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**Honky Tonk** · January-22-20, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by rb336

An "epiphany" is "a manifestation of a divine or supernatural being." I had no idea you felt that way about Ms. Clinton.

Here you go, rocket man...

Epiphany | Definition of Epiphany by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › epip...

3a[[1) : a usually sudden manifestation or perception of the essential nature or meaning of something. [[2) : an intuitive grasp of reality through something [[such as an event) usually simple and striking. [[3) : an illuminating discovery, realization, or disclosure.

**rb336** · January-23-20, 12:51 PM

Definition of epiphany

1capitalized : January 6 observed as a church festival in commemoration of the coming of the Magi as the first manifestation of Christ to the Gentiles or in the Eastern Church in commemoration of the baptism of Christ

2: an appearance or manifestation especially of a divine being

3a[[1): a usually sudden manifestation or perception of the essential nature or meaning of something
[[2): an intuitive grasp of reality through something [[such as an event) usually simple and striking
[[3): an illuminating discovery, realization, or disclosure

b: a revealing scene or moment

**canuck** · January-24-20, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Here you go, rocket man...

Epiphany | Definition of Epiphany by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › epip...

3a[[1) : a usually sudden manifestation or perception of the essential nature or meaning of something. [[2) : an intuitive grasp of reality through something [[such as an event) usually simple and striking. [[3) : an illuminating discovery, realization, or disclosure.

Geez, you are a good boy, Honky Tonk. Mom will bring you milk and cookies now. You just passed 3rd grade. You do know your new Maga cap came with a free degree from Chump U, don't you? Richard's Collage [[sic) degree was also issued from that famous long lived institution. Dog bless.

**Honky Tonk** · January-24-20, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by canuck

Geez, you are a good boy, Honky Tonk. Mom will bring you milk and cookies now. You just passed 3rd grade.

Yum-yum, cookies! And good old American milk! That's available in Canada now, eh? Passing the 3rd grade, I should be able to get a job as prime minister in Canada, eh?

**Pam** · January-26-20, 01:16 PM

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...bsOEiE.twitter

Sen. Bernie Sanders [[I-Vt.) has jumped out to a commanding lead over his 2020 Democratic primary opponents in New Hampshire, according to a new

CNN poll of the early primary state

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**Zacha341** · January-27-20, 08:55 PM

The concept of re-distribution is most viable and honored when dictated and applied to others! Didn't cha' know!

History makes the case.

Originally Posted by Richard

If Bernie was really serious about what he preaches he would re-distribute 90% of his votes to the candidates that have less then him.

**Jimaz** · January-28-20, 10:00 AM

Jamie Dimon Is Fine with Corporate Socialism

BernieSanders.com

**canuck** · January-29-20, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Yum-yum, cookies! And good old American milk! That's available in Canada now, eh? Passing the 3rd grade, I should be able to get a job as prime minister in Canada, eh?

Get someone to write these out for you Honky Tonk, yours keep falling flat.

**Zacha341** · January-30-20, 11:07 AM

The Democrats’ Bernie Bind

He could easily win the nomination [Sanders]...

From article:

...Once Warren accepted that she had no choice but to get into the health care details, she compounded the problem with a plan that alienated both moderates [[for its enormous cost) and progressives [[for delaying single-payer until the third year of her presidency).

Sanders, on the other hand, has a base of supporters who are not hung up on policy details, and in some cases, mock the very idea of them. The democratic-socialist hosts of the Chapo Trap House podcast wrote a best-selling book with the subtitle, “A Manifesto Against Logic, Facts and Reason.” Their more serious point was that facts and numbers are often wielded selectively and disingenuously by people trying to squelch socialistic ideas. When Sanders defiantly waves off an inconvenient data point pushed by a member of the hated corporate media, he gives his loyalists more reason to cheer.

Still, there is reason to believe that an attack on Sanders’ resistance to math would contain his rise. The Democratic Party has plenty of moderates who get nervous about overpromising and overreaching.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...ie-bind-106856

**Richard** · February-11-20, 11:41 PM

Bernie wins New Hampshire

In 2016 he held a 60% advantage over Hillary,although he won this one he did not get at least 30% in his own backyard.

Its not looking good as far as growing his base.

It does not matter that there are more candidates,he needed to get the 30% to show strength.

