Venezuela- Some Alternative Media coverage

[Pam]

https://ahtribune.com/world/americas...arian-aid.html

Virtually unreported in the humanitarian aid story are several inconvenient truths that contradict the official US government narrative the media is so closely parroting. Firstly, the “aid” is not recognized as such at all. For shipments to qualify as aid, they must be given indiscriminately. The US “aid” appears destined only for Juan Guaidó, the US-backed self-appointed president. The Red Cross and the United Nations have refused to help the US or to recognize Trump’s shipments as aid. Indeed, the United Nations has formally condemned the US’

actions in Venezuela

. For their part, the Venezuelan government has been very eager to accept genuine aid, and is currently working with the UN to distribute supplies.

The appointment of the notorious Elliott Abrams should be a major red flag for anyone believing that the US government’s actions are benign. Abrams was responsible for organizing death squads across the region in the 1980s that carried out mass slaughters and genocide in Central America and was also prosecuted for selling arms to Iran to fund the Contra death squads, famously sending them weapons under the guise of humanitarian aid.

[Richard]

Yes,as printed by the anti American AH tribune an offshoot of

The Latin American Herald Tribune [[LAHT) is an online-only newspaper with headquarters in Caracas, Venezuela. It is aimed at English-reading people who want to be informed about Latin America.^[1] The publication identifies itself as the successor of the defunct Venezuelan newspaper The Daily Journal.^[2]Russell M. Dallen Jr. is the President and Editor-in-chief of LAHT since 2008.[3]

Know why the Daily Journal is defunct?

Because the reporters are here in the states,they had a choice stay and die or be imprisoned or flee to the US.

People were freaking out because the Saudis took out one reporter while Venezuela took out hundreds and nobody cared then.

Where was AHT,that claims to care about civil rights,when Venezuela was rounding up all the civil rights lawyers and jailing them or the ones that just all of the sudden meet untimely deaths.

• Overall, we rate the American Herald Tribune a Conspiracy website based on promotion of false flags and connections to right wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-herald-tribune/



As as they say follow the money,Russ Dallen the owner,who always seems to make hundreds of millions all across Latin America just before everything goes to crash.

Citco was mortgaged to Russia’s state owned oil company 49.9 %.

How he is the only genius in the room pulling 300% returns consistently ? And of course Soros name pops up.

I do not think he is actually predicting anything,more so manipulating
the Latin financial markets and useing his media as a tool,that is why every article they print is anti American.

What is worse,the US pulling regime changes or somebody personally profiting by creating chaos affecting millions.

He is the blood diamonds of Latin America.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Dallen

[Pam]

Jimmy Dore show-

FBI’s McCabe Accidentally Tells Truth About Venezuela

https://youtu.be/Qr-iMLluTlw

Investigating Venezuela's 'humanitarian crisis': Max Blumenthal tours a supermarket in Caracas:

https://youtu.be/mbXqGiNlWWw

[Jimaz]

... Investigating Venezuela's 'humanitarian crisis': Max Blumenthal tours a supermarket in Caracas:

https://youtu.be/mbXqGiNlWWw

Venezuela's "forcing children to smile." LOL!

[oladub]

Jimmy Dore show-

FBI’s McCabe Accidentally Tells Truth About Venezuela

https://youtu.be/Qr-iMLluTlw

Investigating Venezuela's 'humanitarian crisis': Max Blumenthal tours a supermarket in Caracas:

https://youtu.be/mbXqGiNlWWw

The video was taken inside the "Gama" supermarket. I looked that up. Google "Gama supermarket Venezuela". For a moment, I thought maybe CNN was being accused of fake news. However, CNN, the Telegraph, the Washington Post, and other fonts have articles about Gama. CNN agrees that the price of food is financially out of reach. Its not unheard of for communist countries to have showcase stores for foreigners and local elites. My guess, based on what I read, is that the truth is somewhere in between what Eliot Abrams and the far left would have us believe. 3M people must have had reasons for escaping Venezuela.

[Richard]

Lol,Mc Cabe accidentally telling the truth?

