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  1. #301

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    ^^^ Hah! Our cynicism in part is born out of over-doing-it shannigans LIKE THIS CLASSIC:

    "I don't feel NO WAYS TI'ARRD..." Hillary Clinton

    The far left politic, well meaning (eh' I'm sure) increasingly ascribes almost as party-favors how/ why we're where we are. While at the same time limiting our pathway to success if we deviate from their standard (orthodoxy). We've come to expect better from the dem side, but these ideologies are but another form of condescension (handling) as shown here:

    'I'm black': David Webb to CNN analyst accusing him of white privilege
    Last edited by Zacha341; September-01-19 at 06:30 PM.

  2. #302

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacha341 View Post
    ^^^ Hah! Our cynicism in part is born out of over-doing-it shannigans LIKE THIS CLASSIC:

    "I don't feel NO WAYS TI'ARRD..." Hillary Clinton

    The far left politic, well meaning (eh' I'm sure) increasingly ascribes almost as party-favors how/ why we're where we are. While at the same time limiting our pathway to success if we deviate from their standard (orthodoxy). We've come to expect better from the dem side, but these ideologies are but another form of condescension (handling) as shown here:

    'I'm black': David Webb to CNN analyst accusing him of white privilege

    ABSOLUTELY hysterical! Kudos, Zacha341! And I want to buy David Webb a beer!

  3. #303
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    Video highlighting some of Bernie's accomplisments.

    https://youtu.be/44m2LHT5DLc

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    Bernie is proposing to spend $2.5T/10years on new programs to guarantee every American — regardless of income — a fundamental right to a safe, decent, accessible, and affordable home” and would be paid for by a wealth tax on the top one-tenth of 1 percent of income earners.".

    Bernie's proposal is not to be confused with Elizabeth Warren's proposal of a "tax of 2% on households with net worth over $50 million and 3% on households with net worth over $1 billion." Warren's proposal was expected to raise $2.75T over 10 years." Warren is raising slightly more money ($2.75T vs $2.5T) by taking in 2 and 3% of wealth while Bernie is taking in only 1/10 of a percent of 1% of income earners. If I am understanding these numbers, they are wildly divergent. Either Bernie or Warren's numbers don't work.

    Warren wants to spend 3.3 M new houses for $445B. Bernie want to spend $1.88T to build 9.4M housing units.

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    Almost five months before the Iowa caucuses, the progressive Working Families Party announced its endorsement of Sen. Elizabeth Warren over Sen. Bernie Sanders in the 2020 presidential race on Monday.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/work...sanders-2019-9

    A quick search shows they are based out of Detroit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by user oladub

    Bernie is proposing to spend $2.5T/10years on new programs to guarantee every American — regardless of income — a fundamental right to a safe, decent, accessible, and affordable home” and would be paid for by a wealth tax on the top one-tenth of 1 percent of income earners.".

    Bernie's proposal is not to be confused with Elizabeth Warren's proposal of a "tax of 2% on households with net worth over $50 million and 3% on households with net worth over $1 billion." Warren's proposal was expected to raise $2.75T over 10 years." Warren is raising slightly more money ($2.75T vs $2.5T) by taking in 2 and 3% of wealth while Bernie is taking in only 1/10 of a percent of 1% of income earners. If I am understanding these numbers, they are wildly divergent. Either Bernie or Warren's numbers don't work.

    Warren wants to spend 3.3 M new houses for $445B. Bernie want to spend $1.88T to build 9.4M housing units.





    Not sure I see a discrepancy here. I haven't done any research, but looking at your quote, one tax applies based on net worth, the other refers to annual earnings.

    These are 2 different things.

    Also his tax, according to your quote doesn't even specify a rate; which Warren's does.

    Rather he's talking strictly about the percentage of people to whom it applies.

  7. #307

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    How exactly does that work?People say some cities are not safe,so you move everybody out of the city into a safe neighborhood?

    What happens when that neighborhood becomes unsafe?

    The is the problem with millionaires like Bernie and Warren,they say they are for the people but they lost touch with reality.

    The last time they tried that approach government funded it was really the projects under a nice sounding name,what makes them think it will be any different when funded by a rich tax?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Visitor View Post
    Not sure I see a discrepancy here. I haven't done any research, but looking at your quote, one tax applies based on net worth, the other refers to annual earnings.

    These are 2 different things.

    Also his tax, according to your quote doesn't even specify a rate; which Warren's does.

    Rather he's talking strictly about the percentage of people to whom it applies.
    Amount to be spent on subsidized or free housing Bernie $2.5T, Warren $2.75T

    Tax targets- both are wealth taxes as far as I know:

    Bernie would have to raise about the same amount of taxes from the 1/10% as Warren would from everyone with a net worth of over $50M. Neither mentioned any inflation adjustment.
    As an aside: Woodrow Wilson passed the income tax and the 16th. Amendment to allow it by promising his income tax would only tax with 4% with the highest incomes. Neither mentioned passing an amendment to allow a wealth tax.

    With their new wealth taxes, Bernie plans to build 3.3M housing units for $445B or an average cost of $134,848 each. Warren plans to build 9.4M housing units for $1.88T or an average cost of $191,489 each. Both will probably have to build much more expensive houses in Californian than in e.g. Arkansas to arrive at those averages. It's a win-win for California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    Amount to be spent on subsidized or free housing Bernie $2.5T, Warren $2.75T
    Verifiable source?

    Of course not.

  10. #310

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    ^^^ Here's the link from Sanders:

    Bernie Sanders says ‘housing must be a right’ with $2.5 trillion plan

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    Includes national rent control, community land trust, and housing assistance as an entitlement

    https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208...e-housing-plan


    A related link from Warren:
    Senator Warren Unveils Proposal to Tax Wealth of Ultra-Rich Americans

    Annual Tax on Richest 0.1% of Americans Would Generate $2.75 Trillion in Revenue Over Ten Years

    https://www.warren.senate.gov/newsro...rich-americans

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    ^^^ Sorry for the messy spacing above. Cannot edit even thru captcha confirmation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rb336 View Post
    Verifiable source?

    Of course not.
    Ask Zacha how to open the links I provided.

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    I posted what I could above... computer acting up. I'm out for a while......

    Then there's the verifiable source thing where the source is dismissed anyway if it does not agree with desired premise (even if source is verifiable) which is why I rarely do down the 'link' hole too much.
    Last edited by Zacha341; Today at 12:28 PM.

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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-...illion-donors/

    Announced today:

    Bernie Sanders' campaign announced Thursday it has now received contributions from over 1 million individual donors.
    "With 1 million contributors, this is the only Democratic campaign that has more supporters than Donald Trump," said campaign manager Faiz Shakir. "Our strength is in numbers, and that is why Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who is able to say his campaign will rely only on grassroots funding in both the primary and against Donald Trump."
    Sanders reached the milestone seven months after he announced his candidacy in February, faster than any candidate ever.

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    The whole thing above is supposed to be a quote, having trouble editing.

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