Detroit Michigan needs Competency

**Richard** · May-12-19, 11:53 PM

You should not be so judgmental of people,and try a little reading comprehension.

Next time you pay at a cashier and the bill is $13.52 hand them $14.00 and two pennies and see how many strange looks you get.

People hire illegals by the 1000s,they are mostly illiterate and do not even speak the same language.

There is a saying in the used car industry,there is an a** for every seat.

If you do a little research there were a lot of illiterate inventors that changed the way we live and do things,heck I have been called an idiot and illiterate on this site but yet I have people waiting 90 days to hire me,being an illiterate idiot actually pays quite well.

So that is the choice keep saying everybody is illiterate or do something to change it.But you can not force somebody to change,you can provide opportunities to those who want to,the rest fall by the wayside,that is thier personal choice,just like it always has been,there is nothing you can do to help them.

Saying you want intelligent people in the region is subjective,lots of people are intelligent at one thing but worthless when it comes to anything else,sometimes even at the simplest of things.

It does not make anybody better or less of a person,people are different and provide different levels.

**O3H** · May-13-19, 09:24 AM

I'll judge what I like thank you - especially if it involves my taxes.
Michigan has had an abominable education system and is in sad shape.
NOT pushing that bar of excellence higher and higher has left us in a lurch.

High School was super duper easy and people made a BIG deal for graduation with HUGE parties for their kids like they accomplished something.

A massive amount of High School seniors are woefully UNprepared on multiple levels for university/college - academically, financially and socially - resulting in a much greater risk of dropping out. Good habits start early in life. Showing up on time, actually doing the work assigned, discipline, tenacity, perseverance, believing in yourself.

**Richard** · May-13-19, 10:19 AM

Well,you could always hook up with Samatha and she could twinkle her nose and everything would be fixed in a flash,or shock the world and post something positive happening,instead of the sky is falling.

**Honky Tonk** · May-13-19, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by O3H

I'll judge what I like thank you - especially if it involves my taxes.
Michigan has had an abominable education system and is in sad shape.
NOT pushing that bar of excellence higher and higher has left us in a lurch.

High School was super duper easy and people made a BIG deal for graduation with HUGE parties for their kids like they accomplished something.

A massive amount of High School seniors are woefully UNprepared on multiple levels for university/college - academically, financially and socially - resulting in a much greater risk of dropping out. Good habits start early in life. Showing up on time, actually doing the work assigned, discipline, tenacity, perseverance, believing in yourself.

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink..." Even if it's Perrier. It's an old adage. [[I took some artistic liberties with the last line) I think your angst is being misdirected, for one. For two, your mixing apples and oranges. You're blaming construction, rain run-offs, and who knows what else on MI's dismal competancy. There is some truth in what you're saying, though. Most people's focus IS on the wrong stuff.

**Honky Tonk** · May-13-19, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Richard

Next time you pay at a cashier and the bill is $13.52 hand them $14.00 and two pennies and see how many strange looks you get.

The look you're referring to is "panic", usually followed be shaking, then change being dropped on the floor. The next time you're in line @ the same place, the register light gets turned off.

**bartocktoo** · May-13-19, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by O3H

I'll judge what I like thank you - especially if it involves my taxes.
Michigan has had an abominable education system and is in sad shape.
NOT pushing that bar of excellence higher and higher has left us in a lurch.

High School was super duper easy and people made a BIG deal for graduation with HUGE parties for their kids like they accomplished something.

A massive amount of High School seniors are woefully UNprepared on multiple levels for university/college - academically, financially and socially - resulting in a much greater risk of dropping out. Good habits start early in life. Showing up on time, actually doing the work assigned, discipline, tenacity, perseverance, believing in yourself.

Well, if folks from the outside are judging the competency of our great area by the quality and content of your posts, they have a right to question the competency of our area.

**O3H** · May-13-19, 07:26 PM

Perhaps those outsiders should look at :

Detroit Metro Area [[MI)
Percent with an associate's degree	8.20%
College Graduation Rate	28.10%
Percent with a graduate or professional degree	11.00%
High School Graduation Rate	88.20%
Percent who did not finish the 9th grade	3.70%

It clearly shows a region of Intelligent Geniuses ready for Hire.
No wonder major corporations avoid the area like it has Ebola.
A high school diploma gets you diddly boo in real life circumstances.

