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    One has to admit the irony

    A Real Plan For The Middle Class

    Offering a $2000 incentive for the underprivileged in order to go camping.

    Who pays for that but the middle class?

    Would it not just be easier to waive the fees and provide a camping package,tent,critter spray,stock pot?

    Lets work on building up the middle class by thinking of 5000 more programs that need to be paid for by taxes levied on the middle class.

    No wonder you guys can afford to waste billions on a bridge to nothing,the middle class has deep pockets with free money.

    ’ take the critical next steps to implement national universal pharmacare so that all Canadians have the drug coverage they need at an affordable price.
    We will back up these commitments with an additional commitment of $6 billion over the next four years, tied to outcomes and negotiated with the provinces and territories.


    Let me know if I am reading this right.

    The argument of the cost of medicines in Canada to the consumer is cheaper then when compared to Americans.

    Is the cost cheaper because it is subsidized through the government but actually paid by the consumer ,because they are also paying the subsidized tax?

    We will cut corporate taxes in half for businesses that develop technologies or manufacture prod- ucts that have zero emissions.

    But the existing buisness will have to increase thier tax obligations in order to make up for the shortfalls.

    That whole thing consists of a bunch of new stuff that needs to be paid for over and above the current tax rates.

    Clean Energy Transition
    We will invest every dollar we earn from the Trans Mountain Expansion Project in Canada’s clean energy transition.
    It is estimated that additional federal corporate income tax revenues resulting from the Trans Mountain Expansion Project could generate
    $500 million per year once the project has been completed. This money, as well as any profit from the sale of the pipeline, will be invested in natural climate solutions and clean energy projects that will power our homes, businesses, and communities for generations to come.


    So let’s run a billion dollar pipeline in order to move fossil fuels,so we can take those profits and invest in clean energy because fossil fuels are bad.

    Then we can find some sucker to buy the pipeline after we ban fossil fuels in our 2050 plan,you guys have any bridges for sale?

    I can see your liberals are the same as ours,they just have to make it sound good,it does not actually have to be based on reality.
    Last edited by Richard; September-29-19 at 06:03 PM.

  2. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Visitor View Post
    Generally, I think the only thing that was clearly unpopular here was allowing US milk into Canada; and that's all about BGH (Growth Hormones allowed in US dairy cattle). My understanding is that that is shrinking in terms of portion of the market that is like that; so I'm not sure its a big issue; but it does rub some folks the wrong way who see US milk as adulterated.
    I'm enjoying your thread.

    Recombinant Bovine Somatotropin (rBST) is another name for recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone (rBGH). By whatever name it's called, rBGH is a genetically engineered variant of the natural growth hormone produced by cows.

    As an aside regarding BGH: Some U.S. milk producers allow BGH, other milk producers don't. I prefer that it not be included. It would be possible for Canada to import only BGH free dairy products. The Kirkland brand Costco yoghurt we buy says, "Made in Canada rBST-free: No significant difference has been shown between milk derived from rBST treated and non-rBST treated cows". That wording is required by the U.S. government on all products that wish to brag about not having any BGH in its dairy product sold in the U.S..

    Greta Thunberg was a huge success in Canada; more than in the U.S.. To what do you attribute her relatively h popularity in Canada?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    One has to admit the irony

    A Real Plan For The Middle Class

    Offering a $2000 incentive for the underprivileged in order to go camping.

    Who pays for that but the middle class?
    Not disagreeing, this is a dumb idea. Every party has a few of those this election cycle, the Liberals own this one.

    ’ take the critical next steps to implement national universal pharmacare so that all Canadians have the drug coverage they need at an affordable price.......

    Let me know if I am reading this right.

    The argument of the cost of medicines in Canada to the consumer is cheaper then when compared to Americans.

    Is the cost cheaper because it is subsidized through the government but actually paid by the consumer ,because they are also paying the subsidized tax?
    The cost of drugs is lower before any government program or subsidy.

    The main difference is that any new drug that requests a patent in Canada has to go to the Patent Medicine Price Review Board.

    They can't charge whatever they want; they have to demonstrate they are asking a fair price (including profit and research cost); the price they are asking is then compared with what other countries are paying, and a price is approved for the term of the patent.

    Prices are also lower because drug advertising is prohibited in Canada.

    Any subsidies to people are on top of that.

    We will cut corporate taxes in half for businesses that develop technologies or manufacture prod- ucts that have zero emissions.

    But the existing buisness will have to increase thier tax obligations in order to make up for the shortfalls.
    That's not what they are proposing; there are no corporate tax increases to speak of; what they are doing, and I disagree with is deficit-financing this pledge.

    Actually, let me say I disagree w/this pledge all together; I'm fine w/mandating lower emission/zero emission products by legislative fiat where practical; I don't think the government should subsidize this or engage in market-distortion.

