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    Default Welcome to big city California Land

    How can a place with 58,000 homeless people continue to function?

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/edito...htmlstory.html

    From article:

    Consider the pairs of thick gloves that George Abou-Daoud has stashed inside the nine restaurants he owns on the east side of Hollywood. When a homeless person accosts his customers, Abou-Daoud says, he can no longer count on the police for help; unless there’s an imminent threat to safety, he contends, they don’t respond quickly and can’t just haul the person away. So he’s had to take matters into his own hands, literally, by physically ejecting problematic homeless people himself. That’s why he has the gloves — to keep his hands clean.

    Abou-Daoud’s gloves are a particularly bleak symbol of the relationship between the homeless and the non-homeless. But everyone’s got a story of one sort or another. Day in and day out, Metro riders step into trains with homeless people on them — often visibly disturbed or threatening, prompting nervous passengers to edge away or change cars.

    Parts of San Francisco dirtier than foreign slums, UC Berkeley infectious disease expert says

    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...s-12627779.php
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    “When you add the $550 million for public safety and nearly $500 million for healthcare, the total cost for illegal immigrants to county taxpayers exceeds $1.6 billion dollars a year,” Antonovich said in a statement. “These costs do not even include the hundreds of millions of dollars spent annually for education.”

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/09/16/undocumented-la-county-parents-projected-to-receive-650m-in-welfare-benefits/

    ^ And that is just related to DACA

    It is expensive to be a sanctuary city where Americans become second in line.

    They do have a solution though,a company there has developed a park bench that has retractable spikes in it.

    When you want to sit down, pop a quarter in for 10 minutes,the spikes retract,when your time is coming up a little buzzer sounds to warn you that the spikes are getting ready to pop back up.

    The girl that organized the million student march had a solution of taxing the 1% at a 90% rate would solve all of our problems,of course when she was reminded that doing that would only fund medicade for 3 years and nothing would be left over for anything else,she had not other solutions other then it would work.

    That is what they learn in collage.
    Last edited by Richard; March-02-18 at 09:00 AM.

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    Default U.S. News Best States Rankings

    U.S. News Best States Rankings

    California comes out #32 in this ranking. It's economy is rated 4th. in the Country while it ranks #50, dead last, for quality of life. This article credits high tech for the good economy. I would add that California also benefits greatly by being the center of so much Asian trade; linking Asian manufacturing and cheap labor with its U.S. market.

    California has the 7th. worst income inequality in the U.S.. Its 1% averages $1.4M and its bottom 99% average $49k of income annually. It voted 62% Clinton and 33% Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    California has the 7th. worst income inequality in the U.S.. Its 1% averages $1.4M and its bottom 99% average $49k of income annually. It voted 62% Clinton and 33% Trump.
    And if you broke down those Clinton and Trump voters by income level, what do you think you might find?

    Fox News exit poll for California, 2016:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elec...dent&filter=CA

    Trump performed best with Californians who make over 100K a year. Hillary performed best with those who make less than 50K a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aj3647 View Post
    And if you broke down those Clinton and Trump voters by income level, what do you think you might find?

    Fox News exit poll for California, 2016:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elec...dent&filter=CA

    Trump performed best with Californians who make over 100K a year. Hillary performed best with those who make less than 50K a year.
    aj, It doesn't matter, California is a one party state. California policies and laws are made by Democrats. If California has very low income equality, you an hardly infer that it is because Republicans get outvoted there all the time. Of the 10 states listed with the most income inequality, 6 were blue CA, NJ, NY, CT, MA, IL, 2 were purple NV, FL, and 2 were Republican TX and WY. NY has the most income inequality of any state. Republicans aren't responsible for income inequality in CA; Democrats are.

    New affordable housing in Santa Cruz where the median home value is $860,000.
    Last edited by oladub; March-02-18 at 02:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    aj, It doesn't matter, California is a one party state. California policies and laws are made by Democrats. If California has very low income equality, you an hardly infer that it is because Republicans get outvoted there all the time. Of the 10 states listed with the most income inequality, 6 were blue CA, NJ, NY, CT, MA, IL, 2 were purple NV, FL, and 2 were Republican TX and WY. NY has the most income inequality of any state. Republicans aren't responsible for income inequality in CA; Democrats are.

