Detroit 2019 +

[O3H]

The city needs a better revenue stream in 2019

- Just because it's """balanced"""" a budget don't mean much
Hardly any in = hardly anything out,
but it's balanced, is a piss poor attitude for the future.

All those tax breaks for PoleTown worked soooo wonderfully

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/...utdown/577678/

The plant is only 33 years old,
and GM spent $121 million to renovate it less than five years ago

STILL want to bet on Auto for Detroit - you are a FOOL !!!!!!!!!!

[EGrant]

What industry do you suggest we pull out of a hat and replace automotive with?

[wazootyman]

I don't think anyone finds posts like this particularly interesting or constructive. Please try harder.

[stasu1213]

Gener'sal Motors and others had ruled Detroit the elected officials making the city more auto dependent and less mass transit efficient. Not only Detroit but Detroit's surrounding suburbs. G.M. want to make autono cars that the average worker and residents of Detroit want be able to afford to buy or ride. It's time for Detroit to start looking for other industries to bring the city back and not continue to remain a one horse town. I love the way that Dan Gilbert had single handedly brought back downtown Detroit. However, he and others are still building parking structures that are too costly for the average everyday worker to park in. Metro Detroit has to start focus on mass transit whether it will be a trolley or an express bus Detroit and the surrounding areas have to come to an agreement and have the new Governor to look more into making southeast Michigan more mass transit friendlier and not more of a auto dependent car company controlled region

[stasu1213]

What industry do you suggest we pull out of a hat and replace automotive with?

Good question. Detroit should not be supported by just one industry but multiple industries from Stem to art. Detroit has a chance to be versital. The sad thing is that those that are in office decide on what turn the city will make or leave the city a one horse town. They are the ones who are controlled by piper. Detroit need more lobbyist who are not connected to the Big 3

[casscorridor]

Gener'sal Motors and others had ruled Detroit the elected officials making the city more auto dependent and less mass transit efficient. Not only Detroit but Detroit's surrounding suburbs. G.M. want to make autono cars that the average worker and residents of Detroit want be able to afford to buy or ride. It's time for Detroit to start looking for other industries to bring the city back and not continue to remain a one horse town. I love the way that Dan Gilbert had single handedly brought back downtown Detroit. However, he and others are still building parking structures that are too costly for the average everyday worker to park in. Metro Detroit has to start focus on mass transit whether it will be a trolley or an express bus Detroit and the surrounding areas have to come to an agreement and have the new Governor to look more into making southeast Michigan more mass transit friendlier and not more of a auto dependent car company controlled region

Downtown needs two-hour free parking to encourage people to drive in, park and walk around to shops and restaurants.

[O3H]

Detroit not only HAS to think outside the box.
It needs to crush, kick and dispose of the ol' box.

Time for some new thinking, paradigm shift, etc.

We have some great wonderful WaterFront areas that need
to be capitalized upon to get even more people downtown.
A reason to go downtown not involved with sports or gambling.

I actually really like the concept of Wayne State Tech Transfer
to identify prospective intellectual property, to support
the development of ideas from students, faculty, and researchers.

We have some really great young folks with super ideas
that need cultivation and support to grow NEW industries from scratch.

http://research.wayne.edu/techtransfer/

Detroit should hammer on complete NEW, not revitalize, not re-invent, etc.

WSU Technology Development Incubator [[TDI) Program
seeks to provide a comprehensive solution to the cultural, technological and financial challenges associated with the translation of innovative early stage technologies from academia to the marketplace.

[CassTechGrad]

What might happen if good men do nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!............................... ....

[O3H]

Doesn't WSU have buildings on Cass ?

Academic/Administrative [[AAB)
5700 Cass
Detroit MI, 48202

[Jimaz]

What might happen if good men do nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!............................... ....

FWIW, the photo on the right is in Grozny, Chechnya.

[SammyS]

We have engineers other states and the world do a good job poaching. Another engineer friend of mind left to China a few months ago. I get offered at least once a week for jobs interstate and overseas.

Our engineering schools are world class so we need to capitalize on that. It also only takes a few years to change curriculums and graduate talent in other technology related fields such as coding and robotics. No question there’s a future in that.

[masterblaster]

Doesn't WSU have buildings on Cass ?

Academic/Administrative [[AAB)
5700 Cass
Detroit MI, 48202

I agree with you, we need to continue to diversify the economy, and nurture our young students and professionals so that some of them will be encouraged to utilize their talents to create new industries.

