Don't buy a car - Live in Detroit anyways

**O3H** · February-11-19, 09:53 AM

The paradigm shift has started.
Detroit is no longer The Car place for many

https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...it/2802906002/

**401don** · February-11-19, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by O3H

The paradigm shift has started.
Detroit is no longer The Car place for many

https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...it/2802906002/

Is that based on the crowded sidewalk behind the guy in the picture?

**Scottathew** · February-11-19, 10:52 AM

I'm disappointed the article doesn't cover bus transit. He mentions the qLine and completely ignores that DDOT and SMART have routes the fully cover the QLINE route and SMART can even take you all the way to Pontiac. Also, the buses are faster and more frequent than the QLINE.

**SammyS** · February-11-19, 11:14 AM

Although I’m in the industry, I totally agree that Detroit needs alternatives to actually owning such an expensive asset that’s utilized for a few hours a day at best. Autonomous vehicles are a few years away and could provide the answer. In the meantime, Michigan’s rediculous Insurance premiums need to be resolved.

**O3H** · February-11-19, 12:06 PM

Sort of like how everyone buys BIG TRUCKS but leaves them empty
90% of the time in parking lots, garages, etc.

I get an 8ft piece of 2 x 4 into my Pontiac Vibe and close the hatch.
If I need more stuff, I have it delivered, or rent a truck for 1 day only.
The idiocy of rolling around in an empty big ass school bus chassis is odd.

For those that read, and keep up on the news
http://www.secondwavemedia.com/featu...ty-020518.aspx

No car - go Maven
https://www.maven.com/us/en/detroit-...tion-locations

**Scottathew** · February-11-19, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by O3H

I get an 8ft piece of 2 x 4 into my Pontiac Vibe and close the hatch.
If I need more stuff, I have it delivered, or rent a truck for 1 day only.
The idiocy of rolling around in an empty big ass school bus chassis is odd.

This is a point I've tried to drive home again and again with my friends. I've got a lot of friends that have households pulling in 100-200K, and they live paycheck to paycheck because they piss all their money away, including on stupid things like trucks. I ask them why, and they make up some scenario that maybe would come up once every few years.

My family recently downsized from a minivan to a Honda CRV [[used, of course). I still take the bus from Troy to my job in downtown Detroit just for the convenience of not driving and also to keep the abuse of our roads off my car.

My wife recently got a new job in Pontiac, which cuts her commute in half. We bought a used sedan for her commute.

In the next few years I may entertain becoming a stay-at-home dad. If I end up in that scenario I really want to sell off a car and use my bike for most of my needs around town.

**O3H** · February-11-19, 03:30 PM

Ever wonder why people put up with car parking payments

https://en.parkopedia.com/parking/de...g=201902111730

**softailrider** · February-11-19, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by 48307

This is a point I've tried to drive home again and again with my friends. I've got a lot of friends that have households pulling in 100-200K, and they live paycheck to paycheck because they piss all their money away, including on stupid things like trucks. I ask them why, and they make up some scenario that maybe would come up once every few years.

My family recently downsized from a minivan to a Honda CRV [[used, of course). I still take the bus from Troy to my job in downtown Detroit just for the convenience of not driving and also to keep the abuse of our roads off my car.

My wife recently got a new job in Pontiac, which cuts her commute in half. We bought a used sedan for her commute.

In the next few years I may entertain becoming a stay-at-home dad. If I end up in that scenario I really want to sell off a car and use my bike for most of my needs around town.

Good luck with that bike idea in January and February around here.

**O3H** · February-11-19, 11:20 PM

ahhh your balls aren't big enough SoftTail, just nut up and go

https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...king/21230943/

**Zacha341** · February-12-19, 02:17 AM

I prefer driving. I'm in the recycle mode to that end driving used cars all my life. I know there are some new progressives that want all cars and planes removed. Course they will have theirs.

**Hermod** · February-12-19, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

I prefer driving. I'm in the recycle mode to that end driving used cars all my life. I know there are some new progressives that want all cars and planes removed. Course they will have theirs.

The nomenklatura have needs that the masses don't

**Pat001** · February-12-19, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by Hermod

The nomenklatura have needs that the masses don't

They'll keep their luxuries. They just want YOU to live in the stone age so that THEY can claim the credit for "saving the planet."

**Zacha341** · February-12-19, 07:24 AM

^^^ How progressive, so it must be good, virtuous, and without question. Indeed!

Don't get me wrong, I believe in measures towards sustaining our planet and resources. I do my part where I can.

But, I also KNOW that extreme policies, enforcements, and wealth redistribution will be born on the backs of our poorest.

Not the policy makers, elite.

**softailrider** · February-12-19, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by O3H

ahhh your balls aren't big enough SoftTail, just nut up and go

https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...king/21230943/

I enjoy cycling very much [[ Cannondale with a Lefty ) if its 40, not much wind and no ice I might go out for a ride. I'm not riding to work any time of the year, in this type of weather, you got to be pretty hard core.

**Bham1982** · February-12-19, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by 48307

In the next few years I may entertain becoming a stay-at-home dad. If I end up in that scenario I really want to sell off a car and use my bike for most of my needs around town.

I think it's cool you want to be a stay-at-home dad, but you will likely be the only dad in Troy tooling around the blizzards on a bike. You're gonna take the baby to WalMart by bike on a day like today?

