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**Pam** · January-05-19, 02:39 PM

I'm disappointed in Congresswoman Tlaib. I'm not offended by swear words, I just think impeachment would be a waste of time. Work on healthcare or raising wages or any number of other issues that would benefit the voters instead. [[Still not sure that the Pres. did anything impeachable yet either.)

**Richard** · January-05-19, 02:45 PM

They like wasting time on things,one of the first things they did was present a bill to change to constitution in order to eliminate the electoral college vote process.

"In two presidential elections since 2000, including the most recent one in which Hillary Clinton won 2.8 million more votes than her opponent, the winner of the popular vote did not win the election because of the distorting effect of the outdated Electoral College," Cohen said in his statement announcing the constitutional amendment. "Americans expect and deserve the winner of the popular vote to win office."
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...residents-from

No way in the world is anybody going to allow the country to be run by a few large democrat controlled cities.

**Zacha341** · January-05-19, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

I'm disappointed in Congresswoman Tlaib. I'm not offended by swear words, I just think impeachment would be a waste of time. Work on healthcare or raising wages or any number of other issues that would benefit the voters instead. [[Still not sure that the Pres. did anything impeachable yet either.)

Agreed. What a wasteful statement less than a week in? She doesn't seem to understand the art of negotiation when dealing with an opponent -- even one brash as Trump.

Instead she went to SNLive level. Doubling-down when questioned! What can Tlaib say or do further to champion her constituents, or even achieve any actual impeachment?!

**Richard** · January-05-19, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

I'm disappointed in Congresswoman Tlaib. I'm not offended by swear words, I just think impeachment would be a waste of time. Work on healthcare or raising wages or any number of other issues that would benefit the voters instead. [[Still not sure that the Pres. did anything impeachable yet either.)

I think the biggest problem is that the Democratic Party has split into so many different factions,the conservative Democrats still seem to be reasonable but the others are the most vocal.

The one from New York calls herself a democrat socialist,she knows she will go nowhere under the strict socialist aspect,so she throws the democrat thing in there to soften the view.

Granted she does provide an interesting form of entertainment.

**Zacha341** · January-05-19, 03:04 PM

^^^ Hah. Yeah, entertainment indeed! Cortez actually believes that stuff fresh out of college indoctrination [[the joys of cultural marxism).

Pelosi may 'talk' that pess-u-do re-distributionist socialist stuff but remains part of the er-eh, establishment -- one of the richest women in the US.

She knows how she got there and was more than willing to throw Cortez overboard for sake of the broader dem party. Most of which are not really interested in glorified socialism.

Course, increasingly you see the far left yelling Pelosi off the stage when she speaks at events.

Indeed it's hard to heard the cats, for both sides.

**Richard** · January-05-19, 04:13 PM

^ she is not very hungry with a net worth of 120 million and it would be hard for her to go after big business,sense she owns their stock.

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/ri...osi-net-worth/

**Pam** · January-07-19, 07:07 AM

The Dems are doing it again. Trying to pre-annoint a candidate. Have you noticed the media keeps pushing Biden? The guy who actually has a following [[Sanders) either gets omitted or smeared.

Jimmy Dore show :"Bulls**t Poll: “Progressives” Prefer Biden Over Bernie"

https://youtu.be/X0PgVSM5FH4

**jcole** · January-07-19, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by Pam

The Dems are doing it again. Trying to pre-annoint a candidate. Have you noticed the media keeps pushing Biden? The guy who actually has a following [[Sanders) either gets omitted or smeared.

Jimmy Dore show :"Bulls**t Poll: “Progressives” Prefer Biden Over Bernie"

https://youtu.be/X0PgVSM5FH4

I thought Sanders went back to being an independent; he'd be running opposite Biden, right?

Bernie Sanders is serving his second term in the U.S. Senate after winning re-election in 2012 with 71 percent of the vote. His previous 16 years in the House of Representatives make him the longest serving independent member of Congress in American history.

The famously independent senator, who briefly joined the Democratic Party to run in the 2016 New Hampshire presidential primary only to un-enroll later, officially announced Monday that he would seek a third term in the Senate this fall. He also said that he’ll pull the same maneuver that he did in his 2006 and 2012 Senate races: Running as a Democrat, declining the nomination when he wins and then running as an independent.

The move makes it virtually impossible for another Democrat to seek the party’s nod. And it allows Sanders to loom large in the party primary in August, but still preserve his independence.

**Pam** · January-07-19, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by jcole

I thought Sanders went back to being an independent; he'd be running opposite Biden, right?

Yes, he did for the Senate race. I don't know what he will do in a Presidential race. He ran as a Dem. last time because third party candidates are traditionally excluded from debates and given little exposure. I'd like to see him run indie for Pres. since as we saw in 2016 the Dems. can't be trusted to run a fair primary.

**jcole** · January-07-19, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Pam

Yes, he did for the Senate race. I don't know what he will do in a Presidential race. He ran as a Dem. last time because third party candidates are traditionally excluded from debates and given little exposure. I'd like to see him run indie for Pres. since as we saw in 2016 the Dems. can't be trusted to run a fair primary.

