Is this for real? Detroit Festival sets prices based on race?

[jcole]

I don't understand; what was honorable about the intent?

I think the intent was honorable. It just got out of hand.

[Zacha341]

^^^... The road to hell is paved with good [[well you know the rest)......

[Dan Wesson]

^^^... The road to hell is paved with good [[well you know the rest)......

Yes, Good intentions often go awry.

Exclusion meets Inclusion.

Exclusion is definitely not PC anymore.

Defacto segregation meets De Jure desegregation.

See post #9

[Dan Wesson]

Afrofuturism

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBH_enUS716US716&ei=phAmXfjoFZGztQb hwb2gCA&q=afrofuturism&oq=afrofuture&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0i71l2.0.0..71040...0.0..0.0.0.......0..... .gws-wiz.akbY1t62cZI

[jcole]

Rather than charge everyone the rate that makes it easier for low income people to attend the event, they'd rather make everyone suffer. For them, the show runners, to get more money.

So, why not just use the lower $10 price for everyone?

[Dan Wesson]

At least this whole thing has some people processing/ thinking/ talking and maybe we can see around-the-corner a bit before launching such attempts at redress of prejudice, racism and privilege!!

Hmmmmm it would seem that there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Well said Zacha.

Youthful exuberance for the cause.

I was like that once.

Got me in trouble too with the Man.

[Meddle]

Rather than charge everyone the rate that makes it easier for low income people to attend the event,

See, there it is. Others have skirted around it, but there it is in print. Who said POC are lower income than others?

[Meddle]

If it was income based [[Show your SNAP/EBT or Medicaid Cards) there would have been no problem. Or even residency based [[show proof of address).

[Zacha341]

^^^ Yep, I could get to that option [[income based). In that option you're providing the option for low income people to enjoy a concert, yet not excluding others based on race.

The race thing just does not work if for no other reason if the races were reversed it would be highly challenged.

I gather now some are saying the organizers, and others are angry that the 'white-supremacists' racists were outraged. But they weren't coming to the event anyway. Goodness......

[Zacha341]

Yep. In the interest of helping a group, the group is stereotyped.

Ah, the riddles of man... womankind too! Just to keep thing gender fair sorta!!

See, there it is. Others have skirted around it, but there it is in print. Who said POC are lower income than others?

[Zacha341]

Uh-oh I saw the word intersectionality come up! That might speak to some of the incoherence of the concerts pricing choice!

What were the organizers thinking?

Afrofuturism

https://www.google.com/search?

[Wesley Mouch]

I'm saying that giving advantages based on race is nothing new or unusual. It's also done in government contracts giving advantage to minority or women owned business.

True. This isn't hidden. It is policy. We seem to accept it as a good thing.

I believe that it mostly doesn't work. IMO, maybe 10% of contracts set-aside for minorities truly benefit minority contractors. When I was in that world, what I mostly saw were companies setup to take advantage of the 'set asides' -- and funnel the cash right back to the cronies. Only in a dream world do set-asides help their intended targets.

This 'rapper' just seems to be out to get her name in the papers.

I always wonder whether someone like this is sincere and really just wants to help, or is manipulative and publicity-seeking. Hard to tell. Today we celebrate those who fight racism using bigotry. So my guess is that they are sincere.

Doesn't matter. The result remains naive and destructive to their cause.

[Dan Wesson]

Uh-oh I saw the word intersectionality come up! That might speak to some of the incoherence of the concerts pricing choice!

What were the organizers thinking?

This their website...

https://www.alliedmedia.org/afrofuture-youth/people

https://www.alliedmedia.org/afrofutu...h/get-involved

[bartocktoo]

[QUOTE=Wesley Mouch;575362]True. This isn't hidden. It is policy. We seem to accept it as a good thing.

I believe that it mostly doesn't work. IMO, maybe 10% of contracts set-aside for minorities truly benefit minority contractors. When I was in that world, what I mostly saw were companies setup to take advantage of the 'set asides' -- and funnel the cash right back to the cronies. Only in a dream world do set-asides help their intended targets.


I always wonder whether someone like this is sincere and really just wants to help, or is manipulative and publicity-seeking. Hard to tell. Today we celebrate those who fight racism using bigotry. So my guess is that they are sincere.

Doesn't matter. The result remains naive and destructive to their cause.[/QUOTE


Sincere in helping or hurting who, and what is the cause? Is $10 going to change the lives of the 47 people that would attend, or hurt the 3 white people that would attend? Have you seen the map of this place? It's in a neighborhood. It looks like a place I might go to a BBQ or graduation party at. I said this was stupid before...in my opinion it's also a complete publicity stunt. And it was clearly effective in garnering publicity. So on second thought, maybe not that stupid...

