Welcome to Bernie/Independent/Third Party Land

[Zacha341]

LOL! Must we forcefully strain over the most obvious at all turns......

The specific role of the president of the United States of America [[even with the checks and balances, lest we break into a session of discursive straining) is the apex on most levels.

Duh.

Corrupting or not - it varies, and how much varies still. Check.

Then there's that old expression: Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely

I don't understand. He's already in office. He's held, what? 15 public offices since 1981? He already has an established reputation with which his constituents seem quite satisfied.

Electoral history of Bernie Sanders

Do you mean that when the office is that of the president, it's somehow different? It is somehow more corrupting?

That might explain a lot of things about the current amateur in office, hmm?

[Canadian Visitor]

LOL! Must we forcefully strain over the most obvious at all turns......

The specific role of the president of the United States of America [[even with the checks and balances, lest we break into session of discursive straining) is the apex on most levels.

Duh.

Corrupting or not - it varies, and how much varies still. Check.

Then there's that old expression: Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely

2 points to Zacha for using 'discursive' in a sentence!

I'm not 100% sure I agree w/the use......discursive straining.......but whatever suspicion I have is overridden by my enjoyment of the word and besides you get 1 bonus point for original use.

[Zacha341]

Jokes in process. Thank yah!

Cynically speaking, DS is my description of round about LONG-WINDED and unnecessarily inquiries etc... I was being funny for effect!

Actual meaning:

dis·cur·sive

adjective

1. digressing from subject to subject.

synonyms: rambling, digressive, meandering, wandering, maundering, diffuse, long, lengthy....

See what I mean?

[Canadian Visitor]

Jokes in process. Thank yah!

Cynically speaking DS is my description of round about LONG WINDED and unnecessarily inquiries etc... I was being funny for effect!

Actual meaning:

dis·cur·sive

adjective

1. digressing from subject to subject.

synonyms: rambling, digressive, meandering, wandering, maundering, diffuse, long, lengthy....

See what I mean?

So you were using Discursive Straining to show how through your loquaciousness you could elucidate your disapprobation for redundant verbosity!

Go you! [[sincerely)

[Zacha341]

^^^ Um, eh. YEAH that one... illucidatin'!

[Jimaz]

LOL! Must we forcefully strain over the most obvious at all turns......

The specific role of the president of the United States of America [[even with the checks and balances, lest we break into session of discursive straining) is the apex on most levels.

Duh.

Corrupting or not - it varies, and how much varies still. Check.

Then there's that old expression: Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely

Your impression of Professor Irwin Corey, The World's Foremost Authority is impeccable.

So sad:ten characters

"Professor" Irwin Corey, Comic Master of Intellectual Doublespeak, Dies at 102

[canuck]

He did not actually lose money and he never actually ran casinos

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-bankruptcies/

How was Ireland? Did you find the leprechaun under the bridge with a wee pot of gold ?

The country is beautiful, I got back on monday. We did a house exchange with a family in a suburb south of Dublin, had the use of their cars, got to see quite a lot. When I lived there in the 80's, there were no highways, now they crisscross the country but when you get back onto small country roads, they are often hardly more than a car in width. Driving on the wrong side was also a challenge.

Ireland is a lot richer and has become more cosmopolitan with many immigrants starting businesses and giving the place more energy. I didn't see much poverty, in fact, a lot of the worst council estates North of the Quays have disappeared and made way to new offices and condos. There is apparent wealth everywhere. Lots of new and expensive cars. The price of real estate is astronomical.

Sorry, I didn't see leprechauns. I also noticed that religion was a lot less in your face than in the 80's, which is a good thing. The magic is in the beauty of the place, not in the dumbing down of things you can't explain.

If Chump didn't run casinos, who was it put his name in gold letters on them, I must have dreamed it, before they went belly up.

[Pam]

https://truthout.org/articles/sander...g-2020-debate/

In the middle of a heated back-and-forth on Medicare for All at the beginning of Tuesday night’s Democratic presidential debate in Detroit, Sen. Bernie Sanders called out

CNN

for airing anti-single payer ads from the pharmaceutical and insurance industries during commercial breaks.

[Zacha341]

Oh my CNN being naughty?

I thought the grand media devil incarnate was Fox-SNEWS. And the pharma advertising would be needed under any health care plan right? Hah.