Michigan would do well to invest in People.
Great people come from great systems.

I'm not impressed by someone that can make change at a register.
It's expected, not something to be commended, or applauded.

NO ONE should be proud , it showed the region failed, miserably.
Money squandered, time wasted, and children basically thrown away.
But we got that Qline and a new skyscraper going up.....uh huh, YEP !!!

**Honky Tonk** · May-13-19, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by O3H

Perhaps those outsiders should look at :

Detroit Metro Area [[MI)
Percent with an associate's degree	8.20%
College Graduation Rate	28.10%
Percent with a graduate or professional degree	11.00%
High School Graduation Rate	88.20%
Percent who did not finish the 9th grade	3.70%

It clearly shows a region of Intelligent Geniuses ready for Hire.
No wonder major corporations avoid the area like it has Ebola.
A high school diploma gets you diddly boo in real life circumstances.

Michigan would do well to invest in People.
Great people come from great systems.

I'm not impressed by someone that can make change at a register.
It's expected, not something to be commended, or applauded.

NO ONE should be proud , it showed the region failed, miserably.
Money squandered, time wasted, and children basically thrown away.
But we got that Qline and a new skyscraper going up.....uh huh, YEP !!!

Again, you're bitching about a problem but offering no solution. "Michigan would do well to invest in People." What does that mean? What do skyscrapers and blight rails have to do with lack of education?

**O3H** · May-13-19, 09:24 PM

Detroit is focusing on the wrong thing to get it out of its slump.

Try this on. Educated people make money, start businesses, pay tax.
Rinse repeat the cycle for a few decades and something wonderful occurs.
A place where people want to be, enjoy living, and it perpetuates itself.

Ann Arbor, Michigan ranks as the most educated city in the United States

STOP allowing the failures. Accountability, hold peoples feet to the fire !!!
Beyond Basics, [[a literacy organization) estimates that 93 %
of the 50,000 children in the Detroit Public Schools Community District [[DPSCD) are years behind their grade level in what they can read and comprehend.
Many can’t read at all.

Detroit is firmly at the bottom of the 27 urban districts
measured by the National Assessment of Educational Progress, a federal test.

This test of reading and math skills is given every other year
to fourth- and eighth-grade students.

Since 2009, when the federal government began comparing the largest districts,
Detroit students have consistently posted the lowest scores
—often by a wide margin.

Society allows it happen, apathy, lack of anger, lack of consequences.
Time to fire people, yank their credentials, shame them publicly.
Ever read a headline ""Entire School Board FIRED, no unemployment"" go home.
Why not, why aren't people out for blood, a ton of flesh, retribution ?????
Radical change is needed, or Detroit will never change.

It is not a funding problem.
DPSCD spent about $15,000 per student, including all state, local, and federal

Let me back that all up - because it's not just me saying it ---
- https://www.weeklystandard.com/ingri...troits-schools

Break the cycle - of a person learning just enough to put a part on a hook - Big 3

**Honky Tonk** · May-13-19, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by O3H

Detroit is focusing on the wrong thing to get it out of its slump.

Try this on. Educated people make money, start businesses, pay tax.
Rinse repeat the cycle for a few decades and something wonderful occurs.
A place where people want to be, enjoy living, and it perpetuates itself.

Ann Arbor, Michigan ranks as the most educated city in the United States

STOP allowing the failures. Accountability, hold peoples feet to the fire !!!
Beyond Basics, [[a literacy organization) estimates that 93 %
of the 50,000 children in the Detroit Public Schools Community District [[DPSCD) are years behind their grade level in what they can read and comprehend.
Many can’t read at all.

Detroit is firmly at the bottom of the 27 urban districts
measured by the National Assessment of Educational Progress, a federal test.

This test of reading and math skills is given every other year
to fourth- and eighth-grade students.