Its like when the Red Cross visited the Warsaw ghetto,everything in the room was staged.

[Pam]

The video was taken inside the "Gama" supermarket. I looked that up. Google "Gama supermarket Venezuela". For a moment, I thought maybe CNN was being accused of fake news. However, CNN, the Telegraph, the Washington Post, and other fonts have articles about Gama. CNN agrees that the price of food is financially out of reach. Its not unheard of for communist countries to have showcase stores for foreigners and local elites. My guess, based on what I read, is that the truth is somewhere in between what Eliot Abrams and the far left would have us believe. 3M people must have had reasons for escaping Venezuela.

Whatever is or isn't going on there, it's not our business and we should stay out. Aren't you sick and tired of being told such and such a place is in a crisis and we have to go in and it's really about oil? I am.

[Zacha341]

^^^ I think talking about, and evaluating the Venezuela crisis is crucial as it showcases once again the downside of socialism.

A system where [[despite shining promises) we once again have power, wealth and freedom confiscated by, and concentrated to a ruling elite, while the teaming masses suffer.

[oladub]

Whatever is or isn't going on there, it's not our business and we should stay out. Aren't you sick and tired of being told such and such a place is in a crisis and we have to go in and it's really about oil? I am.

See my post #3. The U.S. should stay out. I'm not buying into the left's blame game either. With all that oil, Venezuela's economy has the potential of being like Norway's. "Venezuela has the highest proven oil reserves in the world – some 300 billion barrels. That’s greater even than Saudi Arabia's". Oil is a fungible commodity. Venezuela could be selling its oil to Asia and its neighbors if it hadn't mismanaged its resources and economy.

[Pam]

See my post #3. The U.S. should stay out. I'm not buying into the left's blame game either. With all that oil, Venezuela's economy has the potential of being like Norway's. "Venezuela has the highest proven oil reserves in the world – some 300 billion barrels. That’s greater even than Saudi Arabia's". Oil is a fungible commodity. Venezuela could be selling its oil to Asia and its neighbors if it hadn't mismanaged its resources and economy.

What part does US sanctions play in the economic problems? We shouldn't be doing that either.

What's up with this?

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/26/u...ntl/index.html

[Richard]

I already posted the link about the oil,it has nothing to do with us wanting their oil.

They took out loans against future oil production from China,we were buying 78% of their oil through Citco,owned by Venezuela,based in Huston Texas.

When we started useing the oil shands from Canada and our Midwest it drove the prices down and crashed their market.

They have a lot of oil but the quality is expensive to refine and unless oil remains $100 or over a barrel they do not operate at a profit.

To make matters worse they kicked out foreign refineries before they set up their own,then they fired the workers and put in friends and families that knew nothing about oil production.

Their current market is China,Russia and India but they mortgaged their Huston refineries to Russia,and borrowed money on future sales in order to prop up their economy.

Do we really want Russia with oil production on our soil that could potentially affect 78% of our usage?

All they would have have to do is drop the price,fed by Venezuela,and they could crash our markets and economy within days or months.

Hense sanctioning.

China,Russia and India all have the resources to come in and build refineries but they will not because when Chavez first took power he approatiated all foreign businesses for the State,so noboby is going to take a chance on spending billions only to have it all taken.

So for the future every drop that comes out of the ground there is already paid for and committed,so they could pull oil from the ground for the next 10 years before being able to use a dime of it for current obligations.

We have not been using their oil for years and our prices have remained low,when we were useing their oil,prices were high because we were subsidizeing their economy at over $100 per barrel.

We were paying $3.50 a gallon while the Venezuelan people were paying a subsidized .30c a gallon in order to gain support and votes for the regime.

The food situation.

Chavaz takes power and appropriates all foreign farms,he used those farms to create state run grocery stores,He then told the rest of the private farmers that they could not sell their products higher then the state run stores while selling products at the state run stores at a loss,propped up by high oil prices at the time,they could not compete.

They fought and had strikes for awhile but lost the battle,Chavaz then took their farms and divided up the land between the poor.

To make a point he even took his mothers farm and divided it up also.