[O3H]

Even the Detroit Auto Show is dwindling/disappearing
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/14/b...auto-show.html

Take a hint D-Town, it really is time to move to something ""else"""

[DeLemur]

We have engineers other states and the world do a good job poaching. Another engineer friend of mind left to China a few months ago. I get offered at least once a week for jobs interstate and overseas.

Our engineering schools are world class so we need to capitalize on that. It also only takes a few years to change curriculums and graduate talent in other technology related fields such as coding and robotics. No question there’s a future in that.

Agreed, education needs to be the focus of Detroit and Michigan. Top engineering and manufacturing skills are an area we need to be exceptional in. Something has happened to this state's Education in the last 30 years and its not good. We went from upper mid tier to upper low tier in education. A good start is early childhood education.

[O3H]

.....maybe BUS the inner city kids to Cranbrook Schools ?
Straight run, up and down Woodward, easy peasy, no fuss.



The Cranbrook Educational Community, an education, research
and public museum complex in the US state of Michigan.
Founded in early 20th century by newspaper mogul George Gough Booth

Get that """garden thing""" horticultural farming idea, going full force
Approximately 40 acres of Cranbrook Schools' campus are gardens.



'Tis the season for charity and investing in humanity...............

[DeLemur]

Most inner city students need better fundamentals like reading before heading up to Cranbrook, but some could. The National Assessment of Education Progress has 4th grade reading levels of African American students in Michigan - dead last. The school board vote only voted in more of the same candidates. Glad to see Vitti putting emphasis on reading and ways for people to help: https://www.detroitk12.org/site/Defa...px?PageID=9455

.....maybe BUS the inner city kids to Cranbrook Schools ?
Straight run, up and down Woodward, easy peasy, no fuss.



The Cranbrook Educational Community, an education, research
and public museum complex in the US state of Michigan.
Founded in early 20th century by newspaper mogul George Gough Booth

Get that """garden thing""" horticultural farming idea, going full force
Approximately 40 acres of Cranbrook Schools' campus are gardens.



'Tis the season for charity and investing in humanity...............

[SammyS]

.....maybe BUS the inner city kids to Cranbrook Schools ?
Straight run, up and down Woodward, easy peasy, no fuss.



The Cranbrook Educational Community, an education, research
and public museum complex in the US state of Michigan.
Founded in early 20th century by newspaper mogul George Gough Booth

Get that """garden thing""" horticultural farming idea, going full force
Approximately 40 acres of Cranbrook Schools' campus are gardens.



'Tis the season for charity and investing in humanity...............

I know you’re trying to stir the pot but I have a counter proposal to consider. How about DPS hand over a failed school, near the CBD, to Cranbrook for them to operate it as a private school with 20% subsidized to low income locals that pass a minimum aptitude entrance examination. Purely academic, not athletic.

[O3H]

I say it's time to try some crazy shit, because the ordinary didn't
exactly propel Detroit forward by leaps and bounds.

Perhaps the Strategic Neighborhood Fund 2.0, actually will create
more affordable housing as officials work to maintain the city for all income levels.

[casscorridor]

Education has been mentioned, which is one model of developing struggling industrial cities. Eds and Meds as they call it -- invest in higher education and health care. These institutions will anchor wider economic development, and we've seen this happening in Midtown. Unfortunately, for a city its size, Detroit has a very small amount of universities. Only two within its borders, and only one of which could be considered a major research university. Compare this with much smaller Pittsburgh which has Carnegie Mellon and University of Pittsburgh, two highly esteemed universities, both of which are located near the center of the city. This is a huge advantage that Detroit is lacking. WSU is not bad, but it's no where near as distinguished as Pittsburgh's universities. There's not much chance of this changing either, as the growth in Eds and Meds institutions tends to cluster in a key few cities [[e.g. Boston, New York, etc) or small towns [[e.g. Ann Arbor). So maybe a better question is how to leverage the regional assets like University of Michigan and build closer ties to Detroit.

On the local level, improved primary and secondary education, job training, entrepreneurial training and increased access to internships, exchange programs and scholarships. And related to that, is providing adequate resources and space for start up businesses, like small scale, affordable commercial space. The global economy is more flexible and adaptable and our local economy needs to reflect that in order to compete. Most of the media attention goes to big businesses like GM or Amazon, while ignoring the importance of the local economy.

[O3H]

Many would say University of Detroit is nothing to be scoffed at.
Definitely one of the top 50 educational, regional midwest in the nation.

Detroit "could" become a true mover and shaker, if emphasis were
enthusiastically put forth to really get under college kids
and prop them up for entrepreneurial type activities.

