Oh, Canada...

[Honky Tonk]

Canada Defends It's Borders Against Illegal Aliens!


https://www.yahoo.com/news/william-s...163753261.html

[Richard]

I am surprised that they have not banned guns in movies yet in Canada,in order to keep the brainwashed population from being traumatized by seeing one.

Do they even let kids play cowboys and Indians or cops n robbers with cap guns anymore?

They are more afraid of a Star Wars costume then an actual real life terrorist that they feed cake and ice cream to.

[JBMcB]

I am surprised that they have not banned guns in movies yet in Canada,in order to keep the brainwashed population from being traumatized by seeing one.

In the "assault weapons ban," the extensive list includes line item z. 117 Black Rifle Company BRC15B. The full name of the company is the Black Rifle Coffee Company. They make coffee. I'm not sure what product code BRC15B is, but it's most likely coffee.

[Honky Tonk]

In the "assault weapons ban," the extensive list includes line item z. 117 Black Rifle Company BRC15B. The full name of the company is the Black Rifle Coffee Company. They make coffee. I'm not sure what product code BRC15B is, but it's most likely coffee.

I think true-d'oh! overreacted a bit, eh? Sorta like the cops in the video.

https://defconnews.com/2020/05/07/in...offee-company/

[Canadian Visitor]

The decision by the Trudeau gov't on 'assault rifles' is broadly popular w/the electorate.

http://angusreid.org/assault-weapons-ban/ 80% support

To be clear, it will be mostly ineffectual when it comes to gun crime, the majority of which involves hand guns.

This was about symbolism more than substance, though will likely have a very small positive effect at the margins.

That said, I can tell you several more gun control actions are on the way; including tackling smuggling from the U.S., gun storage laws, a red-flag law and more.

But Canadian polling suggests the support is there for a total handgun ban.

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/new-poll...-ban-1.4436825

The population here does not see ownership of a gun as a right; but instead as a privilege.

Canadians support the right of hunters/ranchers to own a rifle/shotgun; but beyond that, most Canadians feel firearms should be severely limited.

[Richard]

You guys are funny

Over 4800 gun and ammunition manufacturers in the country employing over 25,000

Out of the billions each year in revenue created for your social programs.

Biggest customers.

United States

Saudi Arabia where they end up on the black market then in the hands of 15 year old terrorist soldiers.

But if you live in Canada any body can dress up as a RCMP officer and blow you away,and there is not a damn thing you can do to protect yourself.

The average citizen cannot protect themselves against the criminal element because in their best interests it is safer,if they do not own a weapon.

We do not like guns,we like the revenue they produce and what do we care if they are used elsewhere in the world,as long as we can control our own population and leave them defenseless then it is all good.

Ahhhh to live in a country where your right to protect your family from harm is considered a privilege.

[oladub]

The last time I visited Canada was a few years ago. My cousin, who spends most of his summer on a lake in northern Ontario told me of a visit he had had there by the police. They came looking for a gun. Someone had told the police he had a gun of some sort there at the cabin. The police didn't demand to be let in. My cousin told the police he had no such gun. They took his word for it and went away. It was sort of intimidating. My cousin thought that maybe someone had it out for him and sicked the police on him. He didn't have any nasty ex-wife problems so it wasn't that.

This was in a very rural community my father grew up in. Much of the land and lake frontage property has since been purchased by southern Ontario urbanites. I had noticed some small slow low flying planes. My cousin said that the police were looking for marijuana plots. That surprised me because it seemed too far north to be even growing marijuana transplants.

Detroit isn't the same as what it was when I grew up either. However, it was surprising and disappointing that this rural community I was so well acquainted with now had these police state notes.

I listen to the hatred some of my Canadian relatives have for Trump and see their anti-Trump links on Facebook. Somehow, I can't believe that all sides of the American political scene are being carried by the CBC in the same light. Is it possible that Canadian media is fanning anti-gun sentiment with its narrative? I am thinking of 1950's America where almost all Americans received their news from CBS, NBC, and ABC.

I realize that Canada has had a different history beginning with not rebelling against its English rulers. I read an explanation by the Belgian health minister as to why the Swedish approach to CV-19 would not work in Belgium. He said something to the effect that Swedes are very compliant, trusting, and willing to work with their government. Belgians, he said, were different. So much of this difference in attitude between Canadians and Americans toward guns could also have to do with history. The difference could also be driving different acceptable narratives.

