Oh Oh! A Nazi Rally in Downtown Detroit

[Richard]

^ there ya go a little creative thinking never hurt lol

The thing is,they are out in the open and the feds know what they are going to do before most of them do.

Its the ones hiding in the shadows with backpacks and planes that have shown to be more concerning.

Its kinda like the street corner preacher with a megaphone,you just say,yes have a nice day and keep on walking.

[gvidas]

Richard, I brought up the book burnings to connect the Nazi rally last week with the long history of Nazi violence against LGBTQ people. I make this connection to emphasize that their words are not empty or harmless. The sticks and stones rhyme is useless in the best of cases, because bullying DOES cause harm. But it is especially obtuse if the person who is yelling words that 'will never hurt me' is also carrying sticks and stones. The words, in that case, are an indication of what they would like to do to me with the sticks and stones as soon as they think they can get away with it. Ignoring them is foolish. And yes, so is being intimidated by them. The correct thing to do is to stop them.

We don't need new laws to do this. We just need to look clearly enough to see who is being harmed, and who is causing harm; and who has power, and who is disenfranchised. And then we need to stop conflating the demands of the oppressed with the violent rhetoric of oppressors, and stop suggesting that it is impossible to correct an imbalance of power without immediately tipping to the opposite extreme.

[Richard]

It’s a moot point,325 million Americans support 72 countries where homosexuality is illegal.

Article 106 of the Criminal Law of the People Republic of China says, “All hooliganism should be subjected to arrest and sentence." In practice, homosexual activity has been included in “hooliganism." In the 1990s, even the small sample of letters received b Fang-fu Ruan, M.D. contained a report of a man who received a five-year jail term for homosexuality.

325 million Americans financially support China with billions of dollars but yet protest in America when a bakery refuses to sell a cake to a gay couple.

To say nazis are bad because they are against gays is hypocritical when one turns around and financially and politically supports countries that prefers all gays dead.

That like saying,I would not financially support the nazis but if they changed thier name to China, I will fill my house with their products in support.

[nailhed]

Our laws already set limits on "free speech" when it causes harm. What we're failing to do here is recognize the violence and the harm because they're wrapping it in the thinnest of lies.

Thank you for seeing through the BS and apathy.

The fact of the matter is that DPD had foreknowledge of these Nazis coming to town with the intent to start "Charleston 2", in other words, a bloodbath. That's probable cause right there. When the Nazis showed up with guns, that's a slam-dunk arrest...but instead of arresting them on suspicion of inciting a riot, they were given escort while they committed further infractions, like urinating in public and disturbing the peace.

So that's why I am so ardently questioning the decision to spend tax-funded police manpower on guarding Nazis. No one seems to be able to grasp that however, and we are lost in a fog of ButWhatAboutisms, which just goes to show how many regular people in America are ok with Nazism. [[All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.)

[Richard]

Yes as we see here they are a dangerous bunch taking action.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...gs/1373342001/

A 18-year-old Detroit man was arraigned Friday in connection with the slayings of three members of the city's LGBTQ community, prosecutors said.

Ya think he was a nazi ?

Like I posted,its the ones that you cannot see that pose the threat.

[archfan]

It’s a moot point,325 million Americans support 72 countries where homosexuality is illegal.

Article 106 of the Criminal Law of the People Republic of China says, “All hooliganism should be subjected to arrest and sentence." In practice, homosexual activity has been included in “hooliganism." In the 1990s, even the small sample of letters received b Fang-fu Ruan, M.D. contained a report of a man who received a five-year jail term for homosexuality.
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You might want to update your records, especially your research into article 106. It sounds like China is about where the US was in the 90's:

Same-sex sexual activity has been legal in China since 1997. Additionally, in 2001, homosexuality was declassified as a mental illness. Same-sex couples are unable to marry or adopt, and households headed by such couples are ineligible for the same legal protections available to opposite-sex couples.

Wikipedia

[Honky Tonk]

You might want to update your records, especially your research into article 106. It sounds like China is about where the US was in the 90's:

Same-sex sexual activity has been legal in China since 1997. Additionally, in 2001, homosexuality was declassified as a mental illness. Same-sex couples are unable to marry or adopt, and households headed by such couples are ineligible for the same legal protections available to opposite-sex couples.

Wikipedia

On paper, that really looks good.

[Richard]

^ That is why Hong Kong is up in protest.

China is implementing extradition policies,no matter who you are,even Americans,you can be arrested and extradited back to China for prosecution ,they do not have to have a reason or file charges first.

My guess with all of thier new facilities in China for re-education they are looking to fill them up.

I do not agree with the mindset of the nazis but that mindset is very real across the globe and intrenched in governments,in order to eradicate one must become them and utilize the same mindset.

Outside of that the only thing we can really do is what DPD did and the feds do everyday,keep a close eye on them and be proactive.

The world is and always has been filled with hate,nobody has removed it in thousands of years and you will never regulate it out of existence without a negative result and opening Pandora’s box.

As to the argument of useing taxpayers funds to separate groups,name one rally or protest in the history of the country where the police were not involved,DPD was there,they did what they were supposed to do and everybody went home,we enjoy freedoms in this country like very few countries do,giving up those freedoms comes with not very desirable results.

[JBMcB]

We don't need new laws to do this. We just need to look clearly enough to see who is being harmed, and who is causing harm; and who has power, and who is disenfranchised.

If this is the case, you need to *clearly* connect what in their proposal for a demonstration would fall under the narrow limits to freedom of expression as set out by jurisprudence or constitutionally limited statute.