Since 2009, when the federal government began comparing the largest districts,
Detroit students have consistently posted the lowest scores
—often by a wide margin.

Society allows it happen, apathy, lack of anger, lack of consequences.
Time to fire people, yank their credentials, shame them publicly.
Ever read a headline ""Entire School Board FIRED, no unemployment"" go home.
Why not, why aren't people out for blood, a ton of flesh, retribution ?????
Radical change is needed, or Detroit will never change.

It is not a funding problem.
DPSCD spent about $15,000 per student, including all state, local, and federal

Let me back that all up - because it's not just me saying it ---
- https://www.weeklystandard.com/ingri...troits-schools

Break the cycle - of a person learning just enough to put a part on a hook - Big 3

By golly, you're right 03H! I'm going to break that cycle today!

**Worldsgreatest** · May-14-19, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Again, you're bitching about a problem but offering no solution. "Michigan would do well to invest in People." What does that mean? What do skyscrapers and blight rails have to do with lack of education?

There's barely even problem. all those stats are above us averages and pretty on par with most metro areas. Detroit area still has good job growth this year despite big factory job cuts so this alarmism clutching pearls is unwarranted.

**archfan** · May-14-19, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by O3H

...STOP allowing the failures. Accountability, hold peoples feet to the fire !!!
...

So how do you suggest we do that? What would be your first action?

**313WX** · May-14-19, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by O3H

Perhaps those outsiders should look at :

Detroit Metro Area [[MI)
Percent with an associate's degree	8.20%
College Graduation Rate	28.10%
Percent with a graduate or professional degree	11.00%
High School Graduation Rate	88.20%
Percent who did not finish the 9th grade	3.70%

It clearly shows a region of Intelligent Geniuses ready for Hire.
No wonder major corporations avoid the area like it has Ebola.
A high school diploma gets you diddly boo in real life circumstances.

Michigan would do well to invest in People.
Great people come from great systems.

I'm not impressed by someone that can make change at a register.
It's expected, not something to be commended, or applauded.

NO ONE should be proud , it showed the region failed, miserably.
Money squandered, time wasted, and children basically thrown away.
But we got that Qline and a new skyscraper going up.....uh huh, YEP !!!

Can you please provide a link to your stats?

EDIT: Never mind, I found it.

https://www.opendatanetwork.com/enti...compare-entity

**Honky Tonk** · May-14-19, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by 313WX

Can you please provide a link to your stats?

EDIT: Never mind, I found it.

https://www.opendatanetwork.com/enti...compare-entity

According to that link, the Detroit-Metro Area seems to be above the National average.

**313WX** · May-14-19, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

According to that link, the Detroit-Metro Area seems to be above the National average.

That's what it shows.

**O3H** · May-14-19, 08:51 AM

Why would anyone be proud :

of a fact that only 28% finish University ?
that 50,000 kids in the city don't read proficiently ?

If Detroit wants to attract """"the good jobs""""" - that doesn't cut it.

We still have this to contend with :
https://www.detroityes.com/mb/showth...-Highland-Park

No large business wants these folks as employees

Almost half of Detroit’s working-age residents aren’t even looking for a job
— at 53.4 percent, it's the lowest workforce participation rate
in the nation and a symptom of poverty and poor educational attainment.

John Gallagher, Detroit Free Press Published 8:00 a.m. ET June 8, 2018

The entire nation looks at Detroit and goes UUUUGGGGGHHHHH !!!!
They don't go Wow, Neat, Great, Wonderful skyscraper, QLine, Arena.
The nation sees Detroit for what it is, UNeducated UNdisciplined derelicts

https://infogram.com/labor-force-par...h984wnj3mlg4p3

**Seven&wyo** · May-14-19, 09:06 AM

Here's every O3H post in a nutshell.
O3H: HERE ARE A BUNCH OF GENERIC PROBLEMS EFFECTING THE EVERY CITY IN THE COUNTRY!!!!
Everyone else: Cool, what do you propose we do that hasn't already been talked about?
O3H: STOP BEING A BUNCH OF SHEEPEOPLE. IM "Woke" YOURE NOT!!!