[Canadian Visitor]

The first thing to say, is that we are all human beings, and taken at a macro level we all have fairly similar desires/fears etc.

But that said, societies/countries do produce 'cultures'.

They produce a perspective or lens through which you see the world and frame those desires/fears.

The U.S. is built on fear of the state; first with puritans having left a country they felt was abusing them; second, setting up a nation based very clearly on individualism; and then having had a civil war in which a large chunk of the country felt put upon by the other.

Those together form the basis of a low-trust society. This is not a criticism but an academic description of a society in which there is comparatively little trust in government and in other people.

The opposite would be Sweden or Denmark which are high-trust societies. They have relatively few social cleavages.

A classic example of the high-trust society from Denmark is that parents taking their child out in a stroller may arrive at a coffee shop, and leave the stroller outside as they go in to grab a coffee. This does not read as child abuse, or merit panic by the public or even dirty looks. Its thought of as perfectly normal. A place where people take for granted your child will not be kidnapped, strangers will keep an eye out for anything untoward, and why would I bring a large stroller into a small shop and hog all the space?

Canada is in-between. We are certainly not as high-trust as the Danes, but much more than those of you to our south.

Its really reflected in how a culture talks about itself, to its own people.

Lets start at national slogans as it were.........Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.......vs Peace, Order, and Good Government.

Even the national police force slogans have telling distinctions..

FBI: Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity

RCMP: Uphold the Right.

The former sounds like unit of law enforcement going into conflict; while the latter sounds more peace-able.

On the specifics of guns, its really simple, Canadians, broadly speaking don't feel any need to own a handgun, and those in cities rarely feel the need for a rifle/shotgun either.

Canada is a country with a lower level of violent crime; and where the idea of a private militia reads as terrorists in need of being jailed.

[Richard]

I agree history is probably 90% of it,our forefathers created the pesky constitution based on Europe’s history of tyrannical governments and put measures in place to prevent history from repeating itself.

When it comes to a democratic socialist government,I think Bernie Sanders was just born in the wrong country,he probably would have been in charge of Canada years ago.

What amazes me is the amount of countries that were rolled over into German oppression and liquidation to this day seek to repeat history,while others remember what it was like and still take steps to prevent it again.

The argument could be what are the odds of that happening,but the answer is it still happens all the time.

Canada today would be easy to conquer,Like was posted by CV,the majority would just roll over and comply.

The likes of China could just show up with a picture of a scary gun and go boo and the keys to the city would be handed over.

vs Peace, Order, and Good Government


Tells me that if you do not comply with the first two demands the government will make sure you do.

That is like a subliminal message being played in the background constantly.

Even in all of the political turmoil going on in this country,the refreshing part is nobody just sits there and rolls over to what their view of the government should be,the scary part would be if it gets to the point of no opposition and everybody just allows the government to rule them how they deem fit.

Its the whole we the people thing,where as others prefer the government take control of their lives.

[canuck]

I agree history is probably 90% of it,our forefathers created the pesky constitution based on Europe’s history of tyrannical governments and put measures in place to prevent history from repeating itself.

When it comes to a democratic socialist government,I think Bernie Sanders was just born in the wrong country,he probably would have been in charge of Canada years ago.

What amazes me is the amount of countries that were rolled over into German oppression and liquidation to this day seek to repeat history,while others remember what it was like and still take steps to prevent it again.

The argument could be what are the odds of that happening,but the answer is it still happens all the time.

Canada today would be easy to conquer,Like was posted by CV,the majority would just roll over and comply.

The likes of China could just show up with a picture of a scary gun and go boo and the keys to the city would be handed over.

vs Peace, Order, and Good Government


Tells me that if you do not comply with the first two demands the government will make sure you do.

That is like a subliminal message being played in the background constantly.

Even in all of the political turmoil going on in this country,the refreshing part is nobody just sits there and rolls over to what their view of the government should be,the scary part would be if it gets to the point of no opposition and everybody just allows the government to rule them how they deem fit.

Its the whole we the people thing,where as others prefer the government take control of their lives.

