Lake St Clair is polluted - pure and simple

[O3H]

The problem exists here in Michigan , the Great Lakes State.
The planners made a decision via the Interceptors that almost all
toilet waste goes to Detroit in 1 big massive plant instead of a divide and conquer strategy.

Oxford,MI is connected to Detroit for toilet waste processing.
That is ridiculous.

[Bigb23]

Nobody posted this yet?

What 'Muracans' do to Canadian Geese.

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[Danny]

Yes, we do pollute the once clean lakes as well we bathe, drink and cook out food into. Like the East Indians do it the Ganges River.

Use it as a world's largest cesspool will not do.

[Worldsgreatest]

give me a break, there's like millions of gallons of fresh water pumped into the great lakes every hour. I'm not convinced lake st clair is overly polluted at least not compared to major bodies of water on other major cities.

You can't even touch the Hudson river without filling your entire body with penicillin first.

[Bigb23]

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Thank you Google - Canadian Goose diapers are 25% off at Target.

[Zacha341]

^^^ I can only imagine the smell............

[bust]

Worldsgreatest, your information is about 30 years old. Which may be older than you.

How is the Hudson Doing?
https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/77105.html

During major storms there are still occasional sewage overflows, but the Hudson's biggest problems today are from industrial pollution in sediment deposited decades ago. Thanks GE, GM, and others.

I couldn't quickly find good info on Lake St. Clair, but as someone familiar with both bodies of water my impression is the Hudson has more problems of trace contaminants from industrial pollution and Lake St. Clair is worse for sewage -- the kind of pollution you can see and smell. Thanks Oakland and Macomb counties.

Antibiotics are likely to help you more in Lake St. Clair.

[O3H]

IN MICHIGAN, yeah right here in your backyard

St. Clair River has the massive Chemical Valley,
a 15-mile stretch of the riverfront in Sarnia, Ontario,
that manufactures 40% of Canada’s petrochemicals.

More than 700 chemical spills into the St. Clair River
were documented from factories there from 1986 to 2000.

The Shell Canada fuel dock, a cargo ship fueling station,
where river sediments contain high levels of harmful PCBs and mercury.
Officials believe the contamination isn't from Shell, but migrated downstream
from the Dow Sarnia plant, which shut down in 2009

Lake St Clair isn't exactly wonderful

A 2014 report by the Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory
concluded that the amount of time it takes for a Sarnia spill
to reach water intakes on the U.S. side “can be on the order of minutes.”

[Zacha341]

What impact will this having on drinking water in Detroit? It can't be good...

[softailrider]

Been buying some damm good walleye this spring. I’m thinking it might come from there - pretty tasty!

[O3H]

Drinking water plants do NOT test for 10,000+ chemicals , they just don't.

There is a reason most Drinking Water comes from the north - Lake Huron

--- VERY few people get their drinking water, direct from Lake St Clair --

[Jimaz]

Here's another bizarre water issue:

How Nestle Makes Billions Bottling Free Water | Direct From With Dena Takruri - AJ+

Nestle, the world’s largest food and beverage company, bottles Michigan’s water for next to nothing and sells it at great profit. And the state has just approved its request to pump even more, despite the failed promise of jobs and 80,000 public comments against Nestle. Meanwhile, just two hours away, Flint still doesn't have clean water. AJ+'s Dena Takruri meets those who have a stake in this fight, including local environmentalists, a tribal citizen, ordinary residents and a Nestle spokeswoman.

This is from about a year ago. They pay only $200 for millions of gallons of Michigan water?! How can that not be wrong?

[Johnnny5]

Here's another bizarre water issue:

How Nestle Makes Billions Bottling Free Water | Direct From With Dena Takruri - AJ+This is from about a year ago. They pay only $200 for millions of gallons of Michigan water?! How can that not be wrong?

We had a thread on this a few years ago. The area where Nestle draws the water from is a known for Artesian wells and springs. In other words, there's so much ground water that it self pressurizes and forces itself to the surface. The water that Nestle is drawing would have just made its way up naturally and 10 miles to the West would have dumped into Lake Michigan. Not much different than farmers drawing well water without being charged, and Neslte probably has less of an environmental impact as there is little runoff.