In other words, what *exactly* was wrong with their proposal that would trigger a prior restraint of their free speech rights? If you are saying existing law covers this, what is the statute or controlling case law that covers this situation? Keep in mind, the supreme court takes a *very* dim view of prior-restraint.

[Meddle]

And yet, all over the south, they fly that orange thing openly. I see little difference.

[Richard]

^ well the state fruit,for Florida anyways, is the Orange,so yea lots of orange things flying about.

I have been in the south over 40 years and as of yet seen or heard of a nazi or kkk rally,or maybe I just do not pay it no mind,but then again we have stand your ground laws which makes it much harder to intimidate somebody when they can actually shoot back if they feel thier life is being threatened.

You also have to take into account a majority in the south,are from the north.

[dbc]

I have been in the south over 40 years and as of yet seen or heard of a nazi or kkk rally,or maybe I just do not pay it no mind,but then again we have stand your ground laws which makes it much harder to intimidate somebody when they can actually shoot back if they feel thier life is being threatened.

You also have to take into account a majority in the south,are from the north.[/QUOTE]

What??? These are just what I found within the last four years and I'm willing to bet the farm there were just a tad more during the last 40.

- Newnan, GA: Neo-Nazi rally [[April 2018)
- Drake, GA: Swastika burning [[April 2018)
- Nashville, TN: Identity Evropa demonstration [[March 2018)
- Burns, TN: Identity Evropa conference [[March 2018)
- Tallahassee, FL: League of the South rally [[Jan. 2018)
- Charlottesville, VA: Identity Evropa demo.[[Oct. 2017)
- Houston, TX: Daily Stormer protest [[Sept. 2017)
- Charlottesville, VA: Unite the Right [[August 2017)
- Charlottesville, VA: Identity Evropa et al. protest [[July 2017)
- Columbia, SC: KKK protest [[January 2015)

Also, what are you talking about that most people in the south come from the north? Huh??

[Richard]

^ where do you come up with these counter discussions? Seriously.

Outside of the well publicized Charlottesville one,what was the level of violence in the other 8 in four years ?

Like I posted,I do not follow them or pay them any mind so as far as I know they could be having one right now.

The last KKK gran duke I met was over 10 years ago,I went with my X wife’s nephew,who’s wife’s grandma had passed and left the furniture to her.

So we hopped into a uhaul and trucked up to the hills of Alabama,would you not know it right next door lived the gran duke,he came over and helped us load the Uhaul then his wife fixed us some vittles afterwards.

So there we sat eating dinner and sipping shine,a Puerto Rican and his mixed race wife,a mixed Jew and a gran duke of the KKK.

People are people and not singular representation of the entire group,I believe in God atheists do not,I do not feel the urge to ban them or prevent them from believing in what they do,people do not like nazis but act no different then them,just because they are not wearing a swastica it does not meen they have a different mindset of eliminating everybody and thing that they do not agree with.

With your search skills as you have demonstrated,the migration of people from the north and the amount of is highly documented and not rocket science to figure out.

Florida alone 1000 per day 365,000 per year,in the 80s when I moved here it was 3000 a day.1,095,000 per year.

So yes outside of small Deep South towns the majority in the south is from the north.

But now that’s becoming a toss up between coming from the northern states of America or South America.

So there is really no Hugh about it.

[dbc]

Given the entirety of your post -- not seeing a nazi or kkk rally in the south over the past 40 years, stand your ground laws, more northerners than southerners -- it is a reasonable inference that you were suggesting such rallies don't occur in the south or that transplanted northerners are somehow responsible for that and/or the "orange thing openly" flying. I simply called BS but correct me if I missed your point.

Also, I still think you are wrong about northerners accounting for a "majority" of the south. According to this 2014 article from the New York Times, none of the 14 southern states -- using the census definition but excluding MD and DC -- has a majority of it's citizens born in the Midwest and Northeast. Even Florida, where 11% were born in the Midwest and 19% in the Northeast, has 36% of its residents born in Florida, 9% in other southern states, and 21% born outside the U.S. Virginia has 49% of its residents born there and 10% born in other Southern states. Every other southern state has at least 55% of its residents born in that state.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...668491&gwt=pay

[Meddle]

So there is really no Hugh about it.

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[JBMcB]

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Obscure reference for the win

[Richard]

[QUOTE=dbc;573906]Given the entirety of your post -- not seeing a nazi or kkk rally in the south over the past 40 years, stand your ground laws, more northerners than southerners -- it is a reasonable inference that you were suggesting such rallies don't occur in the south or that transplanted northerners are somehow responsible for that and/or the "orange thing openly" flying. I simply called BS but correct me if I missed your point.


You created Senairos in your mind that did not exist,as a reference kinda like when the current president was elected the call was it was the end of the world,but yet here we still are.

Orange things flying,we are the orange state so we fly or some fly flags with oranges on,that is the only orange flag that I am aware of,unless you guys use that for some kind of code speak.

Meddle brought it up with the orange flag thing,so I am sure it has to be something nefarious related.

Stand your ground,we have rally’s of all kinds and the only time you hear of them is if there is violence involved,anti fa and those types know better to start crap or play the bully game because when people shoot back it kinda takes the fun out of being a bully.

Everybody that moves does not rent a Uhaul,hire a real estate agent etc which is where they get the statistics,I am a northerner by birth,my children were born in VA and Fla so they would be southerners,but living here I would say 1 in 5 that I meet are actually born in this state,and yes the north is a lot more racist then the south and if somebody is filled with hate up north they are going to carry that with them along with the whole inability to use turn signals.

210,000 babies born in fla per year,365,000 to 1,000,000 plus moving to Florida every year,so yea the math.