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    Quote Originally Posted by drjeff View Post
    Arabs are semites so calling arabic people anti-semitic is frankly stupid.
    I thought an Arab is someone who speaks Arabic. I wasn't aware of an ethnic affiliation.
    Last edited by robtandersen; February-01-19 at 10:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poobert View Post
    The poster of this has not offered any evidence that libraries are suppressing books. Neither have you.
    Outside of doing a search for book banning,you can go here and use the little drop down menu for books banned by the year.

    https://www.marshall.edu/LIBRARY/ban...efault2018.asp

    Some examples are

    The Harry Potter series.
    The Great Gatsby
    The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
    To Kill a Mockingbird
    The Holy bible
    The Tarzan series [[ he was living in sin with Jane)
    Romeo and Juliet
    The last 5 books with Curious George.
    Pretty much anything by Shakespeare.

    Its the Internet,a quick search opens up a plethora of options.

    Thats okay though,I also get grumpy when people text me at 2 am,even worse when 99% of the time it is a scam from another countries time zone.
    Last edited by Richard; February-01-19 at 10:49 PM.

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    Anti-semitism means prejudice against Jews, not against all speakers of Semitic languages. Look it up. Arabs can be anti-Semites, though of course, that doesn't mean that they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poobert View Post
    The poster of this has not offered any evidence that libraries are suppressing books. Neither have you.
    Banning books is the father of deplatforming. There is no doubt that all our curators of content [[Mayors, teachers, librarians, marketers, publicists, journalists, bloggers) all curate content. Those in power make decisions that they feel are appropriate for a higher-purpose.

    From our Canadian friends, I present this current day 'banning'
    The Ontario Peel District School Board is encouraging its staff not to teach the American classic novel To Kill a Mockingbird to students, saying it’s racist and that its language and message is harmful to black students, according to a memo sent to staff.

    As reported by the National Post, the school board says it isn’t banning the novel outright, but is instead asking teachers who want to teach the book to discuss their lesson plan with their principal first. When deciding on the text, the memo asks teachers to consider if they’ve studied race and racism, and have “done the work or engaged in activities to reveal/interrogate [their] biases.”
    see Global News article

    The last sentence kindly tells any teacher who might want to assign the book that they are 'biased'.

    Banning has been banned. So the new banning is much more subtle. Its wrapped in 'bias', 'hard' and 'racism'. The effect is pretty much the same. Control of media. Old story. Needs to be fought at all corners by all of us regardless of our politics.

    Back to our thread, the mayor isn't banning anything. He's not suppressing anything. I've argued that the mayor may just be 'editing'. That said, it is appropriate to watch out for suppression, banning and deplatforming. I'd encourage the mayor to publish the article online on their historical website. There's no need to hide Ford's anti-Jewish words and deeds. But it hardly needs to be shouted by the front page of any city publication either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat001 View Post
    The horse is kinda out of the barn regarding Henry Ford's antisemitism. Hitler had a portrait of Henry hanging in his personal study and awarded Henry the Grand Cross of the German Eagle - a medal Hitler gave out to civilians. Good luck suppressing that.
    So many misinformed people like to point to this but it means absolutely nothing. the Nazi's gave awards to lots of business leaders as a way to entice people into working with them. Ford never reciprocated any Nazi association. Ford had nothing to do with the Nazis period.

    People don't know that Ford was a pacifist and extremely anti war and actually lead a peace ship that was ridiculed by the media. He ended up blaming Jews for it which yes is awful. but he later recanted all of his antisemitism. Most of these exposes on Ford's antisemitism are just clickbait .
    Last edited by Worldsgreatest; February-02-19 at 12:04 PM.

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    Interesting after all these years, Dearborn still does not have single Kosher Deli nor a synagogue..... Would have been nice if Bill McGraw dovetailed Henry Ford's anti Semitic past to Dearborn's current anti Israeli, pro Hezbollah residents...

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    Where does the first ammendment stand on this? As far as I’m aware, it’s not crime to express anti Semitism in America outside of libel, slander or a call to action. Is anyone here suggesting we ammend the constitution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by archfan View Post
    The Deadline Detroit article said the magazine's circulation was around 240. By suppressing the issue, it got an exponentially larger audience. Silly censor.
    As with so many attempts to censor, the censors just served to amplify the thing they were trying to censor. In this case it's doubly stupid, because the story of Henry Ford's anti-semitism is quite well known. The only place where it is still a shocking revelation that can't be publicly aired must be Dearborn Michigan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Outside of doing a search for book banning,you can go here and use the little drop down menu for books banned by the year.

    https://www.marshall.edu/LIBRARY/ban...efault2018.asp

    Some examples are

    The Harry Potter series.
    The Great Gatsby
    The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
    To Kill a Mockingbird
    The Holy bible
    The Tarzan series [[ he was living in sin with Jane)
    Romeo and Juliet
    The last 5 books with Curious George.
    Pretty much anything by Shakespeare.