In spite of all that firepower in Vietnam and elsewhere, you got kicked out so many times since WW2. Not a great achievement. You could try taking over Canada, but that would only provoke your precipitous downfall. Once you wake up from that Clint Eastwood wet dream you keep having, you'll find that your heroes are not the ones you thought they were.

[Richard]

In spite of all that firepower in Vietnam and elsewhere, you got kicked out so many times since WW2. Not a great achievement. You could try taking over Canada, but that would only provoke your precipitous downfall. Once you wake up from that Clint Eastwood wet dream you keep having, you'll find that your heroes are not the ones you thought they were.

You do realize Clint Eastwood was a movie actor correct?

We have no reason to take over Canada,Hell half of the population is already down in Florida,we could just make it another state like Alaska,and they would not even know.

Besides it is too cold up there and people speak French and women do not shave their armpits,I make it a point not to date or conquer countries where women have more hair in their armpits, then I have on the top of my head.

Or if everybody that promised to move there actually did we might have a respectable country again,notice the little princess that moved to Canada and said she would never move to the states while Trump is in office,is now living in California.

I guess she found living in Canada was worse then her nightmare of Trump.

Or found out real quick that the responsible Canadians were not about to put up with her crap.

Firepower in Vietnam had nothing to do with anything,it was a exercise on fighting based on politics.If we had not listened to the whiners we would have prevailed.

When you look at Korea,Vietnam and every other country we have had action in,our kill rate of the enemy has always been superior actually higher the during WW2.

Canada is no different then the United States or the rest of most of the world really,you have a majority liberals in a few large cities that feel it is necessary to control the rest of the country and force them through any means means necessary to comply to their will.

The problem comes in because those in the liberal cities refuse to acknowledge the consequences of their own failed policies while trying to force them on to others.

Gun crime
Homeless
Murder rate
housing inequality
wage gap
transfer of wealth
The list goes on

If those who think they have the answers actually did,you would not see those problems to the extent that they are.

But hey,focus your energy on the scary bad guns.

[Lowell]

Canada today would be easy to conquer,Like was posted by CV,the majority would just roll over and comply.

Richard, you need to brush up on your history on this one.

When it comes to US invasions of Canada the US is 0-3.

0-1 In the Revolutionary War the then loyal Benedict Arnold led a disastrous invasion of Quebec that left him wounded and his army running, tail between legs, and barely avoiding annihilation.

0-2 At the start of the war of 1812 Gen. Hull led an expedition to Windsor, that came running home, then surrendered Detroit leading to Detroit being an enemy occupied city for a year and a half--a humiliation not suffered by any other American city to my knowledge.

0-3 Then there was "The Battle of Windsor 1838 - Early on December 4, 1838, a force of about 140 American and Canadian supporters of William Lyon Mackenzie crossed the river from Detroit and landed about one mile east of here. After capturing and burning a nearby militia barracks, they took possession of Windsor. In this vicinity they were met and routed by a force of some 130 militiamen commanded by Colonel John Prince. Four of the invaders taken prisoner were executed summarily by order of Colonel Prince. This action caused violent controversy in both Canada and the United States. The remaining captives were tried and sentenced at London, Upper Canada. Six were executed, eighteen transported to a penal colony in Van Diemen's Land [[Tasmania) and sixteen deported."

I prefer to focus on how lucky we are to have "the true north strong and free" Canada as our neighbor. Other than the little hiccup in 1838 we have enjoyed 205 year of mutual peace, prosperity and democracy. We have been allies in wars and conflicts large and small. Even the misadventure in Vietnam saw thousands of Canadians volunteer with US forces. There is a memorial to them in Assumption Park in Windsor.

[jcole]

Thanks, Lowell, for the brush up on Canadian history.

Richard, you need to brush up on your history on this one.

When it comes to US invasions of Canada the US is 0-3.

0-1 In the Revolutionary War the then loyal Benedict Arnold led a disastrous invasion of Quebec that left him wounded and his army running, tail between legs, and barely avoiding annihilation.

0-2 At the start of the war of 1812 Gen. Hull led an expedition to Windsor, that came running home, then surrendered Detroit leading to Detroit being an enemy occupied city for a year and a half--a humiliation not suffered by any other American city to my knowledge.

