be deemed to be without sin or some historical taint? What if your aunt was racist? Oh well.... What's end game here?

I mention this NOT because I think racism and police misconduct does not exist. But I know broad-brush stereotyping when I see it and a broader purpose afoot! Thankfully, for the most part I just look on a black woman, but it is SO clear that the social marxists [[most who are white) have another agenda, broader, and are more happy to use the issue of race to serve their ends.

Unlike far-left cities where the SJWs extremists rule, Most Detroiter's [[where we have a large black pop) KNOW full well that more than a few who've committed violent crimes need to REMAIN incarcerated. Further, we also KNOW that disbanding police would only increase violent, heinous crime - forcing citizens to take up arms at a higher level to repress increased criminal activities.

All of that against a backdrop of these same social marxist bring-it-all-down extremists who want to disarm citizens! Conflating gun ownership to an NRA prospect. Decrying guns while their 'rich' elite continue with their armed guards and their nice gated communities. While the cities are rendered uninhabitable.

So once again we [[black people) find ourselves 'handled' for our own good [[again by those who claiming to champion our cause). Further misrepresented by those ignoring the true needs of varied races and views of citizens in the city of Detroit and beyond not so readily signing on. Yeah ok.

[DeLemur]

Zacha,

The idea behind defund, is that you have other/new groups respond to problems in neighborhoods. IE: Domestic violence - brings therapists over police. IE: Austistic kid acting up - brings medical professionals over police. Serious crimes and assaults still are handled by police.

It is clear the Police don't have the nuance to de-escalate situations, as its been 6 years since Eric Garner was choked to death and many black men killed by cops for resisting arrest or even less. Does this vision make sense? How do people who see the world in only two ways, understand a more crafted response to conflict in the city?

Personally I've hated then "defund the Police" statement because it doesn't show the real focus. I also dislike the unfocused level of demands from Detroit Will Breath, but beyond that it is a worthy issue to consider IMO.

Free Press did an expose on the protesters. I don't find these folks to necessarily be hijackers of the original intent.

https://www.freep.com/in-depth/news/...yd/3450280001/

^^^ Yep. BLM [[as a political movement) has become so hy-jacked from its original intent that the interests of black americans is no longer paramount.

Additionally, [[and interestingly) some radical whites are also forcefully pushing the adherence to BLM at a gestapo level [[beyond a yard or window sign)! It has to be 'tight' to be white [[and not racist) in the midst of this - were any dissonance renders you a card carrying racist ku-kluxer-Trump adherent to boot! Who'll be deemed to be without sin or some historical taint? What if your aunt was racist? Oh well.... What's end game here?

I mention this NOT because I think racism and police misconduct does not exist. But I know broad-brush stereotyping when I see it and a broader purpose afoot! Thankfully, for the most part I just look on a black woman, but it is SO clear that the social marxists [[most who are white) have another agenda, broader, and are more happy to use the issue of race to serve their ends.

Unlike far-left cities where the SJWs extremists rule, Most Detroiter's [[where we have a large black pop) KNOW full well that more than a few who've committed violent crimes need to REMAIN incarcerated. Further, we also KNOW that disbanding police would only increase violent, heinous crime - forcing citizens to take up arms at a higher level to repress increased criminal activities.

All of that against a backdrop of these same social marxist bring-it-all-down extremists who want to disarm citizens! Conflating gun ownership to an NRA prospect. Decrying guns while their 'rich' elite continue with their armed guards and their nice gated communities. While the cities are rendered uninhabitable.

So once again we [[black people) find ourselves 'handled' for our own good [[again by those who claiming to champion our cause). Further misrepresented by those ignoring the true needs of varied races and views of citizens in the city of Detroit and beyond not so readily signing on. Yeah ok.