Bernie Sanders Is Dropping Out of 2020 Democratic Race for President

**Lowell** · April-08-20, 10:38 AM

"Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont is dropping out of the Democratic presidential race on Wednesday, concluding a quest for the White House that began five years ago in relative obscurity but ultimately elevated him as a champion of the working class, a standard-bearer of American liberalism and the leader of a self-styled political revolution.

"Mr. Sanders’s exit from the race establishes former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. as the presumptive nominee to challenge President Trump, and leaves the progressive movement without a prominent voice in the 2020 race."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/u...drops-out.html

He as left an immense imprint on the party.

**Honky Tonk** · April-08-20, 12:08 PM

"Bernie Sanders Is Forced Out of 2020 Democratic Race for President"

**Richard** · April-08-20, 12:29 PM

He could not draw supporters outside of his base,which was smaller then in 2016.

No problem with the progressive voice,it has been around for 2000 years,it just needs to be so low in this country,so low nobody can hear it.

But yet they are always screaming and throwing the tantrums the loudest.

He is not dropping out,he is staying in to collect delegates and stay in the primaries to maintain power for his base,in his mind.His main goal with maintaining the delegates is to keep some power within the Democratic Party.

Even though he already renewed his senate seat as a independent.

He could not bow out without blaming Trump for his failures though,which is par to the course.

I want to maintain power with the Democratic Party while being a separate independent,DNC says,No either you are a democrat or a independent,you cannot really blame them.

**softailrider** · April-08-20, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Lowell

"Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont is dropping out of the Democratic presidential race on Wednesday, concluding a quest for the White House that began five years ago in relative obscurity but ultimately elevated him as a champion of the working class, a standard-bearer of American liberalism and the leader of a self-styled political revolution.

"Mr. Sanders’s exit from the race establishes former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. as the presumptive nominee to challenge President Trump, and leaves the progressive movement without a prominent voice in the 2020 race."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/u...drops-out.html

He as left an immense imprint on the party.

He moved Joe Biden way further left.

**oladub** · April-08-20, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by softailrider

He moved Joe Biden way further left.

Just my impression, but Joe Biden is an empty vessel to be filled by his handlers. The same crowd of deep state, DNC corporatists that pull Joe's strings will have a big say in choosing Joe's VP. It has to be woman. I'm guessing that they will want someone competent and relatively controllable like Amy Klobuchar who might be attractive to moderate independents and some Republicans in the general election. Amy isn't in a position to argue if she wants to be VP and maybe President.

Elizabeth Warren might be too much to handle for Joe's handlers. She would bring out some of Bernie's followers but the DNC would rather they kept their distance. Kamala Harris would be a general election turnoff.

Joe doesn't have to garner Bernie votes after the convention.

**Jimaz** · April-08-20, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by softailrider

He moved Joe Biden way further left.

Than what? Where Biden was? Okay.

Further left than where American voters were? We'll have to see about that.

**Zacha341** · April-09-20, 05:31 AM

Interesting. For sure Biden must be propped, duct taped, and filled. And since he's proffered a woman per the 'checklist' I agree Klobuchar's the best, reasonable candidate. He limited the options, so be it.

Originally Posted by oladub

...Biden is an empty vessel to be filled by his handlers. The same crowd of deep state, DNC corporatists that pull Joe's strings will have a big say in choosing Joe's VP. It has to be woman. I'm guessing that they will want someone competent and relatively controllable like Amy Klobuchar...

**Honky Tonk** · April-09-20, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Interesting. For sure Biden must be propped, duct taped, and filled. And since he's proffered a woman per the 'checklist', I agree Klobuchar is the best, reasonable candidate. He limited the options, so be it.

Maybe Dems will go for the gusto and choose AOC. Guarenteed young vote. State of the Union will be like watching George Burns and Gracey Allen.

**Zacha341** · April-09-20, 06:23 AM

^^^ Oh my... give AOC another few years and she may be ready. In the meantime she's on the run herself - the radical left's not feelin' her too much!

Burns and Allen! LOL!!

