Obama Appoints self-proclaimed Socialist Van Jones "Green Jobs Czar"

[Diehard]

Watch and listen to what this guy has said...not the commentary, the actual content.

If this doesn't hurt Obama, then I don't know what can.

I did. I watched the entire speech posted earlier. It's thoughtful and positive. You should check it out. There's nothing objectionable in there, unless you don't think women, minorities, Native Americans, immigrants and coal miners should be treated with respect and included in the renewable energy movement. Or, maybe, if you're an oil industry shill and oppose the idea of renewable energy in the first place. Or maybe you just don't like how "black" his voice is.

I posted a link to the entire 2004 interview from which the 36-second "steering poison" snippet was taken. I can see how a few right-wing crazies must have fished through it [[poor things, all that work) looking for something they could use, and found that little clip and passed it around to whip up some typical faux outrage. Yes, he talks about racial issues and past injustices, which nobody so far has challenged as false. He talks about these things in the context of how to move forward without repeating past mistakes. If that makes him a dangerous racist asshole in your mind, so be it.

What'll hurt Obama is that most of the people passing judgment are lazy, drooling idiots who don't bother to read, they just take the hyperbole as fact and run with it.

[vetalalumni]

I did. I watched the entire speech posted earlier. It's thoughtful and positive. You should check it out. There's nothing objectionable in there, unless you don't think women, minorities, Native Americans, immigrants and coal miners should be treated with respect and included in the renewable energy movement. Or, maybe, if you're an oil industry shill and oppose the idea of renewable energy in the first place. Or maybe you just don't like how "black" his voice is.

I posted a link to the entire 2004 interview from which the 36-second "steering poison" snippet was taken. I can see how a few right-wing crazies must have fished through it [[poor things, all that work) looking for something they could use, and found that little clip and passed it around to whip up some typical faux outrage. Yes, he talks about racial issues and past injustices, which nobody so far has challenged as false. He talks about these things in the context of how to move forward without repeating past mistakes. If that makes him a dangerous racist asshole in your mind, so be it.

What'll hurt Obama is that most of the people passing judgment are lazy, drooling idiots who don't bother to read, they just take the hyperbole as fact and run with it.

That darn uppity Negro! Reverse Pat Buchanan.

[ccbatson]

Missed the parts where he alleges that white environmentalists are purposely poisoning minorities, did you?

[Lorax]

Yeah, actually I did, though I didn't consider it racist.

The Reich is foaming at the mouth about Obama being a Nazi, communist, illegitimate president, non-citizen, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Bush was a racist who left an African-American city to die before and after Katrina.

Not to mention how Jones is the one behind the loss of over 2 dozen advertisers from the Glenda Speck show, due to his calling Obama a "racist."

Payback's a bitch, thugs.

[Diehard]

Missed the parts where he alleges that white environmentalists are purposely poisoning minorities, did you?

Dude, can you even effing READ? I posted the entire interview, with context, from which that 36-second snippet was taken. And those weren't his words.
Too much work for you to go back and look at it?

[ejames01]

More false outrage. Like anyone here actually gives a shit about Van Jones OR Green Jobs? What the hell is a green job anyway?

[ziggyselbin]

Here is what I think is a valid editorial from Peggy Noonan in the WSJ.


I don't give much credibility to Glenn Beck. Not because he is conservative ; rather because he is a windbag .



http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html

[ccbatson]

Oh, now I get it, if someone doesn't think that a publicly spewed and false allegation that one race is poisoning another is racist, then we know the nature of that someone and can disregard them as having no credibility as they are not encumbered by rational thought.

[Mikeg]

Breaking News Alert:


Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy


By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer Will Lester, Associated Press Writer – 24 mins ago
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's adviser Van Jones has resigned amid controversy over past inflammatory statements, the White House said early Sunday.
Van Jones, an administration official specializing in environmentally friendly "green jobs" with the White House Council on Environmental Quality was linked to efforts suggesting a government role in the 2001 terror attacks and to derogatory comments about Republicans.
The resignation comes as Obama is working to regain his footing in the contentious health care debate.............

[barnesfoto]

"Here is what I think is a valid editorial from Peggy Noonan in the WSJ."

Peggy Noonan is a brilliant propagandist, but she is a propagandist. Did she not write Ray-Guns famous speech describing Islamic Extremists in Afghanistan as "The Moral Equivalent of our Founding Fathers"?