[Pam]

Jimmy Dore Show-

CNN Caught Blocking Bernie Supporters From Camera

Long clip but they talk about how the supporters were treated outside the debates early on.

https://youtu.be/VDcjOaAR3Sk

[canuck]

Jimmy Dore Show-


Long clip but they talk about how the supporters were treated outside the debates early on.

https://youtu.be/VDcjOaAR3Sk

It's like the nth Chapter of "Spin", so what is new in the kingdom of democracy, Pam?

[Richard]

I am thinking that the closer it gets to the election once again Bernie will drop and team up again with who the DNC picks as thier leading favorite.

[Pam]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/08...rs-and-warren/

It could hardly be more obvious that CNN [[like MSNBC, which held the first two Democratic debates earlier this summer) wants to pave the way for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination of one of the leaders of the Democrats’ “

Wall Street primary”

so far: the

ridiculous right-wing corporatist Joe Biden

, the

mass-incarcerationist fake-progressive Kamala Harris,

and the

neoliberal wonder-boy Pete Butiggieg

[GMan]

I am thinking that the closer it gets to the election once again Bernie will drop and team up again with who the DNC picks as thier leading favorite.

You mean Hillary? Or if someone can raise enough money....Michelle O.

[Richard]

You mean Hillary? Or if someone can raise enough money....Michelle O.

I can see them rolling Michelle out at the eleventh hour based solely on popularity without leaving time for all the pre- election drama.

The common theme seems to be centered around gaining the African American votes that they say were lost in the previous election,concentrating on race.

The qualifying deadline is close,the field will be narrowed real quick.

They are already saying Bernie and Warren are on the same platform and would cancel each other’s votes out.

[Richard]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/08...rs-and-warren/

They are saying Beto O’Rourke in Texas,his father was deep ingrained in Texas politics,not as much as the Bushes.

Texas has turned blue for the first time,maybe because of all of the California transplants trying to mirror what they left.

It is going to be interesting to see where Texas lands in 2020,But that is local elections,the progressives tend to be urban but when the electoral system kicks in the rural red kicks in.

Thats kinda why the whole urban popularity in polling and saying a candidate is well liked really does not work,as they learned in 2016,and why they are trying so hard to eliminate the electorate voting so the few can control the many.

[Pam]

The New York Times

, in a map produced by the paper's reporters, found that Sanders, an Independent from Vermont, dominates most of the country as the primary or secondary recipient of nearly all donations from Americans in all states—though his support is strongest in New England, New York, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, the eastern Great Plains, and the West.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/02/bernie-sanders-dominates-analyses-fundraising-data-show-vermont-senator-widespread?cd-origin=rss&utm_term=AO&utm_campaign=Daily%20Newsle tter&utm_content=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newslett er&utm_medium=Email

[Richard]

Is that the same New York Times as this one?

Ah, there’s the rub. Had the paper actually been fair to both candidates, it wouldn’t need to rededicate itself to honest reporting. And it wouldn’t have been totally blindsided by Trump’s victory.
Instead, because it demonized Trump from start to finish, it failed to realize he was onto something. And because the paper decided that Trump’s supporters were a rabble of racist rednecks and homophobes, it didn’t have a clue about what was happening in the lives of the Americans who elected the new president.

https://nypost.com/2016/11/11/new-yo...w-it-on-trump/

When newspapers start giving fair reporting on all candidates then they may show they have some credibility left.

The NYT has continued its assault on the current president,which shows they will remain biased and the letter put out by Sulzberger and Baquet was as full of bs as thier standard of reporting is.

We blew it on Trump,and we are sorry that we lost so many subscribers in the process,now please give us a chance to prove that we learned nothing and will continue to strive to provide the best propaganda that we can muster in order to retain subscribers.

If portraying Bernie in a bad light sells more papers they will flip on him at the drop of a dime.

Remember 2016 what all the experts and polls said?

Even on the eve of the election they all sat there smug claiming Hillary by a landslide,the so called experts.

Were any of them right? Why should we believe them now?

I put more stock in what people print here then any media outlet,at least nobody is saying,I am an expert believe me.

Have the newspapers as a media source portrayed the current administration in a positive or unbiased manner sense 2016?

Nothing has changed,a majority of the media has been anti Trump for the last 3 years and they have been wrong,what makes anybody think that they are going to read or watch anything but positive output on anybody but Trump.