So now the poor have land but no money,no experience or means to actually farm and produce on a national level,so once again propped up by high oil prices food was imported at a loss and production levels could not keep up with local demand nor could they export excess like in the past loseing billions more.

We do not need their oil,our prices are lower without it.

So why were we buying their expensive oil and thus subsidizing their economy?

It is about democracy,plain and simple.

The socialist left love to say it is about the oil because they want nothing better then to have Latin America as a socialist society because that is their game.

Socialists love to spread and support the socialist agenda where democracies do what they can in order to stop the spread.

Our democratic allies in the region need our support because history shows us that Latin Dictators enforce the concept of total power corrupts and they end up being surrounded by narco controlled countries.

Military wise Russia and China has already well supplied the Venezuelan government with arms,what we would perfer not to happen is them putting bases or useing them as a go between or platform like what happened in Cuba in the 60s.

Outside of speading Democratic views what we are doing there is no different then any other country is already doing or what we are already doing for our other allies.

Poland get nervous when Russia games on their border.
Saudi Arabia gets nervous when Iran plays with nukes on their border.
South Korea gets nervous When North Korea plays.

On and on,that is our role in the world as a superpower,create stability or instability in the world in order to keep the balance of power.

With out it everybody wants to control the world,always has been always will be,the only way to have the total control is a nuclear war or fight for it.

In the meantime democracy will push their agenda and socialist dictatorships will push their agenda.

The ones that cannot decide what side they want to be on will always claim that it is about the oil because it provides a distraction from what it is really about.

What is happening now is the chickens have come home to roost,we did not create it,Chavez created it based on unstable petro dollars.

They are between a rock and a hard place,they have oil,it is sold but they cannot get it out of the ground or refine it,China has them over a barrel and wants to get paid one way or another.

Do it is going to go one of two ways,either they will be a puppet country controlled by Russia and China or a puppet country controlled by us.

Funny how everybody was eating and enjoyed a healthy economy when we were involved but when we were removed from the equation everything went to hell,it was history repeating itself.

We did not create the mess,Chavaz did,it got out of hand and we are going to clean it up to our benefit in the name of democracy,one way or another,because if we do not it will come back to bite in not a nice way.

[oladub]

What part does US sanctions play in the economic problems? We shouldn't be doing that either.

What's up with this?

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/26/u...ntl/index.html

Everyone has problems. I'm not a fan of sanctions but if Chavez confiscated U.S. owned property, the U.S. is not obligated to roll over either. it's not like Obama is still President. Your article speaks of Britain not giving back $1.2B of Venezuelan gold. That's between Britain and Venezuela. Venezuela meanwhile is sitting on 300B barrels of oil. The price of Brent crude oil is $67/barrel. "Venezuela’s cost of production, around $20 per barrel, is higher than that of Middle Eastern producers. But it is well below the current price of around $70 per barrel, which should be enough to dramatically improve Venezuela’s conditions."
$67-$20=$47, $47x$300= $14.1T The value of Venezuelan oil minus its cost of production is $14.1T. $14.1T/$1.2B = The value of Venezuelan oil after production costs is 11,750 times greater than the $1.2B of gold Britain is withholding so I'm not feeling too sorry for Maduro.

[Richard]

Middle East costs to produce are $7 to $8 per barrel compared to $23 for Venezuela the only reason we were giving them 78% of our business at the higher costs is because we were buying/funding/subsidizing their democracy.

They were not selective in the countries when it came to takeover of businesses,every country and every name you can come up with from Coca Cola to BP,billions in factories and infrastructure.

Nobody was exploiting them when we were paying them more for what we could have purchased from the Middle East cheaper.But the imperialist stealing our resources was a narrative in order to gain support.

We did say,screw you to Chavaz,if you want to be a soclist dictatorship then we are not subsidizing it anymore,that was his choice.

Amercians also said the same thing,7-11 across America used to be the main Citco distribution hub,when Chavaz took power Americans boycotted 7-11 and Citco and they were dropped by 7-11.

