Infrastructure Fire Causes Natural Gas Supply Issue

[Richard]

Survey says 200 million Americans would perfer not to buy natural gas at the market price.

It happened and passed and seems to be related to the actual distribution side and not actually running out,it does not matter what they pay it gets passed on to the consumer anyways.

[MikeM]

BULL SHIT - yes in caps - at 500 decibels

Pipeline redundancy can handle ""accidents""
These bastards just didn't want to buy natural gas at the market price.

Funny. So they didn't want to sell the product they are in the business of selling? Got it.

[O3H]

No it isn't funny - it is sad that some are so ignorant. - PUBLIC utility -

The utilities delivery natural gas to your home or business.
This unique separate entity ensures reliable delivery to the community.
You call the them, and only them, with residential gas delivery issues.

The natural gas suppliers provide the actual commodity.
This entity contracts natural gas requirements using the
infrastructure provided by the gas utility.

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The lines of electricity and natural gas get blurred
- as Consumers Power uses natural gas for Electric Production.
Yeah, that coal thing isn't so hot, so power has to come from ""somewhere""

CMS Enterprises,
through its subsidiaries and equity investments,
is engaged primarily in independent power production
and owns power generation facilities fueled
mostly by natural gas and renewable sources.


CMS Energy manages its businesses by the nature of services each provides, and operates principally in three business segments:
electric utility, gas utility, and enterprises.

[O3H]

Anyone watch who pays what rate ?
https://www.consumersenergy.com/resi...rges-explained

Try page 10 - to understand the Franchise [[yes that is the correct word)
https://www.consumersenergy.com/-/me...rate-book.ashx

[archfan]

BULL SHIT - yes in caps - at 500 decibels

Pipeline redundancy can handle ""accidents""
These bastards just didn't want to buy natural gas at the market price.

A. Gas prices dropped on the Monday before the big freeze
B. Gas companies buy futures for their gas needs, so their price was locked
C. Whatever they buy, they can sell to us at a profit. The whole state turning their furnaces down lost them money. It would seem that even if they needed to pay high spot prices for buying extra gas, they would still make money, just not as much.

I don't think there's much of a case for them refusing to buy at market prices.

[O3H]

Yeah, but --- they needed the gas IMMEDIATELY --- not from the futures

[CrashDummy]

It happened and passed and seems to be related to the actual distribution side and not actually running out,it does not matter what they pay it gets passed on to the consumer anyways.

This is exactly right. The issue was with the compressor station not running, and then running at only one third capacity. There was plenty of gas available in storage, just no way to pump it out to the customers quickly enough. They also purchased gas from other utilities, but the intersystem connections that they were being pumped through were already being utilized to full capacity. You can't just create new connections on demand.

Any insinuations that they didn't, or were unwilling to purchase additional gas from other sources is inaccurate.

[O3H]

Some people have high levels of trust and confidence in the utilities
-- others do not. I think utilities are beholden to the investors.

[CrashDummy]

Some people have high levels of trust and confidence in the utilities
-- others do not. I think utilities are beholden to the investors.

For some, such things exist as only a concept, performed in far away tall towers by mystical, shadowy characters. For others, it happens in real time, with real people and tangible objects you can actually see, hear, and touch.

Sometimes, you need only to trust your own eyes.

[O3H]

Like seeing, hearing and feeling the heat from the explosion, right ?

Orion Township — A gas explosion that lit up the sky over Oakland County last month comes after 21 other incidents involving Consumers Energy pipelines in Michigan over the past decade, federal records show.
The incidents caused property damage totaling more than $10 million, according to data the utility reported to to the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Pipeline & Hazardous Materials Safety Administration.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...rns/108619266/

OR maybe THIS one - a natural gas substation near a power plant was on fire.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/gas-line-...uries-reported

OR maybe even this link
https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ts/1033801001/

SURE I trust them, just like everyone .................................................. ..................

There have been more than 300 fatalities and 1,200 injuries caused by natural gas pipeline incidents in the last 20 years, according to data from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, the federal agency responsible for overseeing the industry.

[Scottathew]

Like seeing, hearing and feeling the heat from the explosion, right ?

When that big pipeline exploded near Great Lakes Crossing last year my coworker was about a quarter mile away at a gas station. What first brought his attention to the explosion wasn't the sight of it, it wasn't the sound of it, it was the heat. As he was sitting in his car getting ready to pump his gas he felt radiating heat on one side of his face.

[O3H]

Trust - that "thing" which averts your attention from a 50 ft CRATER

The most serious Michigan gas explosion in the past decade occurred in May 2015 in Chelsea and caused more than $5.4 million in damage to Consumers’ property and $358,080 in product loss, according to federal records.
That Washtenaw County incident was attributed to equipment and weld failure due to environmental cracking.
“There was a large break in a 20-inch diameter gas line and it left a 50-foot deep crater,” said Chelsea fire Chief Robert Arbini.

So who is keeping count ? # natural GAS explosions in Michigan , recently

You ARE paying for them, as a member of a PUBLIC utility , right ??????
But you trust it's the proper, fair, correct, justified amount..................sure