Super Tuesday coming up in Nevada and South Carolina will be a more deciding factor as both Sanders and Buttigieg have not polled well with minority’s.

Warren and Biden came up in last place but Bidens numbers may rise up in the south.

Sanders keeps attacking billionaires but it will be a billionaire that will set the infrastructure for him to draw on,he is not raising enough money to hold out long term so he is really bashing the one that may save him at the end of the run.

What is interesting to me anyways,is the amount of people showing up to hear these guys speak,a couple of hundred compared to Trumps thousands.

At any rate the practice runs are now over,Nevada and South Carolina will give us a better idea who is going to be disappointed come November.

**Zacha341** · February-12-20, 06:59 AM

In the end though, the dem oligarchy [[not so distinct from the repub oligarch in wanting to reserve their wealth) may still shove Bernie under the bus!

IMO, when all is said and done they really don't want a naked boiler-plate socialist/ marxist type like him re-distributing their wealth or weighing down their interests with more iron-fisted government restrictions.

Socialism may have alot of traction among an increasing numbers [[especially young American's who not studied history and find the Sanders 'narrative' appealing) but the power-elite are just playing along. For now...

Additionally, a sizable % of middle class red and blue [[whatever the far left thinks) realize that the get-the-rich Sanders 'pitch' will result in HIGHER TAXES - on the middle class!

Exempting the rich [[elite left and right)!

**Richard** · February-12-20, 09:47 AM

Yea here is his death tax

$3.5 million to $10 million: 45 percent tax
$10 million to $50 million: 50 percent tax
$50 million to $1 billion: 55 percent tax
more than $1 billion: 77 percent tax

The Post, citing Sanders aides, said the plan would raise $2.2 trillion from 588 billionaires, although it is unclear how long it would take to raise the money. Over the next 10 years, however, Sanders staffers told the Post the levy would reap $315 billion.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/31/bern...lionaires.html

So He is telling everybody that it would raise 2.2 trillion and has them thinking that it is how it will pay for the free stuff,when it actually only raises $315 billion over 10 years,so even if he wins and serves two terms it still will not be known how much it will actually raise until he is long gone.

It is an easy out for him.

I am still not sure how he claims it will help with income inequality,you save and gain wealth to pass down to your children and when you die,the government wants 45% of gained wealth that you have already paid taxes on while accumulating.

$3.5 million sounds like a lot,but when you look at real estate prices in some cities that could be 1 house that somebody bought years ago.

All of his plans are based on transferring the wealth to the government,with the amount of boomers passing on getting ready to peak,who hands is the money better off in.

The governments or directly to the descendents who will spend it directly into the economy?

Take polls with a grain of salt anymore but his show that he starts to lose supporters after they start accumulating wealth.

Mike Rowe said it best,if you promise somebody a basic income of $1000 a month,why $1000 and not $2000 or $3000?

**rb336** · February-12-20, 12:06 PM

Ah, Richard. Once again you are confusing a part for the whole.

**Richard** · February-12-20, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by rb336

Ah, Richard. Once again you are confusing a part for the whole.

You are even more confused if you do not think the parts make up the whole.

Andrew yang dropped out of the race.

His main talking point was UBI,so even after promising everybody a free $1000 per month just because they exist,he still could not sell it.

That is you guys problem,everybody that does not adhere to your beliefs are stupid and cannot see through the BS.

The country has been fighting the Bernie Sanders mindset for over 200 years,do you honestly believe people are ready to lay down?

Bernie and the other progressives are not coming up with any new revelations on how to run the country in thier eyes,all they are doing is manipulating misguided souls with the same old repackaged garbage and thinking it will sell.

If i tell you not to step on the rake,you will still do it expecting different results.

**Johnnny5** · February-12-20, 01:28 PM

I agree with Bernie that something needs to be done before the US devolves into an oligarchy ruled totally by the rich, but the problem with relying on the estate tax is that even if it was 99%, the rich simply aren't going to pay it. There are so many ways to dodge this tax as it stands that the only ones paying it now are those that have simply failed to plan, or that have no close heirs. Trusts, gifts before death, charitable deductions and those are just some of the legal options people use, and there are plenty of illegal means as well. Not to mention the estate taxes don't even kick in until a couples estate reaches 10 million dollars, so people can pass on millions tax free before they even have to bother trying to dodge them.