Why live somewhere like Troy if you don't want to use cars? Troy is like 1000% car-oriented. It's almost municipal law to require two large SUVs in every household.

**O3H** · February-12-19, 12:36 PM

It costs around, approximately, estimate of $3,000 a year for a car
---with around $1,000 of that being gasoline purchases.
Figure in registration, plates, insurance, maintenance, etc.
Four brand new Tires are damn near impossible to get under $400

MANY would love an extra $3,000 in their pocket.

Yearly Depreciation is brutal , AAA estimates on it
Small sedans–$2,114
Small SUVs–$2,840
Minivans–$3,839
Electric vehicles–$5,704
The higher the price, the greater depreciation $ amount in any year.

People need to wake up to the 2020+ realities of the Detroit area
There are THOUSANDS of UN-employed people, today, right now.
Many others are in that $20,000 - $30,000 a year income bracket.
A car is a burden, a monkey on the back, a money pit, for families.

**Honky Tonk** · February-12-19, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

I know there are some new progressives that want all cars and planes removed. Course they will have theirs.

That's different.They have a real need for those things, not like the rest of us.

**Honky Tonk** · February-12-19, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by O3H

It costs around, approximately, estimate of $3,000 a year for a car
---with around $1,000 of that being gasoline purchases.
Figure in registration, plates, insurance, maintenance, etc.
Four brand new Tires are damn near impossible to get under $400

MANY would love an extra $3,000 in their pocket.

Yearly Depreciation is brutal , AAA estimates on it
Small sedans–$2,114
Small SUVs–$2,840
Minivans–$3,839
Electric vehicles–$5,704
The higher the price, the greater depreciation $ amount in any year.

People need to wake up to the 2020+ realities of the Detroit area
There are THOUSANDS of UN-employed people, today, right now.
Many others are in that $20,000 - $30,000 a year income bracket.
A car is a burden, a monkey on the back, a money pit, for families.

Staggering numbers. Give it up, seriously, if you can do without. But don't come to me looking to subsidize pie-in-the-sky mass transit schemes that aren't working. I'm tired of watching three types of bus lines running around nearly or totally empty.

**Bham1982** · February-12-19, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by O3H

It costs around, approximately, estimate of $3,000 a year for a car

MANY would love an extra $3,000 in their pocket.

Better yet, ditch the house. Living in a tent could save 10x that, and think of the environmental benefits.

**Zacha341** · February-12-19, 01:10 PM

^^^ Or alternatively, you don't REALLY need all that room in your house. Live in a tiny apartment. You're being wasteful!

**Zacha341** · February-12-19, 01:20 PM

Gotta LOVE blanket statements - from the law makers particularly! I say let the politicians live by their edicts and broad sweeping laws, the far left ones and the far right. I trust neither.

Everyone and not all families are alike! Every situation is different. People purchase at different levels last I checked. Not driving and standing in the dark waiting alone in the dark AM hours for a bus would be burden for me; not having the access I have with a car would be burden to my family.

I own used cars I CAN AFFORD. I work hard to have the basics. Nothing lavish, or conspicuous. I don't need a politician or lawmaker telling me otherwise - then boarding their jet from their limo to their own big foot, high resource consumption home. Nope.

I always say if you don't like or want a car, don't own one. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by O3H

A car is a burden, a monkey on the back, a money pit, for families.

**dtowncitylover** · February-12-19, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Staggering numbers. Give it up, seriously, if you can do without. But don't come to me looking to subsidize pie-in-the-sky mass transit schemes that aren't working. I'm tired of watching three types of bus lines running around nearly or totally empty.

Please, tell us more about how transit "isn't working" when the state of our roads clearly shows how broken that shit is.

#banallcars

**Richard** · February-12-19, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by O3H

It costs around, approximately, estimate of $3,000 a year for a car
---with around $1,000 of that being gasoline purchases.
Figure in registration, plates, insurance, maintenance, etc.
Four brand new Tires are damn near impossible to get under $400

MANY would love an extra $3,000 in their pocket.

Yearly Depreciation is brutal , AAA estimates on it
Small sedans–$2,114
Small SUVs–$2,840
Minivans–$3,839
Electric vehicles–$5,704
The higher the price, the greater depreciation $ amount in any year.

People need to wake up to the 2020+ realities of the Detroit area
There are THOUSANDS of UN-employed people, today, right now.
Many others are in that $20,000 - $30,000 a year income bracket.
A car is a burden, a monkey on the back, a money pit, for families.

but if they did not have the car they would not be able to make the money to spend the $3000 and would be unemployed,maybe if we guaranteed everybody a government wage they could stay home and then would not even need a car.

It cannot be that bad,I live in the hood and seem to drive the oldest car around,[[1997),everybody else is driving new or less then two year old cars,employed or not.

**dtowncitylover** · February-12-19, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Richard

everybody else is driving new or less then two year old cars,employed or not.

Oh, do you go out asking drivers if they're employed or not?

**Honky Tonk** · February-12-19, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by dtowncitylover

Please, tell us more about how transit "isn't working" when the state of our roads clearly shows how broken that shit is.

#banallcars

Please re-read my post, slowly this time, until what I wrote sinks in. The roads are "broken" because the money is being diverted to pay for the riderless buses shit, so the people riding them can pay $1.75 a ride, because they're "entitled". #this