Coronavirus: Threat Beyond Politics [For Political Discussions of CoV]

**Zacha341** · January-26-20, 07:55 AM

As shock value oriented as DM can be the vids here alone stand on their own. Bat soup, live stock origin?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eader-comments

Coronavirus is the latest round in an age-old struggle

https://www.ft.com/content/bd6cad34-...c-0f8435cd42d9

Pandemics and politics do not mix well.

From article:

Reporting suggests that animals may have been the original source — as was the case with Sars, another virus in the same family — reflecting the proximity which millions in China share with livestock. The emergence of new diseases has also been worsened by climate change, which has expanded the temperate region where pathogens can thrive, according to the World Health Organisation.

Today’s strategy of containment — one of the key measures deployed against endemic diseases — would be familiar to civil authorities and medical personnel as far back as the ancient world. “Quarantine” has its roots in the Venetian Republic’s 14th century efforts to keep out the plague. But the maritime power would have been hard-pressed to institute a cordon sanitaire on a Chinese scale. The ability to lock down cities the size of Wuhan, which is about as big as London, is a reflection of the power of Beijing’s ever more authoritarian rule.

Misinformation, and disinformation, are also still prevalent. During the outbreak of Spanish flu in 1918-19, conspiracy theories of enemy bioweapons circulated. An 1853 outbreak of yellow fever in New Orleans was blamed on immigrants...

**Zacha341** · January-26-20, 08:00 AM

China coronavirus 'spreads before symptoms show' - BBC News

How Canada is responding to first "presumptive" case

**Zacha341** · January-26-20, 09:13 AM

It's no wonder more diseases are not breaking out!

Inside the horrific, inhumane animal markets behind pandemics like coronavirus

**Canadian Visitor** · January-26-20, 11:25 AM

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/envi...m_npd_nn_tw_ma

**Honky Tonk** · January-27-20, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Canadian Visitor

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/envi...m_npd_nn_tw_ma

Interesting read, even with a 3rd grade education. The imbedded links are good too. Once released into the atmosphere, who knows which way it can go.

**oladub** · January-27-20, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Interesting read, even with a 3rd grade education. The imbedded links are good too. Once released into the atmosphere, who knows which way it can go.

So far, I haven't heard of importing corona virus with Chinese food and products. It might be a good idea to wash off new Chinese made products and one's hands anyway as the last person handling it was in China.

**bust** · January-27-20, 11:23 AM

That's probably not a risk, but there are good reasons to avoid Chinese products altogether. [[I know: impossible. But we can try.) Just one example: the melamine scandal.

My Vietnamese-born, American-educated doctor with an office in one of NY's Chinatowns to serve the local community advised me to try to avoid all food products with ingredients from China.

Some of his advice: avoid vitamin supplements. Get them naturally from a healthy diet instead. Most supplements are made in China and can cause more harm than good. Poor manufacturing and fraud are much bigger problems there than they are here. So when deciding between orange juice and orange juice with extra vitamins, buy the simpler stuff. Milk too. And if you're lucky enough to still have a local bakery, get your bread there, not the plastic-wrapped vitamin-"enriched" food putty from the aisles.

**Canadian Visitor** · January-27-20, 12:11 PM

A Q&A/FAQ from CBC News on this virus has some helpful info.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/checkup/fro...irus-1.5441030

**Canadian Visitor** · January-27-20, 12:12 PM

From Stat News, something of a head-ups on the potential for supply problems with some medications. Not a likely risk of contamination, but still supply interruptions.

https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2...l-ingredients/

**canuck** · January-27-20, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Interesting read, even with a 3rd grade education. The imbedded links are good too. Once released into the atmosphere, who knows which way it can go.

Lol. Keep to American milk.

**Zacha341** · January-27-20, 05:59 PM

^^^Yeah, and no imported chicken from China! Can't we manage to farm enough of our own cluck-cluck locally!

**Zacha341** · January-30-20, 10:53 AM

Cruiseship Quarantined...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ronavirus.html

**Zacha341** · January-30-20, 03:15 PM

Crucial Updates:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51318246

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/c...hnk/index.html

**Gistok** · February-05-20, 12:22 AM

One of the reasons I buy a lot of canned goods from Aldi's is because of a lack of food stuffs from China, Vietnam and Indonesia... all on my 'do not buy' list. Kroger even sells Chinese food stuff, as do the dollar stores. At least at Aldi's the imported stuff comes from Germany, and mostly other EU countries.

One item that is pretty much universally a Chinese import is canned Mandarin Orange segments.

I read the point of origin of all food stuffs. And even produce. I go to Nino Salvaggio's to get produce, because all their produce has 'source country' labels above their shelves. I try to avoid Mexico produce, but will buy items from Chile, which is very common in USA food stores in the winter months. USA/Canada and Europe buy a lot of winter produce from Chile. I notice also produce coming from Peru... need to read up on that a bit more.

**bust** · February-05-20, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Gistok

China, Vietnam and Indonesia... all on my 'do not buy' list.

And for good reason! So many examples, such as:

Shrimp containing antibiotic-resistant bacteria found in Canadian grocery stores
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/shrim...lace-1.5055101

Shrimp is delicious, but hard to trust. Allergic to shrimp? Maybe it's not the shrimp.