IMO the only way we're going to be able to fairly tax those of extreme wealth is by eliminating the preferential treatment given to capital gains and especially to stock options. Tax capital gains as regular income with a reasonable lifetime exemption that spares the middle class and capitalism in America might survive this century.

**Zacha341** · February-12-20, 02:15 PM

I heard that. I really do. Additionally, I don't want be ruled by a NEW boss, portending to be so benevolent, trying to seduce my support -- promising that they'll go after someone else [[their money or rights) on my behalf.

What happens when I 'become' that some else? Expedient to that promise?

Originally Posted by Johnnny5

I agree with Bernie that something needs to be done before the US devolves into an oligarchy ruled totally by the rich...

**Pam** · February-16-20, 10:15 AM

Teachers for Bernie.

https://youtu.be/CZGjCaRKu0c

**leapfrog** · February-17-20, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

Teachers for Bernie.

https://youtu.be/CZGjCaRKu0c

Another YouTube link like the link suggesting Hillary had Parkinson's?

**Richard** · February-17-20, 05:11 PM

Teachers are funded by the federal government?

Most school districts are self governing entities,they are not under federal control let alone local control,to campaign on the obvious and act like it’s the federal governments job to pay the teachers then one really questions if the teachers actually know who cuts their paycheck.

The only thing Bernie can do is federally take over the school system,which would make them government employees.

Maybe Bernie can name government employees that have become middle class or higher on the average on their salary.

Do those teachers interviewed actually believe they will receive more pay as a federal employee,let alone have anymore say in teaching methods?

Federal employee salaries on average lag behind those of the private sector by almost 31 percent, an advisory council said Tuesday,

They would actually make less comparatively under Bernieism.

The socialist party works because it collects money but does not pay it out to the workers.

How are you going to pay the teachers more,raise more taxes.

So the same amount of taxes needed to be raised locally just gets diverted to the federal government by the local agencies,now you need to collect and dispense these newly raised taxes at the federal level.

That also has to be paid for so you have to raise taxes again in order to pay to organize the taxes that you already raised.

It does not appear that those teachers are very educated on the system that they are purposing and supporting,which also raises other questions.

Agreed you can eliminate income inequality by making everybody equally poor,then you have nothing to judge it all on.

But then you have to give up any aspirations in life and just basically live to exist in order to feed the collective.

When the argument kicks in about mixing socialism in with capitalism where do you draw the line,history proves that you end up with one or another in the end.

**Pam** · February-17-20, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by leapfrog

Another YouTube link like the link suggesting Hillary had Parkinson's?

No. It's teachers for Bernie. Can't you read?

**Pam** · February-17-20, 07:41 PM

Bernie drawing big crowds in Colorado and California.

https://youtu.be/y4-dpKZUiQ8

https://youtu.be/RjAUeJVdxOU

**Pam** · February-18-20, 07:46 AM

17,000 at the Tacoma Dome in Washington state.

https://youtu.be/H6RAQ28IWR0

**Richard** · February-18-20, 01:37 PM

Looks like Bernie’s creeping up to the 30% mark,no leaps and bounds though.

Notice how the ones that were the front runners are now becoming the rear ones in the south?

The Deep South African Americans vote religiously,I do not thing Buttigieg is going to come out with the strong showing that he started out with.

But at any rate at their little campaign thingys they have free food,if they come to Florida I will have to check them out.

**Pam** · February-20-20, 07:02 AM

Democrats don't believe in democracy. Say what you will about Republicans but at least they don't have super delegates.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...ion-convention

Sen. Bernie Sanders was the lone voice on Wednesday night's debate stage in Las Vegas endorsing without reservation the idea that the candidate for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination with the most votes by this summer's convention in Milwaukee should be the party's standard bearer. All other five candidates onstage endorsed allowing the "process" to play out, which would mean allowing super-delegates to weigh in from the second ballot on, alongside the regular delegates earned from votes in the primary.

**Johnnny5** · February-20-20, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Pam

Democrats don't believe in democracy. Say what you will about Republicans but at least they don't have super delegates.

If Bernie has a clear lead, but the Democrats still choose someone else this July it's over for them. Not just the hope that they might reclaim the White House, but they might even end up losing the House as well. Especially if they end up allowing Bloomberg to buy it. In that case there's going to be very little excitement over replacing one old cantankerous billionaire with an even older and richer one.