0-3 Then there was "The Battle of Windsor 1838 - Early on December 4, 1838, a force of about 140 American and Canadian supporters of William Lyon Mackenzie crossed the river from Detroit and landed about one mile east of here. After capturing and burning a nearby militia barracks, they took possession of Windsor. In this vicinity they were met and routed by a force of some 130 militiamen commanded by Colonel John Prince. Four of the invaders taken prisoner were executed summarily by order of Colonel Prince. This action caused violent controversy in both Canada and the United States. The remaining captives were tried and sentenced at London, Upper Canada. Six were executed, eighteen transported to a penal colony in Van Diemen's Land [[Tasmania) and sixteen deported."

I prefer to focus on how lucky we are to have "the true north strong and free" Canada as our neighbor. Other than the little hiccup in 1838 we have enjoyed 205 year of mutual peace, prosperity and democracy. We have been allies in wars and conflicts large and small. Even the misadventure in Vietnam saw thousands of Canadians volunteer with US forces. There is a memorial to them in Assumption Park in Windsor.

[Richard]

Richard, you need to brush up on your history on this one.

When it comes to US invasions of Canada the US is 0-3.

0-1 In the Revolutionary War the then loyal Benedict Arnold led a disastrous invasion of Quebec that left him wounded and his army running, tail between legs, and barely avoiding annihilation.

0-2 At the start of the war of 1812 Gen. Hull led an expedition to Windsor, that came running home, then surrendered Detroit leading to Detroit being an enemy occupied city for a year and a half--a humiliation not suffered by any other American city to my knowledge.

0-3 Then there was "The Battle of Windsor 1838 - Early on December 4, 1838, a force of about 140 American and Canadian supporters of William Lyon Mackenzie crossed the river from Detroit and landed about one mile east of here. After capturing and burning a nearby militia barracks, they took possession of Windsor. In this vicinity they were met and routed by a force of some 130 militiamen commanded by Colonel John Prince. Four of the invaders taken prisoner were executed summarily by order of Colonel Prince. This action caused violent controversy in both Canada and the United States. The remaining captives were tried and sentenced at London, Upper Canada. Six were executed, eighteen transported to a penal colony in Van Diemen's Land [[Tasmania) and sixteen deported."

I prefer to focus on how lucky we are to have "the true north strong and free" Canada as our neighbor. Other than the little hiccup in 1838 we have enjoyed 205 year of mutual peace, prosperity and democracy. We have been allies in wars and conflicts large and small. Even the misadventure in Vietnam saw thousands of Canadians volunteer with US forces. There is a memorial to them in Assumption Park in Windsor.

Most of my reply’s to Canuck are tongue in cheek,outside of guns and starving children.

I have served and trained with Canadian forces,and have been with them visiting a place most Canadians know little about or what happened at Dieppe France 1942,when in a blundered raid based on little intelligence where 3367 Canadians out of 5000 were killed wounded or captured in a matter of a couple of hours.

Those lives were sacrificed in order to gain intelligence for the future D-Day landings which in spite of it all saved thousands of lives.

There are also a lot of Canadians in Florida,so between military contacts and the ones down here it is not hard to get a gist of what others feel in subjects contrary to what others like us to believe.

CV was correct when he posted,everybody is the same when it comes to wants and needs,it is like that where ever you go in the world,no matter what politics or form of government is in power at the time.

The majority just want to raise their family and enjoy life in peace.

On a side note,the failure at Dieppe was because the Germans reinforced positions with machine guns that had devastating results.

They did this after the Daily Telegraph in England printed the location of Dieppe in the daily crossword puzzle.

The Same spy printed Overlord in the crossword puzzle the day before D-Day in order to warn the Germans of the landings there.

The spy was getting information in trade for candy from children that were hanging around the military bases and writing up key words from conversations that they overheard from military planners.

It was after that the United States enacted a media censorship program where the media was not allowed to print or broadcast anything without government censors reviewing it first.

Most of the history taught in the US revolves around like we were the only ones,but most of that was to instill a sense of duty.

[Lowell]

I have served and trained with Canadian forces,and have been with them visiting a place most Canadians know little about or what happened at Dieppe France 1942,when in a blundered raid based on little intelligence where 3367 Canadians out of 5000 were killed wounded or captured in a matter of a couple of hours.