    New affordable housing in Santa Cruz where the median home value is $860,000.
    Yes, California has high income inequality...because the richest people in America choose to live there for a wide variety of reason [[good weather, ocean coast, work in Silicon Valley, etc.). Is it really better to say that West Virginia or Alabama or Mississippi are better off than CA because those states are more uniformly poor and thus have less income inequality? Which party runs those states again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aj3647 View Post
    Yes, California has high income inequality...because the richest people in America choose to live there for a wide variety of reason [[good weather, ocean coast, work in Silicon Valley, etc.). Is it really better to say that West Virginia or Alabama or Mississippi are better off than CA because those states are more uniformly poor and thus have less income inequality? Which party runs those states again?
    aj, California is a one party state in which that Party allows income inequality. Whether or not rich people choose to live there for good weather as you claimed, the US News article lists California at the bottom for quality of life. That is after averaging California's 1% into the mix. It is still #50. If billionaires moved to Norway for skiing or job opportunities, I doubt that Norway's government would condone California's income differential and homelessness. Scandinavian social democrats and California Democrats created different outcomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aj3647 View Post
    And if you broke down those Clinton and Trump voters by income level, what do you think you might find?

    Fox News exit poll for California, 2016:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elec...dent&filter=CA

    Trump performed best with Californians who make over 100K a year. Hillary performed best with those who make less than 50K a year.
    If you notice in California the Hillary supporters were largely in the inner large cities so why is there so much income inequality in the inner cities that are under democrat control ?

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    Because the left elite are behaving like the republican elite when they get their turn, apparently.

    Oh drats, the regular folks 'the people' remain on the bottom looking upward -- still hopeful -- to the high places of endorsed power -- who'd have thought! **sarc**

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    If you notice in California the Hillary supporters were largely in the inner large cities so why is there so much income inequality in the inner cities that are under democrat control ?
    Last edited by Zacha341; March-02-18 at 03:50 PM.

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    So beyond the debate as to which party/ worldview rules, can California continue on this track? Does a germ plague [[btw, microbs care little about your political affiliation) need to happen before they address this problem? I think even rank-and-files liberals are getting angry about this down-turn of their cities, especially parents with children living in such conditions.

    Well, as long as the taxpayer working stiffs pay the power-elite [[insert whichever party/ politicians you love or hate) can continue looking the other way [[as they have for decades). They can afford to. Pacific Heights, Haight Ashbury and Potrero Hill etc. are far away enough yet from the dirt and filth. It does not affect them in a direct manner. Not yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacha341 View Post
    So beyond the debate as to which party/ worldview rules, can California continue on this track? Does a germ plague [[btw, microbs care little about your political affiliation) need to happen before they address this problem? I think even rank-and-files liberals are getting angry about this down-turn of their cities, especially parents with children living in such conditions.
    ..............................
    Don't worry. It will all get better when California succeeds from the Union.

    All kidding aside, how long before Cali exports their problems to the surrounding states?

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    ^ money knows no political boundaries.

    Thats why I like your mayor,even though he is a dem,with his 20% requirements for housing mix,he is planning now for the future.

    California has a massive pension fund issue that is going to be a game changer so their ride downhill is gaining momentum.

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    Exactly--! The money may run out before the rhetoric... I have family there and very concerned!

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    ^ money knows no political boundaries.
    Last edited by Zacha341; March-03-18 at 07:03 AM.

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    I think half of the state wants to succeed from the other half.

    They remind me of some of the immigrants from other countries,you moved from a place that clearly was not working out for you and then want to change the place that you moved to,into what you left.

    If I want to eat red meat and do not want to drive a Prius everywhere,that is my business and I do not need some government regulation telling me I have to.

    That is their favorite thing,do not like something,get the government to pass a mandate or law to stop it.

    The political map is the major cities are blue, the rest of the state is red but the 3 major cities try and control the whole state,thank god for the electoral vote when it comes to presidential elections.

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    I certainly hope it doesn't succeed in seceding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck View Post
    I certainly hope it doesn't succeed in seceding.
    Me either. If it does, Nevada will have to build a wall.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray1936 View Post
    Me either. If it does, Nevada will have to build a wall.............

    ....and make California PAY for it!

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    Who knows maybe they will hook up with Mexico and help them get their land back.

    It would probably look good on paper to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Who knows maybe they will hook up with Mexico and help them get their land back.

    It would probably look good on paper to them.
    As long as they get rid of the typos.
    Last edited by canuck; March-02-18 at 10:09 PM.

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    That might assuage the ever-present guilt of some to do so. LOL! Well except for the current mutant power ranger-elite, heels dug-in. I guess they'd have to finally relinquish their palaces, rarefied posh living, and big money.

    They did NOT quite want to go that far -- it will be argued. Hah!

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Who knows maybe they will hook up with Mexico and help them get their land back.

    It would probably look good on paper to them.
    Last edited by Zacha341; March-03-18 at 08:11 AM.