They have a lot of oil in the ground but they do not have the ability to refine it,Kinda like having a car with no motor,instead of updating their refineries that are in poor shape they choose socialist programs for funding first.

The only reason they had the capacity before was because of BP/Shell etc was refining for them,Chavaz screwed them so they pulled out.

All the oil in the world means nothing if you cannot get it out of the ground and refine it in order to sell it.

He is going out of there,it is just a matter of time,the freezing of funds keeps him from robbing the bank before he goes and will leave some breathing room for the next administration,no matter who it is.

If not it will become a another civil war and a crashed country that everybody else will have to prop up until they get back on their feet.

At that point it will be either China,Russia or the United States picking up the pieces,we perfer it be us.

If we really wanted to implement regime change against the people’s will,a sniper from a mile away could do that in a matter of seconds,nobody would be able to prove otherwise.

So what is going to happen will happen,the trick is to do it with as little chaos and bloodshed as possible.

[canuck]

Middle East costs to produce are $7 to $8 per barrel compared to $23 for Venezuela the only reason we were giving them 78% of our business at the higher costs is because we were buying/funding/subsidizing their democracy.

They were not selective in the countries when it came to takeover of businesses,every country and every name you can come up with from Coca Cola to BP,billions in factories and infrastructure.

Nobody was exploiting them when we were paying them more for what we could have purchased from the Middle East cheaper.But the imperialist stealing our resources was a narrative in order to gain support.

We did say,screw you to Chavaz,if you want to be a soclist dictatorship then we are not subsidizing it anymore,that was his choice.

Amercians also said the same thing,7-11 across America used to be the main Citco distribution hub,when Chavaz took power Americans boycotted 7-11 and Citco and they were dropped by 7-11.

They have a lot of oil in the ground but they do not have the ability to refine it,Kinda like having a car with no motor,instead of updating their refineries that are in poor shape they choose socialist programs for funding first.

The only reason they had the capacity before was because of BP/Shell etc was refining for them,Chavaz screwed them so they pulled out.

All the oil in the world means nothing if you cannot get it out of the ground and refine it in order to sell it.

He is going out of there,it is just a matter of time,the freezing of funds keeps him from robbing the bank before he goes and will leave some breathing room for the next administration,no matter who it is.

If not it will become a another civil war and a crashed country that everybody else will have to prop up until they get back on their feet.

At that point it will be either China,Russia or the United States picking up the pieces,we perfer it be us.

If we really wanted to implement regime change against the people’s will,a sniper from a mile away could do that in a matter of seconds,nobody would be able to prove otherwise.

So what is going to happen will happen,the trick is to do it with as little chaos and bloodshed as possible.

I'm still waiting for the sniper's bullet on Maduro.
What will it be? A bunch of Marines, a full blown assault or an army of mercenaries from neighboring states?Either way, I understand from your little essay that you feel concern for American corporate interests in a future Venezuela and applaud a military intervention in that country.

[Richard]

I'm still waiting for the sniper's bullet on Maduro.
What will it be? A bunch of Marines, a full blown assault or an army of mercenaries from neighboring states?Either way, I understand from your little essay that you feel concern for American corporate interests in a future Venezuela and applaud a military intervention in that country.

I also posted in my essay that it was understandable that the socialists,no matter what country they are in,will blame the evil corporations for the ills of society,and support those who use it to further their cause.

An international arbitration tribunal has ordered Venezuela to pay a Vancouver-based mining company more than $1.2 billion [[$1.5 billion Cdn.) for expropriating its gold mines.

https://www.thestar.com/business/201...2-billion.html

The deal includes a US$ 2 billion loan to economically-struggling Venezuela, as well as an undisclosed amount in compensation to Gold Reserve, according to company bosses.

We have signed a US$5 billion investment deal, which are divided amongst; the resolution of the dispute, a US$2 billion investment in the gold mines, and a US$2 billion loan to the country,” confirmed Venezuelan Minister for Petroleum and Mining Eulogio del Pino on Wednesday.

https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/11865

Notice how the evil corporations were nationalized as a political tool but when the reality kicked in they opened up a back door in order to keep them.