**Lowell** · April-09-20, 08:57 AM

AOC at 30 is too young under the constitution. She won't eligible until 2028.

**softailrider** · April-09-20, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Jimaz

Than what? Where Biden was? Okay.

Further left than where American voters were? We'll have to see about that.

That is correct, we’ll see about that in November.

**jcole** · April-09-20, 09:04 AM

AOC is too young to use as VEEP. Has to be 35

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Maybe Dems will go for the gusto and choose AOC. Guarenteed young vote. State of the Union will be like watching George Burns and Gracey Allen.

**Zacha341** · April-09-20, 09:13 AM

^^^ Yep. A few short years.....

**Pam** · April-09-20, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by softailrider

He moved Joe Biden way further left.

Is this a joke?

I wish Bernie had stayed in but maybe he didn't want people to die trying to vote like in Wisconsin. He's been doing a lot of Town Halls on the virus.

https://youtu.be/3YwbzgEsSGI

**oladub** · April-09-20, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

I wish Bernie had stayed in but maybe he didn't want people to die trying to vote like in Wisconsin.

If you are worried about health, going inside a grocery store is probably more dangerous than voting for most Wisconsin voters. This was a story hyped for political purposes bordering on fake news. The only significant event involving lines was in Milwaukee because at the last moment, Milwaukee's [[Democratic) election commission decided to only let Milwaukee residents vote in five places. That caused confusion and long lines and probably discouraged some of Milwaukee's mostly Democratic voters. Maybe 40% of Wisconsin voters used absentee ballots so there pretty much weren't lines elsewhere because so many people already voted. At my precinct, there was drive in voting for anyone who didn't vote absentee and receptacles for anyone who hadn't mailed their ballot in.

**Honky Tonk** · April-10-20, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Pam

Is this a joke?

I wish Bernie had stayed in but maybe he didn't want people to die trying to vote like in Wisconsin. He's been doing a lot of Town Halls on the virus.

https://youtu.be/3YwbzgEsSGI

Is this the same Bernie Sanders that held his rally anyway, in Detroit on 3-6-20, @ the start of the C-19 escalation, encouraging attendees to show up by any means possible, without any mention of taking precaution against contracting the virus, in a crowded environment @ his rally? Now he's an out spoken crusader against the virus.

https://events.berniesanders.com/event/257679/

**Zacha341** · April-10-20, 03:13 AM

Yep. It was a busy March for Michigan for sure. Just bustling...

**Pam** · April-10-20, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by oladub

If you are worried about health, going inside a grocery store is probably more dangerous than voting for most Wisconsin voters. This was a story hyped for political purposes bordering on fake news. The only significant event involving lines was in Milwaukee because at the last moment, Milwaukee's [[Democratic) election commission decided to only let Milwaukee residents vote in five places. That caused confusion and long lines and probably discouraged some of Milwaukee's mostly Democratic voters. Maybe 40% of Wisconsin voters used absentee ballots so there pretty much weren't lines elsewhere because so many people already voted. At my precinct, there was drive in voting for anyone who didn't vote absentee and receptacles for anyone who hadn't mailed their ballot in.

I don't know who was to blame but they should have postponed it or extended the deadline for the mail in ballots.

**Pam** · April-10-20, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Is this the same Bernie Sanders that held his rally anyway, in Detroit on 3-6-20, @ the start of the C-19 escalation, encouraging attendees to show up by any means possible, without any mention of taking precaution against contracting the virus, in a crowded environment @ his rally? Now he's an out spoken crusader against the virus.

https://events.berniesanders.com/event/257679/

They probably should have canceled that but remember, there weren't any announced cases in Michigan at that time. I think the first one was announced on March 11.

**Zacha341** · April-10-20, 08:06 AM

It depends on which way you look re. the politics. Setting that aside, thanks for the link re. safety in shopping!

I avoided the SAMS club etc. scene. Crowd to dense. Weeks back I felt shopping was risky. Wore a bank-robbing looking bandana at minimal, with gloves. Plastic bags outside - wiping things down. Now when I go for groceries, I'm there the MINUTE they open - first customers. In and out, change clothes when I get in. And shower when I get home.

