Is Beaumont Hospital really...

detmich · August-26-09, 12:48 PM

the best hospital in the world?

Please, share your experiences.

**izzyindetroit** · August-26-09, 12:50 PM

Hardly,

Beaumont Hospital and Dr. Aaron Berman, MD Killed My Mother!

gravitymachine · August-26-09, 12:56 PM

truck nutz!

**bailey** · August-26-09, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by izzyindetroit

Hardly,

Beaumont Hospital and Dr. Aaron Berman, MD Killed My Mother!

**pkbroch** · August-26-09, 01:13 PM

I see that suburban type vehicle all the time on Woodward. Driving up and down, sitting on the side of the road, weekdays and weekends. Does anyone know the story, I have never seen anything like that before.

**digitalvision** · August-26-09, 01:13 PM

Are they good and treated my friend VERY well? Sure. Nicest hospital suites I've ever been in [[spent a New Year's Eve there for a friend - it was a bit scary for a minute, but everything ended up well and there was 100% recovery).

Best in the world? If I've got some messed rare disease, send me to the Mayo clinic or something. But good, yes. So is DMC, so in balance Henry Ford. We actually have some pretty good hospitals. Each has their own specialties.

**rb336** · August-26-09, 01:22 PM

*your experience may vary*

I have had several experiences at Beaumont, both as a patient and as the son of a patient. With each experience, I ran into the same issues. The Docs were condescending and rude, arrogant beyond belief. On two different occasions, I [[for myself or my mother) requested second opinions, and both times [[docs in diff specialties) the doctors actually said they recommend AGAINST getting a second opinion. The cardiologist actually told my mother that he couldn't work with her that way. [[She went to Henry Ford for a second opinion, the doc their did had a different opinion, she went with him and was fine)

**dcmorrison12** · August-26-09, 01:29 PM

Interestingly enough - There was a study / poll done about the best hospital systems in America. Beaumont did not make the top 10 - However, Henry Ford Health Systems made the top 5. Go Detroit!

**SWMAP** · August-26-09, 01:33 PM

Henry Ford Health employs its doctors directly. They are not building up private businesses of thir own. Its just a different animal. More research and science-oriented than a community hospital like Beaumont. I wouldn't voluntarily go to beaumont and never, ever to oakwood - another community hospital.

**drjeff** · August-26-09, 01:40 PM

Henry Ford Hospital is outstanding.

**Gistok** · August-26-09, 01:51 PM

Can't speak for Beaumont... but St. John main hospital has vastly improved in the last 20 years [[all my family members have gone there). The new 7 story Van Elsander Pavilion is outstanding... with beautiful private suites [[where family members are allowed to stay overnight if the need arises)... and I can't say enough about the friendly doctors/nurses there. Mom was seriously ill, and they took wonderful care of her... and she's still alive and kicking...

crawford · August-26-09, 01:52 PM

Henry Ford in the burbs is good, but Beaumont is better. Best demographics of any metro hospital [[doctors want to work there and patients choose it above others).

Henry Ford in New Center; I would not go unless there was a specific specialist only available at that location. Even then, I'd consider my options.

**SWMAP** · August-26-09, 02:09 PM

Again, Beaumont is a hospital by a bunch of private businesspeople who are doctors. They need a place to send really sick patients. The hospital measures success by largely financial measures. HFHS [[for which I do not work and no one I know works there) is a scientific center of excellence. The Hospital employs the doctors to its standards. This is the same model that Mayo Clinic operates under.
However, many people I know just don't want to be in the city. or it's too far. A community hospital is the best choice for them.

**rb336** · August-26-09, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Gistok

The new 7 story Van Elsander Pavilion is outstanding... with beautiful private suites

I wonder if they got the furniture from Art Van

**Pam** · August-26-09, 02:19 PM

I have no idea, but their radio ads are freaking annoying.

**SWMAP** · August-26-09, 02:22 PM

Post script re: Henry Ford Hospital [[freom wikipedia):

"Henry Ford Hospital is a 903 bed hospital. Only physicians of the closed practice, Henry Ford Medical Group, can admit to Henry Ford Hospital. There are more than 1,000 physicians and scientists in the Henry Ford Medical Group. This model is the same model used at the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins Hospital and the Cleveland Clinic."