[[Hmmm, wonder if Bin Laden or Gulbuddin Hakmaytar ever got the engraved awards sent by the gipper)

The only valid thing Peggy has ever written is this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1...461/782/419257

I have as much admiration for Peggy Noonan as I do for Hermann Goering, who spoke these eloquent words at the Nuremburg Trials:


"Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger. "

[oladub]

Variations of Goering's 'the emergency is upon us' threat were also used to pass the Patriot Act, Bush's Wall Street bailout, and Obama's Porkulus. There was no time to even read those emergency bills.

Also consider Peggy Noonan's ode to the 9/11 firemen.
Courage Under Fire
The 21st century's first war heroes.

Too bad about Van Jones. I read Diehard's link to the Van Jones interview. Van Jones seemed like a work in progress but with a lot of rough edges moving himself from being a self-described communist to something approaching a green capitalist. He was visionary enough to notice the disconnect between the downtrodden and ecology and was trying to put those two together. Van Jones failed to mention the obvious first step of eliminating subsidies to conventional energy. Nor did he mentions developing our present glut of natural gas as a relatively clean way of bridging the gap to a more solar future. For instance, tens of thousands of jobs could also have been created converting vehicles to burning natural gas.

[Lorax]

He apparently recused himself because of some petition he signed that sought to validate the idea that the Tush Administration was behind 9/11.

Which is the case, as far as I'm concerned, certainly they puposely were unprepared and chose not to have military aircraft anywhere near DC or NY that day.

Not a view that is so controversial among the majority of Americans I know.

[vetalalumni]

Peggy Noonan is a brilliant propagandist, but she is a propagandist. Did she not write Ray-Guns famous speech describing Islamic Extremists in Afghanistan as "The Moral Equivalent of our Founding Fathers"?

[[Hmmm, wonder if Bin Laden or Gulbuddin Hakmaytar ever got the engraved awards sent by the gipper)

The only valid thing Peggy has ever written is this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1...461/782/419257

I have as much admiration for Peggy Noonan as I do for Hermann Goering, who spoke these eloquent words at the Nuremburg Trials:


"Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger. "

Peggy Noonan is indeed coruscant herself, however, all that coruscates is not gold. We can go on and on about her if neccessary? There is a very large amount of criticism we can loft at her.

Regarding her editorial, that can be easily picked apart as well. That said, she is skilled and that is admirable. Her skills also leave her convinced of herself.

[Papasito]

Well, turns out Van Jones is a bigger man than expected.

Van Jones Resigns
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090906/...dviser_resigns

In one way, it's admirable that he stepped down over "inflammatory statements made before he joined the administration", but at the same time, his reason for stepping down was "Van Jones "understood that he was going to get in the way" of President Barack Obama's agenda", which, of course, by letting B.O.'s agenda be successful will further Jones socialist dreams for the country more than he personally ever could achieve.

Way to take one for the Commie team, Jones!

What ever happened to the proud Democrats of JFK who defended American principles and PROTECTED US from excessive socialism and communism? They became less like John and more like Ted, thats what.

[ccbatson]

"Bigger man"? How so?

One down, 36 to go...well, 37 really as Obama is the architect.

Holdern, Sunstein, Emanuel [[Ezekiel) each just as radical and Marxist as Jones.

Obama can't scrub out who he is, Jones brought this to the attention of the people, his resignation is the beginning, not the end.

[Sstashmoo]

From the article above: ""resigned after what he called a "vicious smear campaign against me.""

This is so Monica Conyeresque in so many ways.

They must have read my posts and he then resigned.

[ccbatson]

I believe Glen Beck may deserve most of the credit. He outed this guy over the last 2 weeks and was getting record breaking ratings while doing it.

[Sstashmoo]

Although it would have looked better had the President came out and said-- something to the affect: Our vetting process failed blahblah, throw the dude under the bus so to speak. Simply having him quit and blaming the media, does not do away with the fact that Obama appointed him.

[Diehard]

I believe Glen Beck may deserve most of the credit. He outed this guy over the last 2 weeks and was getting record breaking ratings while doing it.

No, Beck took a couple of things Jones said out of context and ranted and pounded the desk about what HE thought Jones must have meant. Oh, and of course it fit in nicely with his anti-Obama position. Anyone can do that. Of course, you and your fellow Beckophiles took it as the truth from on high.
Did you ever get around to reading the Jones interview you keep misquoting? I made it easy for you. You didn't? Why am I surprised?