Those lives were sacrificed in order to gain intelligence for the future D-Day landings which in spite of it all saved thousands of lives.

The futile Dieppe Raid had a Detroit story in that Windsor's Essex Scottish Regiment, that included American volunteers, was sent into that bloodbath and suffered 121 KIA and many more wounded and captured. The Essex Scottish had more WWII casualties than any other Canadian force. Dieppe Park which directly across the river from downtown Detroit commemorates the raid and sacrifice.

I have been on a long-term project of reading the New York Times for the WWII years, same day every day currently on May 9, 1943. The first reports of the Dieppe Raid were glowing, but successive stories became grimmer and grimmer, until disaster is finally admitted and inquiries made.

The downfall was a force of German patrol boats that by chance stumbled on the landing fleet while it was marshaling at sea, cut it to pieces, while alerting the shore artillery and infantry that completed the massacre.

The 'sacrifice to gain Intelligence' excuse was run up the flagpole to justify the waste but the only intelligence gained was that only a D-Day magnitude invasion would work.

In fact it was little more than a large-scale Dolittle Raid-style suicide mission. The Dieppe Raid had a bit of morale boost at the outset but only because the truth was hidden. The earlier Dolittle raid had significantly more morale boost with far less loss and I have pondered if that encouraged the ill-planned Dieppe Raid.

[Richard]

There are other reports that the real intent was the raid was a cover for another team that was supposed to recover an enigma machine,which kinda plays on where they were never supposed to actually occupy,get in and get out,or more so like a probe.

Thanks for the memorial information,I will add it to the list of things to visit.

People wonder how others cannot believe when they throw the whole x amount of intelligence agencies said this or that,but they do have a history of getting it wrong,and when they do thousands pay the price.

I met a survivor of the raid in the UK,he had just turned 18 when he stepped off in that beach.

Both of my uncles were in the D-day landings but never talked about it,years ago I learned more about the real and personal aspect about it while talking to survivors in the UK,France etc. then the history books show us.

There is a guy in Brussels that plays piano for the neighborhood while on corona virus lock down.

When he was age 11 him and his parents were loaded on a train to be taken to the extermination camps,bi-partisans attacked the train and his mother sent him out the door to escape into the woods,she stayed on the train in order to not jeopardize his escape.

At 11 years old he was on the run and never staying in a safe place more then 2 days out of fear of getting caught,he said the first thing he would do when at a safe house was go up in the attic and plan his escape route over the rooftops in case the Germans showed up.

Imagine doing that at age 11.

The stories of bravery and survival are amazing and repeated millions of times over.

On YouTube

Mark Felton productions

Periscope films is a searchable data base of films that were produced.

British Pathe is another searchable film database.

British movietone is another one based of films from the early days of the AP

I think it would be interesting to see in your research with the NYT as it was presented verses how things really happened.

[jcole]

I wonder if it was written in Iambic pentameter or free verse? I really didn't know the NYT wrote poetry though

I think it would be interesting to see in your research with the NYT as it was presented verses how things really happened.

[Honky Tonk]

Doctor Causes Coronavirus Infections.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-...171840325.html

[Honky Tonk]

Racism Prevalent In Canada...


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trudeau-c...182508250.html

[Canadian Visitor]

Racism Prevalent In Canada...


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trudeau-c...182508250.html

Duh?

Racism is an issue everywhere; as the PM himself is quoted as saying.

What shocks Canadians in this context is the overtness, the death, the frequency of such things in the U.S.

But its not as if we don't have racism; more of it tends to be of the subtler variety.

Though we have had issues w/police shootings/excessive force in the past as well.

Though, police shootings are way down in recent years; which is a positive.

Canada's biggest racism issue is our inability to better tackle the poor conditions on many first nations reserves, as well as the plight of some urban First Nations people also. Thunder Bay, Ontario in the north-west part of the province has had many problems in this regard.

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I think when you post this stuff Honky Tonk. you imagine your somehow hurting Canadians.

Which is line w/your penchant for being a bully and being insulting.

But the truth is, we already know we have issues here, that our country is far from perfect and is on-going improvement project.

Progress has been made in some spaces; but there are others where that has been painfully slow.

The difference between us is that I recognize my country is flawed and work to fix it.

While you know your country is flawed, and contribute to those flaws; and do squat all to make it better.