Benton Harbor, ground zero of Whitmer’s troubling urban agenda

[Richard]

^ But yet

Average Salaries
According to the website numbeo.com, the average income of an American and a Canadian are approximately the same amount. Canada's after-tax monthly income is about $3,000 which totals around $36,000per year. The U.S. sits just below Canada at approximately $2,942 per month, or roughly $35,300 per year.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...rticle4617778/

So more is spent on education but without producing a noticeable difference outside of the cost of living in Canada is higher due to the tax rates to pay for it.

So even with our inability to get it right in education we are equal to our northern neighbors,in earning power,trying to make everybody geniuses in the future generation does not work because there is also a need non geniuses,who needs 325 million rocket scientists when you only have 6 rockets and nobody to fix the transport train when it breaks down.

Sorry bud but if the income levels were double of the US I would say okay but when top ranked school systems produce the same income levels as non top rated school systems but at a higher cost per pupil I would not be sure if it is a model to follow.

[Dumpling]

I'm not deeply familiar with things in Benton Harbor, but
there is a socialist website for Benton Harbor, composed
by Rev. Pinkney of Benton Harbor:

https://www.bhbanco.org/

The most recent two posts concern the proposed closing of the
high school. Two takeaways: looks like already about two thirds
of the students in Benton Harbor go to school out-of-district.
This is causing financial difficulties for the district that would
perhaps would not be as severe if all of the students attended
public schools in the district.

The second takeaway is that the land that the high school is
situated on may be becoming more valuable and increasingly
a target for redevelopment.

[Canadian Visitor]

^ But yet

Average Salaries
According to the website numbeo.com, the average income of an American and a Canadian are approximately the same amount. Canada's after-tax monthly income is about $3,000 which totals around $36,000per year. The U.S. sits just below Canada at approximately $2,942 per month, or roughly $35,300 per year.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...rticle4617778/

So more is spent on education but without producing a noticeable difference outside of the cost of living in Canada is higher due to the tax rates to pay for it.

So even with our inability to get it right in education we are equal to our northern neighbors,in earning power,trying to make everybody geniuses in the future generation does not work because there is also a need non geniuses,who needs 325 million rocket scientists when you only have 6 rockets and nobody to fix the transport train when it breaks down.

Sorry bud but if the income levels were double of the US I would say okay but when top ranked school systems produce the same income levels as non top rated school systems but at a higher cost per pupil I would not be sure if it is a model to follow.

Don't apologize for your flawed post, just retract it.

You compared all of Canada to all of the United States.

If one were to accept the link between income and education, for the purposes of this discussion. The correct comparison is Michigan to Ontario, though I advise I find the linkage here a bit tenuous.

But fine.

So let's have a look at the median hourly wage.

Ontario $27 CAD or 20.18USD
Michigan $18.08 USD

That's a difference of over 10%, before factoring in things like out-of-pocket health expenses differences.

Still pretty material.

But ya know, I think this is more about High School graduation rates, post-secondary attainment rates than it is hourly income.

https://www.theoaklandpress.com/news...19a8678d9.html

The Michigan rate seems to be 80%

http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/gettingResultsGrad.html

While Ontario's is 86%

One would find an even larger difference in post-secondary attainment rates.

Surely the point here is not the superiority or inferiority of one nation over another.

Its the difference in educational outcome between 2 highly comparable jurisdictions.

[archfan]

...
Money is not the answer. Restructuring how we do education seems necessary. So we need to experiment.

That's why I'm in favor of Charters. Not because they do things I like, or aren't unionized, or focus more on building character -- but because they are all experiments. Chances to try something different. And if they fail, they die.
...

Your charter school based on the teachings of Cthulu failed. No harm, no foul. Except for the one chance we had to educate those students is now gone. We need some middle ground between 'keep doing what we've always done' and 'anybody with half an idea can start a charter school'.

btw... The latest piece on reqlinquishment.org is about students left behind by charters. Recommended. https://relinquishment.org/2019/06/18/all-public-schools-traditional-and-charter-rising-in-newark/

Newark has 40% of students in charter schools. Detroit has over 50%. DPS should be doing fantastic, if this article is right.

[renf]

Financial information about Michigan school districts with as few as four students:

https://expo.mlive.com/news/g66l-201...bureau_detroit

[Wesley Mouch]

Your charter school based on the teachings of Cthulu failed. No harm, no foul. Except for the one chance we had to educate those students is now gone. We need some middle ground between 'keep doing what we've always done' and 'anybody with half an idea can start a charter school'.

If the public schools were educating students in Detroit at least reasonably well, your argument would be spot on. But we are losing the 'one chance' to education students each and every day. Failure is clearly common. We are already squandering our 'one chance' every day.

Sure, some parents will op for my Cthulu-centric school. And right now, some districts are trying the latest misuigded fad in education. At least with charters failure can come quickly. Where DPS lumbers on failing year after year.

Newark has 40% of students in charter schools. Detroit has over 50%. DPS should be doing fantastic, if this article is right.

Charter schools are not a commodity. Some are great. Some stink. Newark's Charters seem to be delivering, after years of failure. Detroit's Charters are clearly not.

The article does not imply that Charters are a magic wand that solves all educational problems. But here and there magic wands do seem to be appearing.

The article simply shows that Newark is finding a path to an educated urban population. They might not have found if there were no other options to the district monopoly.

Detroit [[and Michigan) Charters aren't producing results. With time they may.

I was quite shocked to hear the spokeswoman for the new DPS Foundation on Craig Fahle's show actually say that Charters do seem to be producing results now -- at least other than here in Michigan.

[archfan]

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Charter schools are not a commodity. Some are great. Some stink. Newark's Charters seem to be delivering, after years of failure. Detroit's Charters are clearly not.

The article does not imply that Charters are a magic wand that solves all educational problems. But here and there magic wands do seem to be appearing.

The article simply shows that Newark is finding a path to an educated urban population. They might not have found if there were no other options to the district monopoly.

Detroit [[and Michigan) Charters aren't producing results. With time they may.

I was quite shocked to hear the spokeswoman for the new DPS Foundation on Craig Fahle's show actually say that Charters do seem to be producing results now -- at least other than here in Michigan.

I read the article as saying that charter schools take pressure off the public schools, allowing the public schools to do better. Doesn't seem to be the case here.

[archfan]

Financial information about Michigan school districts with as few as four students:

https://expo.mlive.com/news/g66l-201...bureau_detroit

I see Detroit isn't in the the top 75 of per-pupil spending.