    Its the Internet,a quick search opens up a plethora of options.

    Thats okay though,I also get grumpy when people text me at 2 am,even worse when 99% of the time it is a scam from another countries time zone.

    You just quoted books that were historically challenged or banned. The top challenged- not banned - book from the site you provided for last year was temporarily removed from a school library shelves after a youth suicide. There are no books currently banned beyond a removal at a local level in the United States. To me, that is quite different than, say, a Nazi book burning but that is analytical thinking for you.

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    History exists whether a group of people choose to ignore it or not.
    Especially with the internet, it's damn hard to "erase"
    what happened long ago, and was recorded quite openly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meddle View Post
    Can anybody say 'Orville'?
    Only if you can say "Hubbard."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest View Post
    So many misinformed people like to point to this but it means absolutely nothing. the Nazi's gave awards to lots of business leaders as a way to entice people into working with them. Ford never reciprocated any Nazi association. Ford had nothing to do with the Nazis period.

    People don't know that Ford was a pacifist and extremely anti war and actually lead a peace ship that was ridiculed by the media. He ended up blaming Jews for it which yes is awful. but he later recanted all of his antisemitism. Most of these exposes on Ford's antisemitism are just clickbait .
    Does Ford offer a bigger raise or bonus to employees who go out of their way to kiss the ass of their founder?

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    Hmmm, does Detroit have one? Just asking....

    Quote Originally Posted by Colombian Dan View Post
    Interesting after all these years, Dearborn still does not have single Kosher Deli nor a synagogue..... Would have been nice if Bill McGraw dovetailed Henry Ford's anti Semitic past to Dearborn's current anti Israeli, pro Hezbollah residents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacha341 View Post
    Hmmm, does Detroit have one? Just asking....
    Strictly Kosher deli, not that I’m aware of, Synagogue yes.

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    Frankly, I'm shocked -- SHOCKED! -- to see such a hue and cry over a little known publication. The story is now carried by the Associated Press and it appeared in my Sunday Las Vegas Review-Journal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colombian Dan View Post
    Interesting after all these years, Dearborn still does not have single Kosher Deli nor a synagogue..... Would have been nice if Bill McGraw dovetailed Henry Ford's anti Semitic past to Dearborn's current anti Israeli, pro Hezbollah residents...
    To be fair, basically everywhere in Metro Detroit lacks "kosher delis and synogagues". Jews are like 2% of the population. Their metro-area population is basically nil outside a small geography in Oakland County. Unless you're in West Bloomfield around Orchard Lake Rd. or the northern part of Oak Park along Greenfield/Coolidge, there isn't a huge Jewish presence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest View Post
    So many misinformed people like to point to this but it means absolutely nothing. the Nazi's gave awards to lots of business leaders as a way to entice people into working with them. Ford never reciprocated any Nazi association. Ford had nothing to do with the Nazis period.

    People don't know that Ford was a pacifist and extremely anti war and actually lead a peace ship that was ridiculed by the media. He ended up blaming Jews for it which yes is awful. but he later recanted all of his antisemitism. Most of these exposes on Ford's antisemitism are just clickbait .
    Just gotta say, you're like the Chief Propagandist for the auto industry on DYes.

    Everything you wrote is basically nonsense. Ford was the only American even named in Mein Kampf, and Hitler repeatedly aid that Ford was his "inspiration". There were deep ties between Ford and Nazism.

    This doesn't mean that Ford = Hitler, of course, but your desperate attempt at whitewashing history is pretty pathetic. He was a virulent anti-Semite. And he wasn't a "pacifist", quite the contrary; he opposed U.S. intervention in WW2 because he believed it was on behalf of the Jews. He wanted U.S. out so Hitler could finish his business.
    Last edited by Bham1982; February-03-19 at 02:17 PM.

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    And Southfield where on Friday evenings groups of Jewish families walking to temples observing Shabbat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bham1982 View Post
    To be fair, basically everywhere in Metro Detroit lacks "kosher delis and synogagues". Jews are like 2% of the population. Their metro-area population is basically nil outside a small geography in Oakland County. Unless you're in West Bloomfield around Orchard Lake Rd. or the northern part of Oak Park along Greenfield/Coolidge, there isn't a huge Jewish presence.