Evil corporations suck but their money,jobs and investment seems to suck a little bit less. Eh

A better argument would be to show examples of a socialist dictatorship where the people at the top do not accumulate all the wealth at the cost of the citizens.

That is how it works,the people stay equally poor while the powers eat well.

[canuck]

^^^

To answer your last question,
You could say the same of so-called democracies in Capitalist economies. The democratic values are undermined and competitive forces that occur between economies like the US and China are bound to erode freedoms in the West. Putin has instituted a so-called democracy where he and his cronies have sucked up 99% of the wealth of Russia. The same exists in most Western economies, chiefly the US. China's President now has an unlimited mandate to dictate matters of state to his country, a communist dictatorship running on a 12 cylinder capitalist economy that will soon slam dunk the US' big time. Never mind Venezuela Richard, yer fucked buddy. lol

[Richard]

China’s 12 cylinder economy is in a large part thanks to amercians who perfer cheap products over their fellow Americans,agreed we will reap what we sow.

Putin is in Kinda as the same boat as our president,lots of accusations but no proof,he has stated that no billionaire should have no excess to the Kremlin that a plumber or baker has.

If Maduro makes the claim that the aid contains weapons,would he not allow the trucks to pass and search them while videoing the alleged weapons in order to have proof?

[oladub]

China’s 12 cylinder economy is in a large part thanks to amercians who perfer cheap products over their fellow Americans,agreed we will reap what we sow....

If Maduro makes the claim that the aid contains weapons,would he not allow the trucks to pass and search them while videoing the alleged weapons in order to have proof?

Excellent first sentence. Venezuela is a democracy so Venezuelans are also reaping what they sewed. Russia is already delivering some food to Venezuela. We should let Venezuela serve as an example for AOC fans. Maduro's allies can try to float Maduro at their own expense. Maybe Venezuelans will tire of poverty and take care of the problem themselves.

Going through every truck will not stop weapons from entering Venezuela. Rivers can be forded just as along our own unfenced border. If the CIA want weapons in Venezuela, it isn't going to be so clumsy as to drive them through a border crossing. Maduro might need to erect his own East German fences just to keep people in having already lost 3M Venezuelans. Notice how Democrats have not been as enthusiastic about bringing in Venezuelan refugees as MR-13 refugees from Central America. They might turn out to be like Cuban refugees in Florida not immediately supporting Democrats.

[Pam]

Democracy Now interview with Venezuelan Foreign Minister.

https://youtu.be/7dim9uOsDuI

[canuck]

Democracy Now interview with Venezuelan Foreign Minister.

https://youtu.be/7dim9uOsDuI

Thank you Pam for the link, I found this piece by a British media pretty interesting too;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STcepwXxwWA

[Pam]

Thank you Pam for the link, I found this piece by a British media pretty interesting too;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STcepwXxwWA

Thanks, watching it now.

[Richard]

The trick is to find unbiased information and not from sources like Soros funded Democracy Now or the leftist socialist Novara.

How come none of those reporters asked Maduro,how come during the last election all of your opponents ended up being jailed or dead?

Silly me,of course they would not ask that question,what do they care about how their socialist comrades gain power,just as long as they do.

[Jimaz]

Total duration 2 hours, greatly degraded quality. This video is frequently censored. See it while you can:

Duck, You Sucker full movie

• Duck, You Sucker!

"Which way is America?"

[canuck]

The trick is to find unbiased information and not from sources like Soros funded Democracy Now or the leftist socialist Novara.

How come none of those reporters asked Maduro,how come during the last election all of your opponents ended up being jailed or dead?

Silly me,of course they would not ask that question,what do they care about how their socialist comrades gain power,just as long as they do.

You're gonna like this one better, more of a debate;

https://www.france24.com/en/20190124...-latin-america

[Pam]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...enezuela-march

Denouncing the "strangling" of the Venezuelan economy via sanctions and demanding the Trump administration allow the South American country to determine its own fate, pro-democracy protesters marched through Washington, D.C. on Saturday to demand, "Hands Off Venezuela!"