Packard Overpass Collapses onto E. Grand Blvd.

[mikefmich]

Is it really down on the street?

[dtowncitylover]

HistoricDetroit posted a photo on their Facebook page. So yes.

Not surprised though. The thing is old, probably wasn't reinforced recently, and now we have ice.

[Meddle]

Well, if it's on fakebook .....

[dtowncitylover]

Well, if it's on fakebook .....

Yup, well you know HistoricDetroit. Likes to photoshop pictures of collapsed buildings and structures.

https://www.facebook.com/HistoricDet...type=3&theater

[Uncledave54]

It's been verified by the Free Press.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...it/2660893002/

[wolverine]

So Detroit, when are building owners going to be held accountable for D&H violations?

I mentioned this in the grand trunk warehouse thread a couple days back.

[mikefmich]

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...it-s-east-side

[mikefmich]

I seem to recall the South American was working on shoring that up a couple years ago? IMHO that should've been something at the top of his list.

Yes he did. https://www.mlive.com/business/detro...t_gets_ti.html

Supposed to have been done in 2016.

[Ray1936]

Nothing is forever; especially without maintenance. Just grateful that a car or bus wasn't under the stupid thing when it gave way.

[hybridy]

As far as the city comes, it’s absolutely insane this is still happening. There’s oodles of blighted structures that threaten public safety standing wide open to anyone.

The galling bit is they charged people to walk through this place.

[Meddle]

At about 2, it came to light that some people were driving around the barrier we'd put up. So I called Detroit police to see if they could assist in blocking the traffic.

Detroit police Sgt. Nicole Kirkwood said units from the 7th Precinct were sent to the plant to help divert traffic. She said she was unsure if police got to the location before the collapse, adding that units were on the scene later Wednesday.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...se/2661276002/

The Police don't know if the Police arrived before the collapse?

What the hell is going on up there?

[Gistok]

Apparently some of you missed one important fact in the Free Press article before critcizing Palazuelo... that he didn't own the building across the street from the plant... the city did. And they refused to sell him that building, and the 1/2 of the bridge that they owned. Kinda hard for him to restore half a bridge, no? Regardless of what Mlive said... the Detroit Free Press said this....

Kopietz said the city owns the building at 1539 E. Grand Blvd. that connects to the bridge, and that the bridge is jointly owned by the city and Arte Express.

"We have calls into the city of Detroit to discuss how to move forward, given the joint ownership of the bridge," Kopietz said. "Mr. Palazuelo has reiterated his desire to convince the city to transfer control of that building to us, at least under a development agreement, to stabilize and secure it."

[Richard]

As far as the city comes, it’s absolutely insane this is still happening. There’s oodles of blighted structures that threaten public safety standing wide open to anyone.

The galling bit is they charged people to walk through this place.

Even to this day,nobody really knows who owns what with that property.

It keeps getting reported worldwide,in some cases,that he bought the sprawling property known as the Packard Plant and not parts of it as it is.

Depending on where the tours go through then it could be considered profiting on something one does not own.

[Lowell]

All things aside I will miss this bridge having driven under countless times and walked through it a few times. It was an immense iconic Detroit presence. A picture from 2006.

[Zacha341]

Someone would have had to PAY ME to tour all that. Too dangerous such as floors falling in, or a ceilings coming down. No, thank you.

As far as the city comes, it’s absolutely insane this is still happening. There’s oodles of blighted structures that threaten public safety standing wide open to anyone.

The galling bit is they charged people to walk through this place.

[EastsideAl]

Damn, it's going to be hard to get into Arlan's now.

[Colombian Dan]

At least I have my memories.....

[Zacha341]

Hah. Can't the new owner/ the city or/ whoever just tear it all down already before someone gets injured/ killed?

Damn, it's going to be hard to get into Arlan's now.

[Smirnoff]

As mentioned, best of luck on the tour, especially following the useless demand of wearing a "hard helmet".....

[Richard]

Hah. Can't the new owner just tear it all down already before someone gets injured/ killed?

It was reported that he did not own the other building across the street,city owned,so the bridge was co-owned between him and the city.

What is interesting is the photos posted on Facebook show where scrappers removed structural components and some were posted where the bridge was sagging on one side.

I am thinking it was more of a case where the city was not ready to put any money into it,the new owner may have been upset because they did not sell him the connecting building on the other side so the intent was,it was there until it was not.

When the property was first developed it was done by assembling multiple parcels,but nobody through the years combined them all into one.

I have a list from when it was for sale before which contains over 100 individual parcels just for that listing,that is the problem over there.

You can have one building that spans 3 parcels with three different owners and every parcel is up to interpretation as to who owns it,you can own one building then jump over 2 and then own the next one.

No continuity,just able to own a spattering of buildings within the complex.

On one hand the property should have never gone to auction until it was a complete parcel.

But on the other hand the city was smart to withhold parcels and in essence maintain control what happens there,Kinda like saying,show us that you are going to do what you say first then we can talk about adding more.

Notice how the original plans were retail,housing,restaurants etc. but now have reverted to office space,cheaper to build out and without continuity within the buildings you would have apartments within the ruins.

That erea was part of the city future plan as heavy industrial zone.

[O3H]

Time for Detroit have a hard think
about property transactions and expediting operations.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

Nothing is forever; especially without maintenance. Just grateful that a car or bus wasn't under the stupid thing when it gave way.

Or someone walking in the street....

[DeLemur]

I seem to recall the South American was working on shoring that up a couple years ago? IMHO that should've been something at the top of his list.

Yes he did. https://www.mlive.com/business/detro...t_gets_ti.html

Supposed to have been done in 2016.

Wow. Looks like he missed that targeted. Fortunately the bridged missed hitting a person.

[Meddle]

Or a 'mass transit' vehicle.

[Honky Tonk]

Damn, it's going to be hard to get into Arlan's now.

WHAT? I have a return to make....