Analysis of antibiotic multi-resistant bacteria and resistance genes in the effluent of an intensive shrimp farm [[Long An, Vietnam)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29524670

The most common used antibiotics in Vietnamese shrimp farming
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/..._tbl2_50832640

Look for cold water shrimp if you can find it. Even a lot of American shrimp is from warm waters where it's not particularly safe. Not just because of the oil rigs... If you've ever smelled the sewage dumped into the intracoastal waterway alongside the mansions north of Palm Beach you know what I mean. Famous for shrimp there too.

**Richard** · February-05-20, 02:44 PM

^ the US has a fetish with Swai fish that are the bottom feeders of the polluted Vietnam rivers.

We get our fresh oysters and shrimp of of cedar key,but it is well known that after a cold snap is the best time and harvested in the months with a “R” in it.

China built an entire hospital to house infected citizens,ground up to completion in 8 days.

The death rate doubles every week,time to binge watch the Walking Dead and the Last Ship.

**Zacha341** · February-05-20, 08:27 PM

I am getting close to ending my consumption of shrimp... ever closer.

**Richard** · February-05-20, 11:22 PM

So could the bubble wrap from China contain contaminated air?

Each little pop releases the virus.

**Richard** · February-05-20, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

I am getting close to ending my consumption of shrimp... ever closer.

Last Sunday we went through a bushel of raw oysters and some fresh caught jumbo shrimp,3 large shrimp is like a meal.

Lightly steamed dipped in real butter,yummy

Nothing good comes out of any socialist country,except for the ones that escape.

In the summer when the ocean temps are high along with the bacteria we order fresh oysters and shrimp out of the north,they ship it in a cooler of ice,it’s not frozen imported junk,you can enjoy sea food you just really have to know where it is coming from.

**Honky Tonk** · February-08-20, 07:13 PM

RIP Dr. Li Wenliang...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/breaking-...173400976.html

**Jimaz** · February-08-20, 07:58 PM

Whole genome of the Wuhan coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, sequenced

Thursday January 30, 2020. The Institut Pasteur obtains and shares the whole sequence of the virus

They're attacking this vigorously!

**oladub** · February-10-20, 08:27 AM

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6

This is a good link to keep track of the spread of coronavirus.
Presently, there are 40,523 confirmed cases, 910 deaths, and 3,517 total recoveries. Cases have been confirmed in at least 28 countries. 1M Chinese live in Africa and Africa is totally unprepared to handle this. Worldwide, total deaths amount to 2.2% of all confirmed cases. However, there are 26% as many deaths as total recoveries.

Foxconn, an electronics company, is beginning to manufacture masks.

**Richard** · February-10-20, 10:09 AM

$10 masks

China has over 50 million on lock down,you can leave your house only to get basic food supplies.

Leaked cell phone video shows them going house to house forcibly removing people,good cover to also round up dissidents.

Sky news was reporting a Brit that was leaving ground zero on a last flight,tested positive the first time but minutes later tested negative,but was still held.

Theee was a vacation chalet where 1 person infected 5,parts of the country have always been under media blackout,like the re-education camps that hold thousands of Muslims and political residents,Nobody knows what is happening there.

What is also interesting is the US has a travel ban in place from China but no protests like when other travel bans were implemented.

I forgot what country,thinking Germany where they “cured” somebody infected,but China is still standing by the deaths mostly were related to other underlying heath issues that created more complications.

**Richard** · February-16-20, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Cruiseship Quarantined...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ronavirus.html

The number affected has climbed to 350 out of 3500 and climbing,the US,Canada and other countries are removing their citizens from the ship,they have been on lockdown in their rooms for the last 12 days,they will be placed in a 14 day quarantine on a military base.

A 61 year old male in Taiwan has died from the virus,he had traveled nowhere and they suspect that he caught it from a passenger that had ridden in his cab,so they really do not know how widespread or how many really effected.

Another cruise ship has docked in Cambodia after being refused entry at 5 other countries,an American woman that had tested positive twice for the virus escaped and boarded a flight to Malisia doing her part to spread it worldwide.

More leaked video from China shows the police welding the steel doors shut on a residential house so the family cannot leave,hopefully there will be no fire there,not that it matters because if they are low in food they will be lucky to last the week alive.

That is what they are doing,you can only leave for getting a bag of food to survive,get caught outside for any other reason and they lock the whole family down in the house,nobody leaves.

Death toll at ground zero in China has reached 1800 the total amount that they know are effected is 69,000 as of today,it seems to be doubling every week and the spread worldwide is increasing.

If the numbers keep increasing at the rate they are it is going to Interesting to see how this effects people going out to vote come November.

**oladub** · February-16-20, 08:13 PM

As of this morning, the number of new cases in China has slightly dipped in each of the last three days. However, if coronavirus gets loose in a poorer country without such totalitarian governmental controls like Congo, it might be impossible to control.

What is the average dollar cost of treating one case of this sickness in the United States by families, insurance companies, and governments? I haven't seen any such numbers reported.

Its usually reported that 2-3% of the number of patients who have become sick with coronavirus have died. That isn't the same has reporting the ratio of those whose illness has been resolved by either death or complete recovery. In post #22, I linked to John Hopkins site. By February 10, coronavirus had killed 910 and 3,517 had made a total recovery. I just looked that up again [[Feb. 16) and the tally is now 1,770 dead and 10,872 totally recovered.

Of the cases resolved on Feb. 10, 20.6% resulted in death.
Of the cases resolved on Feb. 16, 14% had resulted in death.

That's some improvement but nowhere near 2-3%. A Taiwanese doctor is reporting that recovered patients who get reinfected have a more serious second round of the disease.