The far right's un-American values

[oladub]

jiminnm, Perhaps so. I know that the Supreme Court once refused to hear the case so the draft was allowed to continue during the Vietnam War. If the Supreme Court said that black was white, that 2+2=5 or that the Emperor had a great set of clothes, that would be the law of the land or at least until there were justices on the court who could collate the dictionary with the Constitution.

Two words "Involuntary" and "Servitude". Their dictionary meanings are not complicated. Combine that with the 13th Amendment. There are a lot of things that the Court has to rule on because the Constitution is vague or seems to contradict itself. This is not one of those situations.

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

[ccbatson]

I must commend UFO for being honest....horribly wrong, but honest.

[UFO]

I must commend UFO for being honest....horribly wrong, but honest.

how so babe?

[ccbatson]

You haven't learned that contrary to your opinion, socialism is the scourge of the modern world?

[UFO]

You haven't learned that contrary to your opinion, socialism is the scourge of the modern world?

sure all out socialism is. Not the socialist democracy we have had since our nations inception.

Im not advocating all out socialism, just expansion of our existing socialistic policies in place already to help aleviate unecessary suffering our people endure

[ccbatson]

Socialism is not something that occurs a little bit...if it starts as a smaller facet, it will grow over time. See Ayn Rand's descriptions of "mixed economies".

That aside...Obama is certainly not after "a little bit of socialism".

[UFO]

Socialism is not something that occurs a little bit...if it starts as a smaller facet, it will grow over time. See Ayn Rand's descriptions of "mixed economies".

That aside...Obama is certainly not after "a little bit of socialism".

Whether you want to admit it or not, we are a mixed economy and have always been.

No he is not, but if he were to just set right what we have now in the form of ore taxes and strict regulation the people would be happy with that.

It would help cure our problems.

[Detroitej72]

You haven't learned that contrary to your opinion, socialism is the scourge of the modern world?

Yeah, Europe is such a scourge to the world.

Capitalist's long for the days of old, when peasants worked and could be killed at will by their lords, all for little or no wages.

[ccbatson]

Have been, yes...must be? no.

[jiminnm]

In a perfect world, perhaps, oladub. But I think we must have a final arbiter of what is consitutional, and that is the Supreme Court. We can personally agree or disagree with their decision [[take Roe v. Wade for example), but it is important that we accept their decision as the law because we live in a system of laws. If we do not accept their decision as law, I expect things would be somewhat more chaotic than they are.

The number of cases that have been overturned by the USSC is actually incredibly small, so the presumption should be that the decision will stand, rather than it will not. By the way, the case I cited is from WW1, now more than 90 years old.

[ccbatson]

So long as strict constitutionalists are the majority on the court. If that tips the other direction, all bets are off.

[elganned]

Socialism is not something that occurs a little bit...if it starts as a smaller facet, it will grow over time. See Ayn Rand's descriptions of "mixed economies".

That aside...Obama is certainly not after "a little bit of socialism".

Bats, you remind me of Cato the Elder: "Obama delenda est", regardless of the topic under discussion.