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    that is how it works Pam,the ones at the top have the money while everybody else starves.

    Highly unlikely that you will ever see a socialist dictator riding around in a Ford pinto.

    Should I make a note to stop reading your future posts when I see a word that I disagree with? Interesting line of thought.
    Last edited by Richard; April-21-18 at 08:36 AM.

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    Just to weigh in on the topic of proportionality of wealth, I've seen no system (including the grand socialist regimes) where the rulers on high exempt themselves from great wealth and access.

    While at the same time extolling how others wealth (below them) need to be redistributed so as to make all the things 'equal'!
    Last edited by Zacha341; April-22-18 at 09:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    that is how it works Pam,the ones at the top have the money while everybody else starves.

    Highly unlikely that you will ever see a socialist dictator riding around in a Ford pinto.

    Should I make a note to stop reading your future posts when I see a word that I disagree with? Interesting line of thought.
    I don't care if you read my posts or not. That's your choice.
    But you really need to learn what socialism is. The Democratic leadership aren't socialists. They don't even claim to be.
    Nancy Pelosi says "We're capitalists":

    https://youtu.be/BBrk2Vz2ASk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pam View Post
    I don't care if you read my posts or not. That's your choice.
    But you really need to learn what socialism is. The Democratic leadership aren't socialists. They don't even claim to be.
    Nancy Pelosi says "We're capitalists":

    https://youtu.be/BBrk2Vz2ASk
    She said "We're capitalist" then she continued with "however"

    Look up the rest outside of YouTube.

    She has been in public service over 40 years,but has a net worth of $196 million dollars standing on a soap box talking about income inequality.

    She is the fourth richest Californian in congress,she is a capitalist when it comes to her money but a socialist when it comes to spending everybody else's money.

    Do you think she would give up 100 million of her own money to help the homeless in her state and suffer the indignity of living on the remaining 96 million.

    She cannot even solve the homeless in her own state where she has been in the position for over 40 years but yet has an answer to solve the homeless problem in America?

    What happened to Bernie? Did you abandon him momentarily in order to defend the ones that threw him under the train when the socialist aspect was raised in a negetive way?

    You have been on the attack the democrats road until the common thread of socialism appears,what is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    She said "We're capitalist" then she continued with "however"

    Look up the rest outside of YouTube.

    She has been in public service over 40 years,but has a net worth of $196 million dollars standing on a soap box talking about income inequality.

    She is the fourth richest Californian in congress,she is a capitalist when it comes to her money but a socialist when it comes to spending everybody else's money.

    Do you think she would give up 100 million of her own money to help the homeless in her state and suffer the indignity of living on the remaining 96 million.

    She cannot even solve the homeless in her own state where she has been in the position for over 40 years but yet has an answer to solve the homeless problem in America?

    What happened to Bernie? Did you abandon him momentarily in order to defend the ones that threw him under the train when the socialist aspect was raised in a negetive way?

    You have been on the attack the democrats road until the common thread of socialism appears,what is it?
    I still support Bernie. Bernie is a democratic socialist and admits it. The big name Democrats are not. They are corrupt corporate tools.
    They take money from Goldman Sachs and the like and do their bidding. Bernie does not. You are right Pelosi doesn't care about helping the homeless only making herself rich. I am not defending people like her. I am just pointing out they are not socialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pam View Post
    I still support Bernie. Bernie is a democratic socialist and admits it. The big name Democrats are not. They are corrupt corporate tools.
    They take money from Goldman Sachs and the like and do their bidding. Bernie does not. You are right Pelosi doesn't care about helping the homeless only making herself rich. I am not defending people like her. I am just pointing out they are not socialists.

    You don't have to explain yourself Pam...because, this discussion will go on and on and.....

  7. #182

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    ^ that is kinda the point of a discussion,learning about opposing views,it is different then twitter where one drops a comment and moves on.

    I do not agree with Mr. Sanders or his views but I believe there needs to be a balance and he plays a part in that balance,the one thing I do not do is show the distain towards his supporters like some show to those that they do not agree with.

    Weather I agree with him or not he has the right to push his agenda just like anybody else,when we talk about democracy and what was done to him that was more of a threat to democracy then he was.

    Anyways here is another opinion about his supporters,although polling seems to be something to be taken with a grain of salt anymore.