The new norm. Yeah!

Originally Posted by oladub

If you are worried about health, going inside a grocery store is probably more dangerous than voting for most Wisconsin voters....

**oladub** · April-10-20, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Pam

I don't know who was to blame but they should have postponed it or extended the deadline for the mail in ballots.

Democrats should have heralded the Wisconsin election as a step forward because absentee ballots were encouraged to be used as voting by mail. Absentee ballots are supposed to be for people who are sick, away from home, or otherwise cannot make it to their voting precinct. This time, however, because of Covid-19 health concerns, voters were encouraged to use absentee ballots as mail in votes whether or not they could make it to their precinct. Mail in voting is something Democrats are advocating. Over 1.2M voters did so. Four years ago, in the last presidential primary, 2.1M people voted in Wisconsin. 1.2M represents 57% of that number if the same total number [[2.1M) of people voted. We expect to know the actual voting numbers and election results by the 13th one week after the election by which time all the absentee ballots should be in. They had to be postmarked on the day of the election; the 7th..

Of the 1.2M absentee ballots, 12,000 [[1%) went missing. Three hampers of ballots were discovered yesterday in a post office. They were from places that voted Republican in 2016. That was the only absentee glitch I know of.

Otherwise, the blame for the lines in Milwaukee lays at the feet of the Milwaukee Election Commission and the Milwaukee County Clerk, Democrats all, who presided over the voting fiasco in Milwaukee. and people who failed to ask for an absentee ballot. Even in other Democratic areas like Madison, Eau Claire, La Crosse, and SE Wisconsin, there was order and prompt voting. Maybe the DNC made a mistake by choosing Milwaukee to host its coronation.

**old guy** · April-14-20, 11:19 PM

I agree with you and disagree with you Oladub quite often, but I do think that this election should have been postponed for a while. Mostly because other states were doing it. Safety first. I was going to go vote, but didn’t. I was happy with the outcome though.
I guess you can assume that it was right or wrong to proceed as they did or to do as other states were doing, but why not give it a little time, people were sincerely nervous.

**oladub** · April-15-20, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by old guy

I agree with you and disagree with you Oladub quite often, but I do think that this election should have been postponed for a while. Mostly because other states were doing it. Safety first. I was going to go vote, but didn’t. I was happy with the outcome though.
I guess you can assume that it was right or wrong to proceed as they did or to do as other states were doing, but why not give it a little time, people were sincerely nervous.

old guy, I underestimated how many people in Wisconsin voted with mail in absentee ballots. My most recent guess was that 2/3 of Wisconsin voters voted by mail. This graph by the Wisconsin Election Commission suggests that 83% of Wisconsin voters chose absentee ballots. I think the real story is the fear mongering and almost fake news distortion of this election by the media. All I saw on the internet were lines of people "risking their lives to vote". That was how the election was portrayed. 34% of Wisconsin's electorate voted which was about normal to a little higher than normal for this kind of election but according to this graph, about 83% of the 34% used mail in votes. That means that 17% [[100%-83%) of the 34% showed up at the polls. 17% of 34% works out to 5.78% of Wisconsin voters went to the polls if I am reading this graph correctly. One would hardly know it from all the articles about how Republicans were making people die and the photos of people lined up in Milwaukee because of their inept local government.

**Richard** · April-15-20, 05:12 PM

Bernie in supporting Biden

In my opinion Trump is the most dangerous president in American history.

I agree with Bernie on that because Trump is anti socialism,so it stands to reason he is dangerous to those whose only goal is to convert this country to their brand of socialism.

While Bernie is quick to blame President Trump for his woes,It was Bernie Sanders and Bernie Sanders alone that could not get enough support for his revolution.

But as usual instead of accepting self blame,it is everybody’s else fault for his shortcomings.

He has spent the last year telling everybody how lousy Biden would make as a president but yet all of the sudden supports his nomination.