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[Zacha341]

Now that's we've had the Affordable Healthcare set for a while, have the younger gens been signing on as purported/ expected?

I'm not being snarky -- as I believe and support the need of healthcare safety nets. But I think beyond politics it's the compliance factor of subscribers that may have been the problem of funding such.

In any case, how do you make people relinquish [[arguably better) private insurance options who have them, for government health care options? By force? Manufactured consent?

Also [[a bit of sarcasms here - smile) who are the old do-nothing dems by age? Baby boomers only? The far end boomers or the 51-55 yo?

When's the cut off? Under 45, or under 30, when wisdom really blooms?

The majority of Americans support things like universal health care. These aren't radical ideas. Younger voters especially support Bernie. I just don't see any of the same old do nothing corporate Dems catching on.

[Pam]

Now that's we've had the Affordable Healthcare set for a while, have the younger gens been signing on as purported/ expected?

I'm not being snarky -- as I believe and support the need of healthcare safety nets. But I think beyond politics it's the compliance factor of subscribers that may have been the problem of funding such.

In any case, how do you make people relinquish [[arguably better) private insurance options who have them, for government health care options? By force? Manufactured consent?

Also [[a bit of sarcasms here - smile) who are the old do-nothing dems by age? Baby boomers only? The far end boomers or the 51-55 yo?

When's the cut off? Under 45, or under 30, when wisdom really blooms?

I meant "same old" as in in old policies and old ideas, not their age.

I suppose private insurance could be left for anybody that wants it, but have medicare for all for everybody else. Personally, I think insurance companies are a rip off that provide no value. They suck up money but deny care. Why do we need to continue to prop that up?

I can't find a link at the moment but I think Bernie's plan would have a transitional period of people joining Medicare. It would not wipe out the private insurers overnight.

[Zacha341]

^^^ I here you, I have private insurance [[employee sponsored) and find it useful. I've been on government insurance also [[when laid off back in the early 90s). Private insurance for example, usually pays 100% of the bill fees to hospitals compared to government insurance [[such as Medicaid) pays a lower amount, and slower. Both are needed IMO and private insurances help offset hospital costs for the those who cannot pay [[and the percentage-based plans like Medicare/ Medicaid).

My question remains how does an already near bankrupt Medicare system accommodate more? How will a new government run system do that and purportedly offer more than the private insurances offer! How?

For the sake of equality will those with private insurance [[not the elite of course) be forced to shift that insurance to government grade?

[oladub]

I meant "same old" as in in old policies and old ideas, not their age.

I suppose private insurance could be left for anybody that wants it, but have medicare for all for everybody else. Personally, I think insurance companies are a rip off that provide no value. They suck up money but deny care. Why do we need to continue to prop that up?

I can't find a link at the moment but I think Bernie's plan would have a transitional period of people joining Medicare. It would not wipe out the private insurers overnight.

An Urban Institute analysis of an earlier version of the Sanders bill found that it would cost $32 trillion over ten years. By comparison, projected total federal spending over the next ten years under current law was $54 trillion. The institute also found that Sanders’s proposed financing was woefully inadequate, covering less than half the cost of the program.

14 states have Democratic legislatures and governors. Any of them could institute an affordable single payer plan like those of any Canadian province without lawyers, so many bureaucrats, and insurance company profiteers that would reduce the societal cost of health care by 40%. None have. Instead, Democrats keep promoting second rate solutions, not even including the [[un)ACA, keeping lawyers, bureaucrats, insurance company profiteers and and even illegal aliens' interests included to syphon affordability from proposed national health care programs.


I would like to see one or more Democratic states actually do something. If such programs actually work, many other states would quickly copy such programs. It's time for Democrats to decide between action and promises.

-Pete Smissen

[Richard]

Andrew Yang has thrown his hat in to the race based on basic income for all,his solution to pay for it all?

Create another taxable currency.

. My plan would be to create a new currency and put the new currency against it. This new currency can be traded in for dollars, but if you [do that] you’d tax it, which no one would do, so you’d hoard them like Amex points. You can trade [these new digital currency points] and have this parallel economy based around things that we know are good.”

https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/18/an...om-the-robots/

Back in the day when LSD was prevalent you could refer to someone as “ tripping” I wonder what it would be called these days?

[coracle]

It’ll be a great pity if the democrats succeed in getting rid of Biden before a vote is cast by linking him to #MeToo. He was “obama’s choice” twice.

You would think that every democrat that voted for “The One” would be straining at the leash to vote for his “Number Two”.

[Zacha341]

Biden's too self-loathing for me [['white-men' this, 'white-men-are-bad' that). I never trust this type, and be somewhat embarrassed were I the most liberal white voter trying to advance him.

I mean there's the staid appeasement strategy [[got that) but he's gone a bit too EXTRA in ploying it! Enough already.

And now that the 'MeToo' noose is nearing.... eh, forget about it.

He has to determine if it's better to go out [[his legacy) as president Obama's vice or opening the huge trap door. I don't see it getting much better. Just more skeletons pulled from the closet.

Also, IMO his candidacy would be another guarantee of a Trump second term presidency.

[coracle]

The reason democrats don't want a wall on the southern border is not because they don't think it will work. IT'S BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT WILL. [[AS WELL AS TO DENY TRUMP A "WIN" AND PENALIZE AMERICANS THEY HATE).

[Richard]

Considering they are pushing for allowing illegals voting rights a wall to impede thier entry would put somewhat of a crimp on that.