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/15/...re-socialists/

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    In other news, Hillary is still a crook:

    https://youtu.be/JbtOvrG5eoc

    The DNC and DCCC have paid Hillary Clinton's super PAC, 'Onward Together,' a combined $1.6 million dollars for "list acquisition," and a “generic committee list rental," respectively. Why, exactly, is money that could be going to state parties being funneled to the super PAC of a two-time presidential loser?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pam View Post
    In other news, Hillary is still a crook:

    https://youtu.be/JbtOvrG5eoc
    Who nose?

    Maybe Chelsea gettin' groomed for the presidency, or her daughter Charlotte.

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    As a victim of Goldman Sachs back during the Recession, I can agree on one thing, the central banks get a Federal pass at every gamble they do.
    Invent a new market, lose billions, and claim "We are too big to lose"
    They still get their million dollar bonuses, everybody else has to work into their 70's and it just replicates itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigb23 View Post
    ... the central banks get a Federal pass at every gamble they do.
    Invent a new market, lose billions, and claim "We are too big to lose"
    They still get their million dollar bonuses....
    There's your welfare queens right there. Yet they get a pass.

    The parasitic saboteurs in power™: Break 'em up. Break 'em down.
    Last edited by Jimaz; April-23-18 at 07:45 AM.

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    Yep, Pelosi is a 'mixed-economy' person - to her favor of course (a sprinkling of socialism here, 1/8 teaspoon of capitalism over there). That's what they do; she's not alone her thinking/ ideology.

    Socialism to a large extent spends the money of capitalism!

    California's reaping what they've sown ala far left policies. And yet she talks of solving America's ills. Even the dems, liberals and hard left are starting to see thru her 'rich-on-high' rhetoric and are booing her speeches. To her chagrin...

    For one they think she's old and not quite progressive enough. Bye Pelosi, retire now, before the heckling really gets LOUD.

    She should know how disruptive it can get since she champions such!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    ...She is the fourth richest Californian in congress, she is a capitalist when it comes to her money but a socialist when it comes to spending everybody else's money.

    Do you think she would give up 100 million of her own money to help the homeless in her state and suffer the indignity of living on the remaining 96 million.

    She cannot even solve the homeless in her own state where she has been in the position for over 40 years but yet has an answer to solve the homeless problem in America?
    Last edited by Zacha341; April-23-18 at 07:09 PM.

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    Then there is Maxine Waters living in a 4.5 million dollar mansion calling out impeachment for Russian connections while being an honorary member of the Workers world party.

    Which is ...

    The Workers World Party is reportedly a militant left-wing group that sympathizes with many enemies of the U.S., including North Korea, Iran, and Cuba. It also supports Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and is a fan of Russia’s President Vladimir Putin.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/04/26/maxine-waters-touts-trump-connections-to-russia-but-has-some-of-her-own

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    ^^^ 4.5 ML? Shucks I thought only the far right lived lavishly.

    Say it ain't so......
    Last edited by Zacha341; April-23-18 at 10:15 PM.

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    https://theintercept.com/2018/04/26/...evi-tillemann/

    The secretly taped audio recording, released here for the first time, reveals how senior Democratic officials have worked to crush competitive primaries and steer political resources, money, and other support to hand-picked candidates in key races across the country, long before the party publicly announces a preference.

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    https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2018/04...ing-primaries/

    So to recap, the leadership of the Democratic party is no longer attempting to hide the fact that it deliberately stacks its own primaries against progressive candidates, and yet still has the gall to act like they’re the smart adults in the room who know how to win general elections. These are the same people who think telling the public “screw primaries, you’ll vote how we say” is sheer strategic brilliance. The same people who lost over a thousand seats under Obama.

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    Jimmy Dore-
    Harvard Gives Hillary Medal For Absolutely Nothing

    https://youtu.be/tiUC5nAlMic

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    ^^^ It wont be the first time (award/ medal for doing nothing). But at least everyone can 'feel' good and know that equality abounds......

    At least among the elite, newly appointed. Or long on the tooth!

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    Intolerance seems to be gaining traction in Dem Land with unhinged Democrats (not all Democrats are unhinged) feeling the need to be personally rude. There have been a couple of incidents involving Trump officials who get an earful in restaurants. Yesterday, a teacher from the Sidwell Friends School, annual tuition $40,800, where the Obama daughters were sent, scolded EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt while he was eating in a restaurant. White House press Secretary Sarah Huckabee was similarly entertained by demonstrators. Dem Senator Hassan's intern received only a slap on the wrist for yelling "F... Y.." at President Trump. Rudeness is becoming more and more the norm.