The well water in that area is a constantly renewing resource and using it employs local residents in an area with the highest unemployment rate in the state. I'm all for protecting the environment [[And against the wastefulness of bottled water in general), but the actual wells haven't been shown to have any significant impact on the environment. I remember doing the math on the last thread and Nestle's annual draw was equivalent to less than a minute of flow for the Detroit River.

[O3H]

TAX the holy hell bejeesus ever sucking life of god out of Nestle.
They make a zillion dollars profit from something Michigan has.

Until society treats FRESH Water = Gold, Platinum, Diamonds
it will constantly be shit on, contaminated, & polluted.

Clean, purified, drinkable water delivered under pressure to a home
is a resource we do NOT value, take for granted, and never really dwell upon

It is NOT free, it was never free, and should not be treated as such

The harsh reality it should cost everyone DOUBLE/TRIPLE what it does.
Only then will people truly make a fuss over protecting it, valuing it

Perhaps some need to be locked in a cage for 3 days without ANY.
All the creature comforts, but zero water available, none, not a drop.
Gold pillows, platinum serving trays, diamond encrusted phones, etc.
Absolutely none. Some chocolate, cookies and peanuts to snack on.
Extend the experiment to a week, then take cash bids on a quart.

[Bigdd]

TAX the holy hell bejeesus ever sucking life of god out of Nestle.
They make a zillion dollars profit from something Michigan has.

Until society treats FRESH Water = Gold, Platinum, Diamonds
it will constantly be shit on, contaminated, & polluted.

Clean, purified, drinkable water delivered under pressure to a home
is a resource we do NOT value, take for granted, and never really dwell upon

It is NOT free, it was never free, and should not be treated as such

The harsh reality it should cost everyone DOUBLE/TRIPLE what it does.
Only then will people truly make a fuss over protecting it, valuing it

Perhaps some need to be locked in a cage for 3 days without ANY.
All the creature comforts, but zero water available, none, not a drop.
Gold pillows, platinum serving trays, diamond encrusted phones, etc.
Absolutely none. Some chocolate, cookies and peanuts to snack on.
Extend the experiment to a week, then take cash bids on a quart.

Drive more. Almost all of what comes out of your tailpipe is water,.. in the form of steam. It condenses and comes down somewhere as rain. Essentially distilled water.

I'm doing my part. May go to the Auburn auction next week and buy a 6,000 lb car that gets single digit fuel mileage, so I can do my part to save the planet.

[O3H]

I'll do my part to inform the public that what was built
a few decades ago repeatedly, chronically, OVERflows into LakeStClair

https://miwaters.deq.state.mi.us/miw.../overflow/list

George W. Kuhn Drainage District
HNP-CQ7T-SDJ87
George W Kuhn Dr Dist CSO RTB
MI0026115
Completed
RTB Discharge
5/1/2019 -5/1/2019
Red Run Drain
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George W. Kuhn Drainage District
HNP-7972-53CT2
George W Kuhn Dr Dist CSO RTB
MI0026115
Completed
RTB Discharge
4/26/2019 -4/26/2019
Red Run Drain
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George W. Kuhn Drainage District
HNN-QGBR-KN3WH
George W Kuhn Dr Dist CSO RTB
MI0026115
Completed
RTB Discharge
4/20/2019 - 4/20/2019
Red Run Drain
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George W. Kuhn Drainage District
HNN-6X3W-PMJFV
George W Kuhn Dr Dist CSO RTB
MI0026115
Completed
RTB Discharge
3/30/2019 - 3/31/2019
Red Run Drain
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George W. Kuhn Drainage District
HNM-Q9AY-7HJ1R
George W Kuhn Dr Dist CSO RTB
MI0026115
Completed
RTB Discharge
3/10/2019 - 3/10/2019
Red Run Drain
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George W. Kuhn Drainage District
HNK-6N9S-R3GSN
George W Kuhn Dr Dist CSO RTB
MI0026115
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RTB Discharge
12/31/2018 - 1/1/2019
Red Run Drain





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We are fast approaching 2020+
and its pretty much the same song & dance

The word of the day = WEIR [[hint , its mentioned in that 1950's article)

[Bigdd]

I'll do my part to inform the public that what was built a few decades ago repeatedly, chronically, OVERflows into LakeStClair

https://miwaters.deq.state.mi.us/miw.../overflow/list

Where do you see that? None of the receiving waters listed in your link are Lake St. Clair?