[UFO]

You mean the one where he flames racial tensions?

No need to read it, we heard it with our own ears.

Imagine if this had been a white czar[[czar,what a joke) appointed by Bush blaming black people for all the violent crimes in our inner cities.

That white czar wouldnt have made it past a day much less 2 weeks.

There is no room for race card players, race baiting or flamers in high offices.

Im glad he got fired. Good riddance and I hope he never finds work again.

[Diehard]

For kicks, let's do a Glenn Beck treatment on CCBatson.

Oh, now I get it, if someone doesn't think that a publicly

Publicly? It was in an interview with a Global Public Media reporter, five years before Jones was serving in a government position. Not a press conference, not a speech given to the general public, not an op-ed piece in the New York Times. So let's call it semi-public. It was a lot harder to find the actual interview than the video clip that the Beckophiles are passing around and you keep misquoting.

spewed

Having seen the video clip, I'm sure you'd agree it was said calmly, not in anger. "Spewed" is absoutely incorrect. Therefore, you're lying.

and false allegation

The allegation is that historically, minorities have borne the brunt of pollution more than whites. There are studies that confirm this, and if you really want, I'll go get some and post them here for you to ignore. On the other hand, if you insist that the claim is false, then the burden of proof is on you to show that it is. You won't, so now we can call you lazy.

that one race is poisoning another

The actual quote is "the white polluters and the white environmentalists are essentially steering poison into the people of color communities." It's a minor distinction, but steering poison into a community is not the same as poisoning. He also does not say that ALL whites are poisoning ALL of another race. He says "white polluters and white environmentalists." If there exists a single white person who is neither a polluter nor an environmentalist, then your claim is false, so again you're lying. Splitting hairs, I know, but this is what your beloved Glenn Beck and his gang do as well.

is racist

No, I think it calls for further study. To dismiss the claim as "racist" and completely without merit is lazy, and perhaps racist in itself.

then we know the nature of that someone and can disregard them as having no credibility as they are not encumbered by rational thought.

Exactly my point. We've determined that you, sir, are a lying, lazy racist, unencumbered by rational thought and having no credibility, and we can now disregard you as such.

Snap judgments are fun, aren't they?

[Diehard]

This IS fun. Let's go ahead and dismiss UFO too.

You mean the one where he flames racial tensions?

No such interview, article or speech exists.

No need to read it

Because you would be too lazy to do so anyway.

we heard it with our own ears.

Heard what? If there's a speech in which he "flames racial tensions," surely you can share it here.

Imagine if this had been a white czar[[czar,what a joke) appointed by Bush blaming black people for all the violent crimes in our inner cities.
That white czar wouldnt have made it past a day much less 2 weeks.

Yes, that would be true, if such a ridiculous thing were to have happened. It didn't, but we can "imagine." What's your point?

There is no room for race card players, race baiting or flamers in high offices.

True. Monica Conyers and Kwame Kilpatrick are two examples of race-baiters who got run out of office, and rightly so. What does this have to do with the man we're discussing here?

Im glad he got fired.

He resigned.

Good riddance

Can we assume, then, that you hate the environment, women, minorities, Native Americans and coal miners? Because, in his position, he was an advocate for all of them.

and I hope he never finds work again.

Can we assume you want him to live the rest of his life on welfare or resorting to crime to survive? Why would you wish for someone to not be able to earn a living?

So, Glenn Beck-style, by the logic spelled out here, you are a pollution-loving, racist, misogynistic, lazy liar who wants to see a man turn to a life of crime. Dismissed.

[UFO]

*yawn* Ok whatever, Im glad the race baiter resigned. [[yes, right)

[Diehard]

*yawn* Ok whatever, Im glad the race baiter resigned. [[yes, right)

We've dismissed you as a a pollution-loving, racist, misogynistic, lazy liar who wants to see a man turn to a life of crime, remember? Why are you still here?

[UFO]

Because its fun to watch blind followers squirm and squeal and pick apart peoples responses trying to justify their loss by twisting spinning and name calling like any other loser.

thats why, now go have a drink and stop trying to justify your defense of a race baiter.

Hes gone, fired, he wont be back because he is an embarassment to the white house.

Get over it.