The area has clever, smart, creative talent that needs cultivation
It just needs a hook to make them stick around, instead of leaving.
Mentors, investors, loans, people willing to take a chance on new stuff

[Pat001]

The city needs a better revenue stream in 2019

- Just because it's """balanced"""" a budget don't mean much
Hardly any in = hardly anything out,
but it's balanced, is a piss poor attitude for the future.

All those tax breaks for PoleTown worked soooo wonderfully

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/...utdown/577678/

The plant is only 33 years old,
and GM spent $121 million to renovate it less than five years ago

STILL want to bet on Auto for Detroit - you are a FOOL !!!!!!!!!!

It's not just Detroit - the whole state needs some other revenue stream other than the Big Three. The Big Three have been in terminal decline for decades. When not demanding tax breaks, they are offshoring jobs, dropping product lines, abandoning markets and selling off pieces of themselves to raise cash. The ripple effect of that decline, plus NAFTA, has cost the state something like 800,000 jobs.

While the Big Three have closed plants in Michigan [[and elsewhere), foreign auto makers have built more than 20 auto plants in the U.S. None of those foreign auto maker plants were built in Michigan. The big question is "why not?"

Furthermore, it’s not just foreign auto manufacturers avoiding Michigan. Boeing recently built a huge new plant in the Carolinas. Airbus will soon be building airliners in Alabama. Someone needs to ask why not Michigan?

[DeLemur]

Here is the MI Citizen's Research Council analysis of how to diversify Detroit's tax base. https://crcmich.org/diversifying-loc...ns-in-detroit/

[313WX]

The below article from the NY Times isn't directly related to Detroit, but obviously Detroit shares some similarities with Birmingham and the article also delves into some lessons it could learn from Nashville in order to become a more attractive city/state to reside and spend money in...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/b...am-amazon.html

"...Nashville started with advantages. But local leaders also made some smart decisions like merging the city and county government in the 1960s, allowing Nashville and its suburbs to work together rather than at cross-purposes. And in the 1990s, when many downtowns across the county were struggling, the city built a convention center, a hockey arena and a new home for the Country Music Hall of Fame.
...

...Beginning in the early 1990s, though, political, business and nonprofit leaders tried to promote Nashville. State and local leaders adopted a regional approach to economic development to recruit companies such as Bridgestone, Nissan and UBS. Tennessee overhauled its community college system and work force development efforts to align better with the jobs being created.
Starting under Mayor Phil Bredesen, who later became Tennessee’s governor, the city invested in big projects that helped revive downtown, a key part of the city’s success...


...A report released this year outlines the challenge. The study, conducted by the research firm Burning Glass Technologies for local business and nonprofit groups, found that Birmingham lagged in “traded” industries such as manufacturing and technology, which bring in dollars from elsewhere. Instead, it relies heavily on restaurants, retailers and other “nontraded” industries, where money mostly passes back and forth between residents.
Birmingham’s work force is also less educated than the work forces in other cities of comparable size, and its schools aren’t training workers with the skills they need, the report concluded.

...Mr. Woodfin faces another challenge: Instead of collaborating, cities and towns in the area often compete against one another.
Birmingham proper accounts for just a third of the population of Jefferson County, with cities frequently offering multimillion-dollar tax incentives to lure businesses across town lines.


“It’s less than a zero-sum game — it’s a negative-sum game,” said David Sher, a local business owner who runs a blog on economic issues.
Mr. Sher would like Birmingham to follow Nashville in merging the city and county governments. He noted that Louisville, Ky., saw substantial growth after it did that in 2003..."

[Danny]

Detroit 2019 as usual

More black folks killing black folks.

More street crime.

More black folks leaving to the suburbs.

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Downtown Detroit remains Gilbert town.

More gentrification of Midtown hoods.

More white fo--- I mean millennials are moving in.

[masterblaster]

The below article from the NY Times isn't directly related to Detroit, but obviously Detroit shares some similarities with Birmingham and the article also delves into some lessons it could learn from Nashville in order to become a more attractive city/state to reside and spend money in...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/b...am-amazon.html

Good stuff, thank for sharing.

A Detroit, Wayne County merger would be interesting.

The musical chairs that the article describes happening in Birmingham, is happening here as well, and even though a stronger downtown is a positive for the region, it would be much, much better if we could attract more outside jobs and investment: DETROIT AREA -VS- EVERYBODY.

Nobody knows how to tackle the education issue in the city. To me, simply changing the mindset of the people that will make the biggest impact, but people will say poverty and lack of funding is the biggest reason for the lack of educational attainment.