[Wesley Mouch]

Sincere in helping or hurting who, and what is the cause? Is $10 going to change the lives of the 47 people that would attend, or hurt the 3 white people that would attend? Have you seen the map of this place? It's in a neighborhood. It looks like a place I might go to a BBQ or graduation party at. I said this was stupid before...in my opinion it's also a complete publicity stunt. And it was clearly effective in garnering publicity. So on second thought, maybe not that stupid...

We libertarians have a bad name these days. Live and let live is a forgotten concept -- everyone seems to be in favor of banning/canceling/control-of-others.

In this case, there's just no reason to care about what absurd things someone does -- unless there is direct harm. Nobody will be harmed by this little event's misguided policy. Let them have their intersectional fun, and leave them alone. Only when this kind of action moves up to 'public accomodations' should we care at all. Otherwise let others fly their fool flag.

[Zacha341]

I share some libertarian views until policy, politics, and behavior start to impact children/ teens. Then I have to push-back as I have worked with youth at the educational and career level. And related to family.

We libertarians have a bad name these days. Live and let live is a forgotten concept -- everyone seems to be in favor of banning/canceling/control-of-others.

[Richard]

Who knows maybe with the legalized weed everybody will get stoned,neked and run through the fields like one big happy family.

Until somebody starts changing admission to the fields according to ......

[Wesley Mouch]

The race thing just does not work if for no other reason if the races were reversed it would be highly challenged.

Racism against whites is by definition impossible .

OTOH, bigotry is equal-opportunity!

Racism is a systemic oppression by a race with power against a race that is oppressed. By that definition, the ticket pricing plan was not racist. It was however bigotry. Blacks cannot be racist because as a race they do not have power over whites.

[Seven&wyo]

^^Oh you're one of those people huh? Yeah, man fuck the dictionary. ..

"by definition" that made me laugh

[Dan Wesson]

Racism against whites is by definition impossible .

OTOH, bigotry is equal-opportunity!

Racism is a systemic oppression by a race with power against a race that is oppressed. By that definition, the ticket pricing plan was not racist. It was however bigotry. Blacks cannot be racist because as a race they do not have power over whites.

Bullshit definition you have there...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Raci...hrome&ie=UTF-8

[Dan Wesson]

That's spin Wes. That's control the narrative speak.

Way to many forms of racism to simply boil down to one definition.

Prejudice is what you speak of?

[jcole]

Actually, the organizers did; I watched them on TV saying that they were trying to make up for the pay inequity between black and white. I will try to see if I can find a clip of the woman organizer saying it. I think it was on Fox 2: They actually refer to it as the "wealth gap" between black and white:

About 1:10 into the video.
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/loca...-people-double

See, there it is. Others have skirted around it, but there it is in print. Who said POC are lower income than others?

[SammyS]

Racism against whites is by definition impossible .

OTOH, bigotry is equal-opportunity!

Racism is a systemic oppression by a race with power against a race that is oppressed. By that definition, the ticket pricing plan was not racist. It was however bigotry. Blacks cannot be racist because as a race they do not have power over whites.

Wouldn’t you say that in this case, blacks had power over whites since they were controlling the event?
PS. I’ve always enjoyed reading your posts and regard them rational and well constructed. In this case, I had to question it.

[Seven&wyo]

Also being the minority or majority are relative terms. If you're speaking about the the country then, yes they are the minority, but in the City of Detroit they are the vast majority. Detroit needs diversity of every kind in every way from ethinical to economical. Whenever I hear black people complain about an area not being as black as it used to be it annoys me. I know it's an unpopular opinion but black people could have made Detroit the first black controlled city and make it a beautiful place to live for everyone and the complete opposite happened.

[Dumpling]

Are you saying that Detroit is now no longer a black controlled city?
Exactly who, in your opinion, is controlling it now, and are these
newer parties causing a miraculous turnaround now that can be seen,
for example, at the intersection of Seven Mile and Wyoming? What is
the step by step process from the new measures that were in place
to the improvements at Seven Mile and Wyoming?

[[Being just a bit condescending and disingenuous for the sake of
the argument. Am white and a former City of Detroit employee
and am vested in the City of Detroit pension system and have
former coworkers who have sued to obtain payments for major
medical expenses, the City of Detroit not being like Generous
Motors in this particular regard any more. A former City of
Detroit coworker is on the Board of Police Commissioners
and does not agree with deploying facial recognition software
in Detroit at this time.)

[[I disagree with disparate pricing based on race, gender, etc.
It is okay to have separate seating areas with some seats [[say close
to the stage) having a higher price and others [[say to the sides)
having a much, much lower price. It is okay to have a lower price
but sell plenty of shirts, recordings, etc. or to request donations.)