EastSider · August-26-09, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by SWMAP

Post script re: Henry Ford Hospital [[freom wikipedia):

"Henry Ford Hospital is a 903 bed hospital. Only physicians of the closed practice, Henry Ford Medical Group, can admit to Henry Ford Hospital. There are more than 1,000 physicians and scientists in the Henry Ford Medical Group. This model is the same model used at the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins Hospital and the Cleveland Clinic."

Well, if it's in Wikipedia, it must be true!

crawford · August-26-09, 02:55 PM

"The same model" does not mean "the same quality."
Wayne County Community College is based on "the same model" as Harvard.

Fact is, Beaumont is a better hospital for 95% of procedures.

LodgeDodger · August-26-09, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by pkbroch

I see that suburban type vehicle all the time on Woodward. Driving up and down, sitting on the side of the road, weekdays and weekends. Does anyone know the story, I have never seen anything like that before.

The guy is a scammer. On another site, he posted he was doing this until Beaumont paid him to go away.

**rb336** · August-26-09, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by crawford

"The same model" does not mean "the same quality."
Wayne County Community College is based on "the same model" as Harvard.

Fact is, Beaumont is a better hospital for 95% of procedures.

no, wc3d is not on anything like the same model as harvard. [[that is a wonderfully inept comparison)

Fact is? by whose measure? Beaumont's PR department?

**jt1** · August-26-09, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by SWMAP

Again, Beaumont is a hospital by a bunch of private businesspeople who are doctors. They need a place to send really sick patients. The hospital measures success by largely financial measures. HFHS [[for which I do not work and no one I know works there) is a scientific center of excellence. The Hospital employs the doctors to its standards. This is the same model that Mayo Clinic operates under.
However, many people I know just don't want to be in the city. or it's too far. A community hospital is the best choice for them.

Beaumont has the luxury to send away patients without insurance. They actually make it clear that if you don't have insurance they will stabilize you and send you somewhere that will treat you [[Read: DMC). For that reason alone I will not go to Beaumont.

Beaumont does not have the expertise in many fields so some of the claims that theya re better for 95% of procedures is not rooted in fact.

LodgeDodger · August-26-09, 03:42 PM

I've had two surgeries at Beaumont: tonsillectomy and knee surgery. Both experiences were just fine.

Mother had a number of heart procedures at Beaumont, all went very well.

**Gistok** · August-26-09, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by crawford

Henry Ford in the burbs is good, but Beaumont is better. Best demographics of any metro hospital [[doctors want to work there and patients choose it above others).

Henry Ford in New Center; I would not go unless there was a specific specialist only available at that location. Even then, I'd consider my options.

Crawford... your mind is stuck in a groove based on your line of work [[finding taco stand locations in Latin American countries)... so everything you post here goes down to... "location location location"....

Using demographics as a barometer for determining best hospitals is absurd.... but your logic must have a chink in its' armor... otherwise you would have chosen Crittendon [[even better demographics) over Beaumont!

**dtowncitylover** · August-26-09, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by pkbroch

I see that suburban type vehicle all the time on Woodward. Driving up and down, sitting on the side of the road, weekdays and weekends. Does anyone know the story, I have never seen anything like that before.

The woman who died was old already and died on the surgery table, not because of malpractice, but because she just gave up. But some people just don't want their mothers to go and so they need to scapegoat someone, eh? The guy needs to get over it.

As for me and my family, we dislike Beaumont. We prefer The Henry Ford and St. John's.

**Blueidone** · August-26-09, 06:53 PM

I am moving to Belleville shortly. Any suggestions for hospitals out in that area? I need several types of specialists and don't want to be travelling all over southeast Michigan to get my care. Is U of M the best place?

By the way...I had a problem with Beaumont 20 yrs ago or so when my mother was first being treated for a heart condition. But since then, I have been treated there myself twice and have been extremely happy with the care. My problem did not relate to the doctors...they were great...but with the nursing care back then. However, they seem to have improved greatly.

I don't know about side-by-side comparison as far as research and science, but I was involved in a research study at Beaumont regarding heart medications, and it was a very good experience.