Kermit the frog could run for President and as long as he is running against the current president the media will be the fluffers,they lost the credibility and at this point by showing thier support towards a candidate really has no meaning.

Go to any lib university,poll 100 people asking them if they support Bernie,100 out of 100 will say yes,one way or another.

Tomorrows news will read 100 out of 100 polled picked Bernie,he’s our man and wins hands down.

Has anybody here ever been polled or even know anybody who has been?

For all we know it could be somebody sitting on the toilet writing out poll results on thier android without actually leaving the bathroom.

Its a two party system,no way in the world the DNC is going to allow a progressive or socialist on the ticket,they will do the same as last time,look like they are appealing to that segment so they can get the votes,when it comes time for the switch they bank on the libs and socialist aspect will still keep their votes within the Democratic Party because then thier options will be either vote Democrat or Republican.

[Honky Tonk]

We blew it on Trump,and we are sorry that we lost so many subscribers in the process,now please give us a chance to prove that we learned nothing and will continue to strive to provide the best propaganda that we can muster in order to retain subscribers.

If portraying Bernie in a bad light sells more papers they will flip on him at the drop of a dime.

And there it is, right there in a nutshell. When I get called in for my performance review, and I'm told "Honky Tonk, you're not getting enough "clicks", you're not selling papers like Richard is", I better scramble in order to keep my job. What the shareholders want to see is results. If I have to bend the truth a bit to provide those results, then I have choices to make. The last piece of real journalism I read was the Ford transmission article in the Freep. And everything I read, I take with a grain of salt.

[Jimaz]

New Map Shows Bernie’s Massive Lead From Coast To Coast

It shows donations that are from only individuals but it's overwhelming.

[Richard]

He may lead with over 700,000 private donors but when there are 200,000,000 registered voters in the US,in context it is not a very good judge as to electability.

How much does it cost to be competitive in a presidential election ?

https://www.investopedia.com/insight...ing-president/

[Richard]

He may lead with over 700,000 private donors but when there are 200,000,000 registered voters in the US,in context it is not a very good judge as to electability.

How much does it cost to be competitive in a presidential election ?

https://www.investopedia.com/insight...ing-president/

But it is misleading to say the cap is $27 so every $27 received is a additional voter,when people are still donating to the max of $5,500 but doing it by donating many times over in small increments.

After Abramowitz hit the legal limit on what he could give the campaign — $5,400 — he channeled his energy into volunteering for Sanders at a phone bank. He averages 1,000 calls a day, he said.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-...anders-donors/

So that is one person donates $27 counted as 200 separate donations.

Its creative book keeping.

[oladub]

New Map Shows Bernie’s Massive Lead From Coast To Coast

It shows donations that are from only individuals but it's overwhelming.

Looking at the second place map, from about 3min into the video, some interesting patterns show up. Like Bernie, Warren has a national base of individual donors. Buttigieg has a mid-west regional base of voters. Biden is surprisingly strong in the SE and Florida. Other candidates have state only bases. Kamala Harris might be the biggest beneficiary of getting rid of the electoral college in a national election.

Open Secrets also shows Bernie to have the most contributions with Warren in second place. Warren has received almost no support from labor. On a percentage basis, Tom Steyer gets the highest percentage of his donations from males and Kirsten Gillebrand has the highest percentage of female contributors.

[Pam]

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/08/msnbc...ntial-campaign

When MSNBC legal analyst Mimi Rocah said that Bernie Sanders “made [her] skin crawl,” though she “can’t even identify for you what exactly it is,” she was just expressing more overtly the anti-Sanders bias that pervades the network.The hostility is so entrenched, in fact, it seems to have

corrupted MSNBC’s mathematical reasoning and created a new system of arithmetic. The cable news network has repeatedly made on-air and online mistakes about Sanders’s polling and other numbers — always to his detriment, and never with any official correction.

[Richard]

The United States is a Democratic leaning republic,If you are a self proclaimed socialist that stands up and says I want to be your leader,you have to figure that you are not going to be excepted with open arms.

It does show how great we are when even a socialist is allowed a platform,a lot of socialist countries political opponents like that,he would have been jailed or disappeared.

In the past local media liked to pick thier favorites to support in local politics,now it seems like on the National stage the media has turned into agenda based reporters,no different then Hollywood or ball players etc.

Anybody with a video camera and microphone can pick a platform and become a political advocate,it’s the weaponization of identify politics.