.....you're welcome

**O3H** · May-14-19, 11:53 AM

So let's focus on arena's [[Illitch), Eastern Market [[Sanford Nelson)
the Tigers, Piston and Wings loosing a bit too often , and a QLine that kind of, sort of functions. By the way a new restaurant with white tablecloths opened up. Oh and that Hudsons site has construction, yawn.

Yeah, the important stuff, regurgitated ad nauseum.

Who will cut and the paste the next Craigs article, wait for it, wait for it, be patient now, it'll happen soon...........

Who calls the kettle black, lives in a glass house, makes invisible clothes for an emperor of local cities, and wears rose colored glasses Speak Up.

Who holds that BS Architect degree from U of D - for $40,000 - a year. ?
They must be everywhere on this forum, right ? Thousands of them all around, designing, scheming, self funding, boot strapping, making Detroit the come back city. Introduce yourselfs, lets get to know you'all.

**Seven&wyo** · May-14-19, 12:34 PM

You don't sound insecure at all..

**Honky Tonk** · May-14-19, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by O3H

So let's focus on arena's [[Illitch), Eastern Market [[Sanford Nelson)
the Tigers, Piston and Wings loosing a bit too often , and a QLine that kind of, sort of functions. By the way a new restaurant with white tablecloths opened up. Oh and that Hudsons , site has construction, yawn.

Just to be fair to everyone else, the name of the site IS DetroitYES!

**O3H** · May-14-19, 01:42 PM

You are the bright one in the pack Donkey Talk.

How do we get there , to the YES land , the land of all that is good ?

Ignorance can be educated, crazy can be medicated.
What's the cure for stupid ? Detroit has it in spades

When the tendency is to repeat foolish, ineffective, or self-destructive behavior,
you are in the realm of stupid.

**Honky Tonk** · May-14-19, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by O3H

You are the bright one in the pack Donkey Talk.How do we get there , to the YES land , the land of all that is good ?

Ignorance can be educated, crazy can be medicated. What's the cure for stupid ? Detroit has it in spadesWhen the tendency is to repeat foolish, ineffective, or self-destructive behavior, you are in the realm of stupid.

Maybe it's time you erected that pup tent, 03H, I'm sure you'll feel better after.

**O3H** · May-14-19, 06:42 PM

Never served, don't do ""pup tents""
Only those with dog tags get called pups

People want Detroit to thrive, but are unwilling to see the forest for the trees

**Hermod** · May-14-19, 07:45 PM

I can understand what O3H is saying, though somewhat ineffectually. Detroit Public Schools were once the standout in the state. Because of their size, they could offer programs that none of the suburban [[then mostly country) districts could provide. Parents in Oakland and Macomb Counties used to pay tuition to get their kids into Detroit schools. The last seventy years have seen DPS steadily circling the drain.

Comparison: I went to Andrew Jackson Intermediate School and Denby High School. Both schools had excellent gymnasia and swimming pools. Both had extensive vocational shops, mechanical drawing academies, and Denby had beautiful science laboratories.

In 1954 as I was finishing the 9th grade, my parents moved to Rochester. Rochester High School [[and junior high combined) was a conglomeration of classrooms erected over the years when money was available. The gym/auditorium was dismal. There was no swimming pool. All vocational facilities were tucked away in the basement of an adjoining elementary school and were truly awful. One shop was in an unused coal bin. The range of curriculum offerings was very limited.

1954 to date, Rochester has become one of the better systems in the metro area and Detroit has gone to the pits.

**Seven&wyo** · May-14-19, 08:06 PM

I'm not saying Mr.3H doesn't have a point I'm just making fun of the juvenile way he's presenting it as if we weren't aware. I agree DPS obviously needs A LOT of work, but so does the entire public American education system. From public schooling to how we think about and pay for higher education there needs to be a change which can't be argued against. I think it was either Detnews or the Freep that had an article that said that DPS was on course for it's 5 year plan and that Superintendent Vitti is in talks with Giv. Whitmer regarding the money DPS needs to fix up the schools. The Detroit that many people on this forum knew is dead and gone it's about looking forward and hopefully learning from the mistakes if the past.