    Meanwhile, Antifa has become the unofficial brown shirt Democratic thug unit holding up traffic and even tolerated by authorities in deep blue spaces like Portland, OR. Verbal rudeness can be tolerated to a point but when rudeness is allowed to spill over into violence by the right or left, we are in something approaching fascist territory.

    Republican Senator Rand Paul has been in the news three times lately as the recipient of over the edge Democrats excesses-
    -Yesterday, a Democratic activist from Berkely, CA was arrested for threatening to go after Rand Paul's family with an axe to spill out the guts of his children.
    -Rand Paul's neighbor attacked Rand Paul and broke his ribs. He only received a 30 day sentence for doing so.
    -Rand Paul was on the practice squad of a baseball team that was attacked by a gunman who shot a Republican Congressman and two others.

    I wonder how this more normalized fascist like Dem behavior will effect voter behavior. (Again, repeat, "many Democrats are not unhinged".)
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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    Intolerance seems to be gaining traction in Dem Land with unhinged Democrats (not all Democrats are unhinged) feeling the need to be personally rude. There have been a couple of incidents involving Trump officials who get an earful in restaurants. Yesterday, a teacher from the Sidwell Friends School, annual tuition $40,800, where the Obama daughters were sent, scolded EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt while he was eating in a restaurant. White House press Secretary Sarah Huckabee was similarly entertained by demonstrators. Dem Senator Hassan's intern received only a slap on the wrist for yelling "F... Y.." at President Trump. Rudeness is becoming more and more the norm.

    Meanwhile, Antifa has become the unofficial brown shirt Democratic thug unit holding up traffic and even tolerated by authorities in deep blue spaces like Portland, OR. Verbal rudeness can be tolerated to a point but when rudeness is allowed to spill over into violence by the right or left, we are in something approaching fascist territory.

    Republican Senator Rand Paul has been in the news three times lately as the recipient of over the edge Democrats excesses-
    -Yesterday, a Democratic activist from Berkely, CA was arrested for threatening to go after Rand Paul's family with an axe to spill out the guts of his children.
    -Rand Paul's neighbor attacked Rand Paul and broke his ribs. He only received a 30 day sentence for doing so.
    -Rand Paul was on the practice squad of a baseball team that was attacked by a gunman who shot a Republican Congressman and two others.

    I wonder how this more normalized fascist like Dem behavior will effect voter behavior. (Again, repeat, "many Democrats are not unhinged".)
    Are your feelings hurt? Sorry.

    Where is your empathy for the countless humanitarian lifelines that the Republicans continue to cut? Plenty of money for tax cuts to the top 1%, but wait - Medicare and Medicaid need to be hemmed because we can't afford their bloated budgets. Huge federal tax cuts to corporations who used the cash influx to buy back stock and NOT invest in their labor forces. Now that that's out of the way - we have to put planned parenthood on the chopping block - it's too expensive.

    How about the senseless and unwarranted dismantling of financial protections and regulations that led to hundreds of thousands of people losing their life savings? The Right is at it again trying to toss us all down the same well. Who needs financial protections against too-big-to-fail corporate titans when the taxpayers can just bail them out? Did we not learn out lesson when this happened LESS THAN TEN YEARS AGO?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ecb9ef5bae3a

    I can come up with countless other ways the 'Pubs continue their venomous war on the middle and lower class, but let's focus on the fact that Sara Huckabee can't enjoy her ice cream in peace, or that Ajit Pai - the face of selling out the American people - can't walk to his car without being heckled. I bet they wish they could just sit 50 miles up in a tower and pass this legislation without having to confront their constituents... ever.

    What your alluding to/ranting about is everyday American taxpayers finding their voice. The conservative supreme court said that corporations are people too (while shockingly not holding them to the same criminal accountability as your everyday taxpayer). And those corporations are finding that they have a pretty big voice when it comes the direction of our country. Well - this is the middle class (and under) finding their voice. If the Supreme Court and the GOP want to silence it over and over - you'll just be seeing more and more of these interactions (less the horrific shooting you so purposefully assigned to the left).

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    Lmao,it took you this long to find your voice? Where was it at before,hidden in the sock drawer?

    No voice when the previous administration was giving billions to musk while people were getting kicked out of thier house,but that was overlooked because of hope and change which brought on desperation and little change.

    People whine about big corporations but yet provide fluff service when they are bringing jobs and investment to their city.

    Not happy about corporate America?start your own and show them how it should be.Be the example.

    The current president has been in office for two years but it is his fault that the country has been screwed up for the last 30,if you are just finding your voice now,you are part of the problem and not a part of the solution and are looking for somebody else to place blame on instead of excepting personal responsibility.