    So let’s run a billion dollar pipeline in order to move fossil fuels,so we can take those profits and invest in clean energy because fossil fuels are bad.
    The Greens and NDP both oppose this pipeline, the Conservatives are also in favour.

    The hypocrisy involved in this has not gone unnoticed.

    Personally, my issues w/TMX are different.

    1) They should have let Kinder Morgan go bankrupt and bought it out of bankruptcy for 40c on the dollar. Why overpay?

    2) Not sure its needed; if 'oil sands' bitumen were upgraded in Northern Alberta, prior to being piped it would be far more viscous and you would get a lot of new capacity in the existing pipeline. That seems the more prudent, less costly way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    I'm enjoying your thread.
    Ty

    Greta Thunberg was a huge success in Canada; more than in the U.S.. To what do you attribute her relatively h popularity in Canada?
    I don't know that she's that much more successful here.

    Yes, we had a huge climate march in Montreal and some decent sized ones elsewhere.

    But I think you'd find the environment as a whole is a somewhat higher ranked issue in Canada vs the U.S.

    This is particularly true in Quebec (and BC) which are both more anti-pipeline, and have a more assertive public on these types of issues.

    Quebec also has more of the European mass-protest culture vs the U.S.

    A few years ago, the government of Quebec proposed to raise tuitions at Quebec's universities, which are the lowest in North America, slightly faster than inflation.

    This triggered mass protests, student walkouts, lots of disruption, and the government ultimately caved.

    300,000 people attending the climate strike/march is not a small protest, but neither is it shocking in Montreal.

    Students took the day off school; the Prime Minister also attended, several businesses closed to let their staff attend (brand enhancement).

    I think its fair to say she has a somewhat higher, somewhat more positive profile here; but its not an enormous difference.

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    So a few quick updates.

    1) The first debate involving Trudeau took place yesterday, in French, along w/the leaders of the NDP, the Conservatives and the Bloc Quebecois.

    The Greens and People's Party were not invited by the private Quebec broadcaster.

    The general sense coming out of the debate seems to be that the BQ leader faired best; while Trudeau came off Ok, Singh did better than expected (low expectations) and Scheer (the Conservative) did the worst.

    The latter may owe partly to Scheer's French which is not the best; but probably moreso that the other leaders decided to go after him for being pro-life.

    There are pro-lifers in Canada to be sure, but it is not a mainstream thing in a country that hasn't had any laws on abortion in over 20 years.

    But important context here is that Quebecers are particularly secular and suspicious of people who are devoutly religious (this has hurt Singh as well, who wears a turban).

    Here's one of those quirks of our First-Past-the-Post electoral system though, the Conservatives doing poorly (in Quebec) may actually help them stand a better shot at government. If there is less vote splitting their votes may go to the BQ resulting in fewer Liberals being elected.

    None of that is a given, merely possible, no post-debate polling out yet, that I have seen.

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    2) In relation to the above, Scheer (the Conservative leader) came out this morning squarely saying he was pro-life but would not reopen the issue if elected. This is likely in response to last night, where he seemed evasive on the subject.

    3) A new issue has then cropped up for the Conservatives.......it turns out their leader, Mr. Scheer is also American. His father was American and he has as a result, held duel-citizenship since birth; he has never actually resided in the U.S.

    I don't think this is actually that big an issue, at least in its own right, in Canada, where dual-citizenship is not at all uncommon.

    The only thing that may stick here, is that 2 campaigns ago the Conservatives made a big stink about a then Liberal leader holding dual-citizenship; and to a lesser degree it was also raised about a former NDP leader for holding dual French and Canadian citizenship.

    Also of note here, is that Elizabeth May, leader of the Greens was born in the US, but immigrated to Canada in the 1970s at which time she renounced her US citizenship.

    At the end of the day Scheer is saying he is the process of renouncing his US Citizenship.

    It probably is not and will not be a material issue, except to the extent the party is branded as hypocritical; as Trudeau has been in light of the blackface controversy.

  6. #31

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    Article from the New York Times summing up the election campaign as it goes into its final week.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/w...sultPosition=1

    Fundamentally, it appears we're heading for a minority parliament, and/or a hung parliament (where no combination of parties will have a working majority).

    Barring a big surprise, an absolute majority for either the Liberals or the Conservatives seems out of the question; the question is who will have the plurality (the largest number of seats) and which lessor parties will or will not support one of the big 2.

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    I saw a column in today's Globe and Mail which is by Michael Coren, probably Canada's best known Christian columnist/author.

    Of course many columnists have private faiths, but his has always been very public.

    What intrigued here was the observation of how different the effect of religion is on politics in Canada. (much smaller, but also more varied)

    This owes in large part, I imagine, to a much smaller evangelican Christian population at 10% of Canadians vs the 30-35% in the U.S.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...-a-crossroads/

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