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    We live in an oligarchy. Both parties cater to the rich and the corporations and neither cares enough to fix the problems. The Dems might give lip service to caring but don't do enough.

    Heckler Confronts Pelosi "Whats Your Net Worth!?!?" -
    https://youtu.be/vGwZpoxQJpA

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    Bust, California IS [[that's present tense) a single party state. California voted 62% Clinton and 33% Trump. 39 of its 53 U.S. Representatives [[72%) are Democrats. Its Governor and both of its U.S. Senators are Democrats. Democrats own the homelessness and income inequality in California. Laws and progressive taxation can reduce those problems. I'm not recommending anything but what are Democrats waiting for? The US News article based its quality of life, California #50, rating on two general areas; environmental based on clean air, sewage treatment, and clean drinking water [[CA=#44) and states' ability to provide for well being[[CA=#47). California also scores 44th. out of 50 in its 8th. grade educational achievement scores [[2013). This is a state with, according to US News, the 4th. best economy in the country that has the 6th. worst public schools in the country; another example of inequality.
    Last edited by oladub; March-03-18 at 12:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    Bust, California IS [[that's present tense) a single party state. California voted 62% Clinton and 33% Trump. 39 of its 53 U.S. Representatives [[72%) are Democrats. Its Governor and both of its U.S. Senators are Democrats. Democrats own the homelessness and income inequality in California. Laws and progressive taxation can reduce those problems. I'm not recommending anything but what are Democrats waiting for? The US News article based its quality of life, California #50, rating on two general areas; environmental based on clean air, sewage treatment, and clean drinking water [[CA=#44) and states' ability to provide for well being[[CA=#47). California also scores 44th. out of 50 in its 8th. grade educational achievement scores [[2013). This is a state with, according to US News, the 4th. best economy in the country that has the 6th. worst public schools in the country; another example of inequality.
    Let's consider California's supposedly terrible quality of life.

    Would you rather live in North Dakota or California? North Dakota ranked first for quality of life according to US News, California last.

    If North Dakota, I don't think I'm reaching when I say I'm sure your opinion is in the tiny minority. Almost everyone would disagree. California has 52 times North Dakota's population in an area 2.3 times as big.

    Mind you, I agree California has lots of problems. But quality of life isn't among them. There are reasons so many prefer to be homeless in LA instead of Fargo. Like so many others they've produced, this US News ranking is highly suspect.

    That said I agree with you the powers-that-be could be and should be doing more to address inequality. But as is often the case, on a local level, those powers-that-be are real estate developers and landlords, and the local government officials they've bought.

    I don't have any science to support my hypothesis, but I don't think most influential landlords and developers, even in San Francisco, are democrats. President Trump, his [[still for now) Senior Advisor Jared Kushner, and their families are major players who belong to that class.

    Decades-Old Housing Discrimination Case Plagues Donald Trump
    https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/49595...imination-case

    Maryland Attorney General investigating Kushner-owned apartments
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...030-story.html
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    bust asked: "Would you rather live in North Dakota or California? North Dakota ranked first for quality of life according to US News, California last."

    bust, That depends. If I was a multi-millionaire and money was no object and I could build walls around my estate, I would rather live in California. I'm sure there are some good private schools there for the kids and of course all the fancy restaurants and good weather. But I'm not a multi-millionaire so I would prefer to live in a place where my family is safe, there are good public schools, I can afford housing, the children aren't subjected to liberal brainwashing, ND's murder rate is only 58% that of CA's, etc.. California's personal income tax is the highest in the Country and its effective total income tax is fifth highest. I did live in California for awhile and left in large part because government stacked the deck so much in favor of the rich there including allowing or creating artificial shortages of housing to drive up prices. Last year, 142,000 more people moved from CA to other states than moved to CA from other states for those kind of reasons I wound up living and raising family in the midwest and never regretted it. However, California, in my opinion, offers more vacation opportunities than North Dakota. I would rather go to California for vacations.

    Speaking of income equality, the Bank of North Dakota used to provide interest free loans to its college students to already inexpensive public universities. Unfortunately for North Dakotans, Obama expanded the federal role in student loans causing the end of that North Dakota program.
    Last edited by oladub; March-04-18 at 10:53 AM.

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    Yep, terrible:
    Buoyed by tax increases passed under his administration and a strong economy, Mr. Brown said Wednesday that the state is projecting a $6.1 billion surplus for the next fiscal year, which begins July 1.
    The governor proposed socking most of the money away in a rainy-day fund whose creation he pushed for in 2014. Nearly 70% of the state’s projected revenue of about $135 billion next fiscal year is derived from personal income taxes, according to the governor’s office.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/jerry-b...nia-1515624022

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