    Everyday taxpayers are still going about thier business of daily life,when it comes to election time they vote in office those who they believe will create change,that is thier voice,they do not need to find it and they never lost it.

    Those who need to find thier voice have bigger personal issues then thier voice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKshreve View Post
    Are your feelings hurt? Sorry.

    Where is your empathy for the countless humanitarian lifelines that the Republicans continue to cut? Plenty of money for tax cuts to the top 1%, but wait - Medicare and Medicaid need to be hemmed because we can't afford their bloated budgets. Huge federal tax cuts to corporations who used the cash influx to buy back stock and NOT invest in their labor forces. Now that that's out of the way - we have to put planned parenthood on the chopping block - it's too expensive.

    How about the senseless and unwarranted dismantling of financial protections and regulations that led to hundreds of thousands of people losing their life savings? The Right is at it again trying to toss us all down the same well. Who needs financial protections against too-big-to-fail corporate titans when the taxpayers can just bail them out? Did we not learn out lesson when this happened LESS THAN TEN YEARS AGO?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ecb9ef5bae3a

    I can come up with countless other ways the 'Pubs continue their venomous war on the middle and lower class, but let's focus on the fact that Sara Huckabee can't enjoy her ice cream in peace, or that Ajit Pai - the face of selling out the American people - can't walk to his car without being heckled. I bet they wish they could just sit 50 miles up in a tower and pass this legislation without having to confront their constituents... ever.

    What your alluding to/ranting about is everyday American taxpayers finding their voice. The conservative supreme court said that corporations are people too (while shockingly not holding them to the same criminal accountability as your everyday taxpayer). And those corporations are finding that they have a pretty big voice when it comes the direction of our country. Well - this is the middle class (and under) finding their voice. If the Supreme Court and the GOP want to silence it over and over - you'll just be seeing more and more of these interactions (less the horrific shooting you so purposefully assigned to the left).
    My post was about the recent behavior of Democrats including violence. Everyday taxpayers have found their voice in Donald Trump who lowered their taxes and in doing so reduced unemployment to 3.8% For the third time I'll ask, your cliches aside, "When was the last time a Democratic President presided over 3.8% unemployment?"

    "If the Supreme Court and the GOP want to silence it over and over - you'll just be seeing more and more of these interactions."
    -TkSshreve

    Why, because Democrats don't believe in elections or like little children can't wait until November or are otherwise revealing their hand? Creepy. It sounds to me like you are an apologist for recent Democratic violence. I'm not.

    By the way, under Obama, the 1% increased their share of national wealth at a faster rate than they did under Bush. By the way, speaking of "too-big-to-fail corporate titans", under Obama, the 1% increased their share of national wealth at a faster rate than they did under Bush. Didn't Senators Obama and Clinton both vote to bail out those too-big-to-fail banks?
    Last edited by oladub; July-03-18 at 01:57 PM.

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    You can ask me that question for a first time if you want to, but if you want to act like you've been waiting for me to answer your loaded question, you may be sitting there for a bit. I believe it was addressed before, and quite succinctly in my opinion.

    The current unemployment rate is by far a terrible indicator of how Trump has been performing as a president. In fact, any trend in jobs should be attributed to the cyclical pattern of our economy. One that Obama rescued from those corporate vultures whom "guess who" allowed to prey upon the middle class.

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    I just pointed out that Senator Obama voted to bail out those "corporate vulture" banks and was better for the 1% than even Bush. If you want to claim that "The current unemployment rate is by far a terrible indicator of how Trump has been performing as a president.", good luck with that. When his tax cut passed, all the naysayers were telling us that the the end was nigh.

    If
    "any trend in jobs should be attributed to the cyclical pattern of our economy", then why did Obama assign the average family of four an extra $120,000 in federal debt?" I'm sort of with you on this one.

    I forget which Democratic president you cited in a previous post as being the last Democratic president under whom national unemployment fell to 3.8%.

    Post #194 you are still responding to had to do with my observation that Democrats are getting ruder and even more violent. We are straying from that point.


    Last edited by oladub; July-04-18 at 07:25 AM.

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    They are showing patterns of Democrats being forced out for financial reasons from blue states to the cheaper red states,I guess the question is while forming purple states are the Dem going to turn the red states into a mirror of what they left or by mingling with republicans are they going to end up leaning that way.

    Are states like Arizona and Texas in a better spot now with a large influx of blue moving in then they were 10/20 years ago?
    Last edited by Richard; July-09-18 at 02:23 PM.

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