[Bong-Man]

Bernie will be having a free outdoor rally at Macomb Comm. College's South Campus in Warren this Saturday, April 13th.

[oladub]

Presumably, Bernie Sanders still doesn't want a wall. In response to the charge that he advocated open borders, Bernie Sanders said social programs could not be funded if America was overwhelmed with immigrants.

Sen. Bernie Sanders campaigns in Oskaloosa, IA: "If you open the borders, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world. And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it." 4/7/19

"If...?" The borders are pretty open. Bernie's voting record has not remedied porous borders. Bernie needs to explain what policies or limits he thinks would be helpful to protect those social programs from nearly unfettered illegal immigration and why he has done nothing to remedy the problem.

[Richard]

Poor Bernie,had to admit he made over 1 million last year,imagine that somebody that has spent the last 30 + years telling everybody the millionaires are the cause of society’s ills,is now a millionaire.

He was quick to add it was because of book deals,but he did not say of any plans to distribute it equally amongst the less fortunate,which I am sure if one practices what they preach,he is doing just that right now.

Your check is in the mail everybody.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/10/pol...ire/index.html

[coracle]

With Bernie’s “free everything” for everybody, Joe’s smelling/kissing and the arm-flailing guy’s “open borders” for every illegal alien, Buttigieg will need all the male voters he can muster in “Dem Land” to stand any chance of being erected as the democrat candidate.

[coracle]

sanders wants to give criminals the vote; murderers, rapists, pedophiles, terrorists et al. Next he’ll be after “recently” dead people and illegal immigrants. Anybody that will vote democrat with the democrats.

Mind you it is a bit unfair to blame only sanders. Every democrat would accept every crooked vote they could manipulate as long as it was “democrat”. Maybe they should go for the votes of Russians that they know hillary colluded with.

[Honky Tonk]

sanders wants to give criminals the vote; murderers, rapists, pedophiles, terrorists et al. Next he’ll be after “recently” dead people and illegal immigrants. Anybody that will vote democrat with the democrats.

Mind you it is a bit unfair to blame only sanders. Every democrat would accept every crooked vote they could manipulate as long as it was “democrat”. Maybe they should go for the votes of Russians that they know hillary colluded with.

"Vote for me and I'll set you free..."

[oladub]

Some Democrats support voting rights for convicted incarcerated criminals, illegal aliens, and 16 year olds. Its all good. Bernie even says that the Boston Marathon bomber should be allowed to vote.

[coracle]

Question for sanders and all the like-minded idiot “socialists”.

If Socialism is so great and Capitalism is so bad why aren’t all the Central American caravans heading for Venezuela?

[coracle]

Socialism can be likened to a game of Monopoly where every time the “Leaders” pass GO they have to give a piece of their property to the other players and pay a tax of 35% to be shared amongst everybody else.

After a while, less and less people want to pass GO, and prefer to hang around and wait for others to pass GO.

[Zacha341]

Many of the younger generation he pulls simply don't know much history.

For some it's America's unique mixing of economies and politics that engenders the belief that socialism can wrankle out a better outcome this time [[somehow). And it will somewhat. For those at the top, especially those in charge within the high areas of service distribution and policy.

US, guilty and so eee-vill [[we do have our baggage), afterall is ripe for the picking and attempt - problems left behind are well, behind. Onward.

Also, unlike the days of Emma Lazarus [[statue of liberty). We now have a welfare state, from which to pull resources and funding. It may not be that much deeper for some. Problem [[to say the least): we already have OUR OWN poor. Where are the charities rushing to help our homeless and destitute?

Detroit, for example has an infant mortality rate off the charts. Unemployment remains very high. Do we need to be a sanctuary city for anyone? I say absolutely no. That's not 'Trumpy', to see this -- it's truthy, IMO!

Otherwise, where are OUR PRIORITIES???

Question for sanders and all the like-minded idiot “socialists”.

If Socialism is so great and Capitalism is so bad why aren’t all the Central American caravans heading for Venezuela?

[Zacha341]

LOL! As I said elsewhere some of those convicted folk, having much time to think and study, having sobered up may not necessarily vote reflexively dem. That poses a problem.

sanders wants to give criminals the vote; murderers, rapists, pedophiles, terrorists et al. Next he’ll be after “recently” dead people and illegal immigrants. Anybody that will vote democrat with the democrats.

[Honky Tonk]

"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things".

[coracle]

You look at the democrat field of wannabe Presidents and think it can’t get any dumber; and then Biden throws his hat in! He says the world leaders asked him to do it; and he’s asked obama not to endorse him. He ought to write scripts for comedy shows. An obama endorsement is the KOD.

Hollywood could make a movie out of it - a farce; if they were any good at farces!- now if it was feces that would be a whole different ball game.

They’re all such idiots - but then they know what their democrat electorate don’t see, they’ll collude and fabricate.

[Zacha341]

^^^ He also showed emotion when speaking about his son. Tough for any parent to loose a child. I'd only be a bit surprised if the same folks that go on endlessly that all should be affirmed equally will be judging his show of emotion.

[coracle]

Dem Land, where foreign interference in our Electoral System is very strictly forbidden when they lose, to the extent that if it didn’t happen they’ll make it up; but all illegal alien votes will be accepted without question.

[coracle]

In the last four years democrats have lost an election they rigged and lost an investigation they rigged. They have failed miserably to achieve ANYTHING for the American people. Their policy is HATE.