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    Dearborn has had a very long history of anti Semitism that continues to this day. Regardless of the fact that Dearborn has never had a single synagogue within its borders, Dearborn residents, especially on the east end still have a nasty old world anti Jew attitude. The very display of the Israeli flag sends many Dearborn residents into a rage. Dearborn has been hiding for decades behind the banner of "diversity" to deny it's anti Semitism... only that "diversity" is a facade for Hezbollah. https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...51202150336992

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colombian Dan View Post
    The very display of the Israeli flag sends many Dearborn residents into a rage.
    Anti-Semitism is separate from being Anti-Zionist or Anti-Israel.

    Israel in 2019 is one of the most despised states in the world, for good reason, including among many American Jews. They're basically run by a cabal of alt-right criminals and have transformed from a democracy to a religious state.

    Israel is very different today than in the past, when they were a reliable U.S. ally, highly secular and beacon of democracy. Now they're basically the same as their violent, autocratic neighbors. It's now a criminal offense to not have an Orthodox wedding.

    That's why there's currently a huge schism between Jews in Israel and elsewhere. The relationship has totally transformed. Non-Orthodox Jews are fleeing Israel and no longer welcome.
    Last edited by Bham1982; February-03-19 at 03:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray1936 View Post
    Frankly, I'm shocked -- SHOCKED! -- to see such a hue and cry over a little known publication. The story is now carried by the Associated Press and it appeared in my Sunday Las Vegas Review-Journal.
    My take: Mayor takes reasonable action. Yellow journalists and rabid public make it big deal. Nothing to see here. Move along.

    Some seem to think that the Mayor was trying to hide a fact. And that his actions indirectly resulted in the fact being amplified. But so what? The fact is basically accurate. The Mayor made a reasonable decision. Everyone still knows that HF had some not-so-unusual-for-the-time opinions, that he seems to have later retracted. Nothing to see here. Move along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bham1982 View Post
    Anti-Semitism is separate from being Anti-Zionist or Anti-Israel.

    Israel in 2019 is one of the most despised states in the world, for good reason, including among many American Jews. They're basically run by a cabal of alt-right criminals and have transformed from a democracy to a religious state.

    Israel is very different today than in the past, when they were a reliable U.S. ally, highly secular and beacon of democracy. Now they're basically the same as their violent, autocratic neighbors. It's now a criminal offense to not have an Orthodox wedding.

    That's why there's currently a huge schism between Jews in Israel and elsewhere. The relationship has totally transformed. Non-Orthodox Jews are fleeing Israel and no longer welcome.
    Please take your anti Semitic feelings elsewhere... Next you'll be telling us the Bolsheviks are Jews along with the Communists...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bham1982 View Post
    Anti-Semitism is separate from being Anti-Zionist or Anti-Israel.

    Israel in 2019 is one of the most despised states in the world, for good reason, including among many American Jews. They're basically run by a cabal of alt-right criminals and have transformed from a democracy to a religious state.

    Israel is very different today than in the past, when they were a reliable U.S. ally, highly secular and beacon of democracy. Now they're basically the same as their violent, autocratic neighbors. It's now a criminal offense to not have an Orthodox wedding.

    That's why there's currently a huge schism between Jews in Israel and elsewhere. The relationship has totally transformed. Non-Orthodox Jews are fleeing Israel and no longer welcome.
    Once again, a lot of misinformation and exaggeration from you. I know a lot of Jewish people from the Birmingham-Bloomfield area and their thoughts on the matter are the exact opposite of what you’ve claimed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bham1982 View Post
    To be fair, basically everywhere in Metro Detroit lacks "kosher delis and synogagues". Jews are like 2% of the population. Their metro-area population is basically nil outside a small geography in Oakland County. Unless you're in West Bloomfield around Orchard Lake Rd. or the northern part of Oak Park along Greenfield/Coolidge, there isn't a huge Jewish presence.
    Your claims are far from accurate. You “forgot” sizable Jewish populations in Huntington Woods, Bloomfield Hills, Bloomfield Township, Birmingham, Franklin, Farmington Hills, Commerce Township, Berkley, and Southfield.

    Furthermore, Ann Arbor has half a dozen Jewish religious institutions, a large in state as well as east coast Jewish student population, and the most famous deli in the state.
    Last edited by Towne Cluber; February-04-19 at 04:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colombian Dan View Post
    Please take your anti Semitic feelings elsewhere... Next you'll be telling us the Bolsheviks are Jews along with the Communists...
    Looks like the Alt Right is triggered. They "love" Israel now that it's headed by a crazed Trumpie, also likely headed to prison.

    So you believe around 75% of American Jews are "anti-Semitic", correct? Because around 3/4 of American Jews are against the Israeli govt. right now.

    Apparently in Trumpland, the Jews are the anti-Semites, just like the KKK are "very fine people". Up is down, right is left and wrong is right.
    Last edited by Bham1982; February-04-19 at 04:32 PM.

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