So if he's not a Democrat, why would the Democratic party push him over Biden or any other Democrat?

**Maof** · January-07-19, 08:29 AM

I like Bernie but he should stay right where he's at. Better for us. He was a thorn in Hillary's side during the campaign and look who we ended up with.

**Pam** · January-07-19, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by jcole

So if he's not a Democrat, why would the Democratic party push him over Biden or any other Democrat?

They won't, but they should if they really want to beat Trump. I think Bernie is more popular than Biden.

**Pam** · January-07-19, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Maof

I like Bernie but he should stay right where he's at. Better for us. He was a thorn in Hillary's side during the campaign and look who we ended up with.

Anyone has the right to run for President. The idea that everyone should have stepped aside because it was Hillary's "turn" is ridiculous. After she was declared the winner [[in a primary with many irregularities) Bernie did campaign for her.

**Pam** · January-07-19, 10:13 AM

Joe Biden shows his losing ways by crapping on Millennials.

Jimmy Dore show: "Biden: “I Have No Empathy” For Millennials"

https://youtu.be/VdmeV0GJ-oE

**jcole** · January-07-19, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Pam

They won't, but they should if they really want to beat Trump. I think Bernie is more popular than Biden.

But by his own words, he's not a Democrat; why should the DNC push his bid?

**jcole** · January-07-19, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Pam

Anyone has the right to run for President. The idea that everyone should have stepped aside because it was Hillary's "turn" is ridiculous. After she was declared the winner [[in a primary with many irregularities) Bernie did campaign for her.

Yes, everyone has the right to run, but why would the DNC or RNC for that matter have to allow someone who is not a member of their party run using their resources if every time that person loses, they return to their independent status? And he hasn't even announced that he intends to run as a Democrat again.
And when he did endorse Hillary after he lost the primary, his "people" still voted for him, thereby causing the Democrats to lose the election

**Honky Tonk** · January-07-19, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Maof

I like Bernie but he should stay right where he's at. Better for us. He was a thorn in Hillary's side during the campaign and look who we ended up with.

Hillary was the thorn in Hillary's side. She accepted stolen answers and read them off like she knew them. She offered a 60 Billion dollar bribe to Virginia to vote for her. The list goes on and on. If she wasn't such a dufus, she'd be president today. She thinks people are stupid and she can play them. Surprise. Quit blaming everyone for her loss but her. P/S, I didn't vote for Trump, I voted for Bernie. Neither of the main stream candidates was worth a poop.

**Richard** · January-07-19, 12:53 PM

The DNC made so many blantant mistakes and miscalculations it is almost like it was planned for Trump to win from the start.

**Pam** · January-07-19, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by jcole

But by his own words, he's not a Democrat; why should the DNC push his bid?

If the goal is to beat Trump, Bernie is more popular than Biden. If the goal is real change and helping people, again Bernie is better. Instead they would rather push someone that won't offend the corporate donors. Shows what their real priorities are. There are other people that are officially in the party that I like, such as Tulsi Gabbard but the mainstream media isn't promoting her either.

**Pam** · January-07-19, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by jcole

Yes, everyone has the right to run, but why would the DNC or RNC for that matter have to allow someone who is not a member of their party run using their resources if every time that person loses, they return to their independent status? And he hasn't even announced that he intends to run as a Democrat again.
And when he did endorse Hillary after he lost the primary, his "people" still voted for him, thereby causing the Democrats to lose the election

Actually I think it was something like 80 percent of the Bernie people did vote for Hilary in the general.

**jcole** · January-07-19, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

Actually I think it was something like 80 percent of the Bernie people did vote for Hilary in the general.

Most of the Bernie people I see on FB or Twitter say they didn't vote for her, but then again a lot of people who voted for 45 say they didn't either, so...

**Pam** · January-07-19, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by jcole

Most of the Bernie people I see on FB or Twitter say they didn't vote for her, but then again a lot of people who voted for 45 say they didn't either, so...

I didn't vote for her, mainly because I thought she was involved in election fraud.

Here are some polls I saw posted elsewhere:

https://twitter.com/ChangePolls/stat...oll-results%2F

**jcole** · January-08-19, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Hillary was the thorn in Hillary's side. She accepted stolen answers and read them off like she knew them. She offered a 60 Billion dollar bribe to Virginia to vote for her. The list goes on and on. If she wasn't such a dufus, she'd be president today. She thinks people are stupid and she can play them. Surprise. Quit blaming everyone for her loss but her. P/S, I didn't vote for Trump, I voted for Bernie. Neither of the main stream candidates was worth a poop.

Hillary aside, a vote for Bernie or Jill Stein or no vote at all was, in essence, a vote for Trump.

**Pam** · January-08-19, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by jcole

Hillary aside, a vote for Bernie or Jill Stein or no vote at all was, in essence, a vote for Trump.

No, a vote for Stein was a vote for Stein. I wanted the Green party to get five percent of the vote so they could qualify for election funding and gain more ballot access.