A couple are into Lake Huron,, which eventually makes it's way there via the Clinton River.. but none of that would be from Red Run.




And Red Run began being used for sewer 200 years ago, not a couple decades ago.

The above report from 1958 was not it's creation, just an update on some maintenance and improvements.




Also, sewerage in a lake isn't as bad as some environmental alarmist would have you believe.

For one,. all fish are pooping in it every day, so unless you're going to put diapers on all of those fish,.. and then change them every day....

Also, many of the things in the sewerage [[the natural stuff at least) can be beneficial. On the West coast they spent huge money on sewer systems and also outlawed boaters from pumping out their toilets into the water with their macerator pumps,.. and the end result was a big drop off in nitrates in the water. The fish population took a big hit.

A warning a couple times a year not to swim in the lake after a big storm isn't one of our top 1,000 problems.

What WOULD be nice though is for everyone to have a separate storm drain system.

[O3H]

Some people don't read well, and comprehend even worse,
even when illustrations, pictures are given to them.
Maybe a bit too much fish eating DOES hurt the neurological functioning.
Please keep fishing & eating them , those fishing permits help the economy

The Red Run connects to the Clinton River which flows to Lake St Clair.
Lake St Clair connects to the Detroit River.

YES - Macomb County does have an issue with its Chapaton facility releasing to Lake St Clair. Candice Miller is committed to working on it.

Large sections of Macomb County get their drinking water from Lake Huron, way up above the chemical valley of Sarnia , the St Clair River, and Lake St Clair.

[Gistok]

Some people don't read well, and comprehend even worse,
even when illustrations, pictures are given to them.

YES - Macomb County does have an issue with its Chapaton facility releasing to Lake St Clair. Candice Miller is committed to working on it.

No... not a problem with people reading well... it's more likely your incessant droning on about the same thing over and over and over again. We just tune you out!

As for the Chapeton Facility... that's at 9 Mile & Jefferson. Which beach does that affect?

[O3H]

When the green goo starts in Lake St Clair - just as it does in Lake Erie -
DO NOT ask any question, just drink it, like it, and ask for more.

I guess the newspapers , the DEQ and the EPA aren't enough warning

Some prefer their news, from other sources..........
[[move mouse over pic, right mouse click, choose open in new tab)

[O3H]

[rb336]

As for the Chapeton Facility... that's at 9 Mile & Jefferson. Which beach does that affect?

Not sure what your point is here - it's not like there are barriers directing the effluent to specific locations.

Yes, all of those issues are part of the problem but there is also the issue of fertilizer run-off that feeds the issue. Of course ALL of this would be less of an issue if the great filters that were the swamps and other wetlands were in place [[this is especially the case for the Lake Erie issues, but also applies to SC) to remove the nutrients that feed the algae blooms and bacteria.

[Honky Tonk]

No... not a problem with people reading well... it's more likely your incessant droning on about the same thing over and over and over again. We just tune you out!

As for the Chapeton Facility... that's at 9 Mile & Jefferson. Which beach does that affect?

Jefferson Beach?

[Zacha341]

There's no amount of money that would have me swim in that!

[O3H]

People need to think DELTA - as in sediment drop out.
When any river hits a large body of water it slows, looses velocity.
The particulates drop out, tire fragments, metal flakes, etc,etc, etc.

Stormwater runoff is a nasty pollutant we humans create for waterways.
Go ahead LICK the parking lot of Field & Stream at Oakland Mall.
Perhaps you prefer the flavor of Bed Bath & Beyond or Lakeside Mall.
How about some GM/Chrysler/Ford automotive plant lots with a bit of
U.S. Army’s Tank-Automotive and ArmamentsCommand [[TACOM) and Tank Automotive Research, Development and Engineering Center[[TARDEC) facilities ?

The Mound Road Industrial Corridor is 9 miles of
hard core manufacturing located in Sterling Heights & Warren.
Warren and SterlingHeights – the 3rd and 4th largest cities in Michigan with a combined population of 265,000 residents + INDUSTRIAL MFG.

https://gis.macombgov.org/portal1/ap...3e8359b517e1d2

Did I mention Mt Clemens has a new kayak launch on the Clinton River.
Swallow some goodness when you capsize as a newbie on the the water