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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    I absolutely see the disparities caused by corporations and the wealthy people owning them being able to profitably field out labor to cheaper foreign labor at home and abroad.Why negotiate with UAW workers when one can have S. Koreans do the same work at one third the price (Obama trade agreement)? Why hire unionized American meat packers or roofers when Somalis and Central Americans can replace them without benefits? Yes, the standard of living of the average American has been in decline since 1978. In fact, during the Obama administration, the 3%'s share of national wealth increased at a faster rate than it did under Bush. Chamber of Commerce Republicans are guilty as Democrats.

    I think Trump has a lot of character flaws but their net effect does not cause as much damage as Bush and Obama did or Hillary might have. Freaking Hillary was talking about shooting Russian planes out of the sky. over Syria. You apparently missed my point that the probably unintentional damage caused by Obama's meddling with student loans cost students hundreds of time more than Trump's university. We look at things differently. I am more concerned with who hurt students worse. Your concern seems to be whether Trumps's character meets your standards.

    Under Bush and Obama we waged some unconstitutional undeclared wars that left hundreds of thousands of dead Arabs and millions of refugees. Trump has only been in three years but he hasn't overthrown or tried to overthrow any new Libyas, Syrias, or Iraqs. To me, that makes Trump's character better than Bush or Obama's. We must ave spent or spend more than $25m/day in each of those places yet you remain stuck on the $25m on time Trump university fiasco.

    Elizabeth Warren character is hardly all about hard work. She played the identity policy game for years to promote her Waspy self in university circles. Her estimated net worth from teaching and being a government servant is between $8.75m (CNN) and $12M (Forbes) - not enough to qualify herself for her proposed wealth tax.
    I understood what you were trying to equate, but please explain how an Obama policy caused exploding student debt and what is nationalizing student debt?

    You seem to forget, we're still fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. Trump visited troops the other day. He is continuing the wars. But the one place, where Russia can play advantage and the westernized Kurds can get slaughtered - Syria, yeah he left there without winning anything from Turkey/Erdogen.

    Trump's scam University is about him being a fraudulent person, someone who can not be trusted to do anything but feed their own ego and pockets. That is what you see from him. He is a habitual liar. His lies have been documented and are beyond the normal level of deceit from Presidents.
    You don't put that type of person in the Oval Office or you get results like being Russia's lapdog. I mean Trump is breaking up NATO and the Western alliance himself - this is Vladimir Putin's prime objective and he's doing it for him. That is a serious result.
    Or giving multi-millionaires another tax cut when they don't need it, that is a serious result. So what do you do, if companies can outsource good jobs? I know what you don't do. You don't give the millionaire executives in those companies more tax cuts that they don't need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLemur View Post
    I disagree. The moderates who follow the news will not vote for the Don and the self-centered chaos he creates. They will choose someone with morals, standards, and competency.

    Interesting enough probably 90% of the people that I meet do not follow politics or the constant whining,they are to busy running thier buisnesses,working,spending time with thier families etc.

    At the end of the day morals,standards and competency do not pay the bills.

    You are seriously thinking because Trump puts America first,the economy is rolling,the markets are still showing strong confidence,people of all races are opening buisnessness and employing people.

    Thats stuff that pays the bills and puts food on the table,the rest is just all blabber.

    I posted the current administrations accomplishments,nobody has countered with,here are the democrats accomplishments.

    As par to the course it is always but Trump sucks bla bla bla because nobody wants to admit outside of chasing Russians in the bushes the only thing the Democrats have done is say,look we are going after the bad guy.

    The only thing the Dems has to bring home to thier supporters over thanksgiving was turkey and the continued false hope of impeachment.

    Wake me up when you guys can put forward a candidate that is the opposite of Trump,as of yet you are unable to and that’s why in 2020 he will still be your president.
    Last edited by Richard; December-03-19 at 03:51 PM.

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    Kamala Harris says goodbye

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kam...sidential-race

    California Sen. Kamala Harris on Tuesday announced that she is withdrawing from the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, after failing to capitalize on early enthusiasm for her campaign and watching her poll numbers collapse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLemur View Post
    I understood what you were trying to equate, but please explain how an Obama policy caused exploding student debt and what is nationalizing student debt?
    -Nationalizing businesses almost defines socialism. The Constitution does not "delegate" nationalizing most student debt although there in no reasons states can't do it. Obama must not have realized that behavior that is subsidized encourages more such behavior. Democrats, in general, do not acknowledge supply/demand. In short. Obama's changes to student loans not only drove up the demand for loans, it discouraged repayment and drove up tuition costs.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeLemur View Post
    You seem to forget, we're still fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. Trump visited troops the other day. He is continuing the wars. But the one place, where Russia can play advantage and the westernized Kurds can get slaughtered - Syria, yeah he left there without winning anything from Turkey/Erdogen.
    -When Trump tried to set a timetable for bringing our occupying troops home from Syria all Dem presidential candidates except Gabbard opposed that initiative or were silent. They sided with Republican neocons. Trump did propose removing 5,000 troops from Afghanistan. Republicans and most Democrats opposed Trump. However, my point was that Trump had not started any new wars as had his two predecessors. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If you think that Obama's killing of hundreds of thousands of Arabs with unconstitutional executive wars he started in is less of a "character fault" than what Trump was penalized for, we have a disagreement. I would have preferred that Nixon has ended Johnson's Vietnam War sooner but Johnson started it and Nixon ended it. Obama got us into the Syria, Libya, and Ukraine messes and now Democrats are trying to get us to stay in Syria.

    We provided Kurds with weapons to take back territory ISIS took with weapons we provided ISIS' allies. The Kurds took their land back. Mission accomplished. We have no treaty with the Kurds. Our treaty is with Turkey a NATO ally. We only had 50-150 troops in the 15 mile wide border. That's something like 1 troop/40 square miles. Trump was right to pull them back. That land belongs to Syria which never permitted or encouraged the U.S. to occupy it. Once Turkey invaded Syria, Syria moved its troops north to reoccupy some of that border area. That's between Syria and Turkey. It is not our affair. Widespread "genocide" predicted by Democrats and neocons did not occur.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeLemur View Post
    Trump's scam University is about him being a fraudulent person, someone who can not be trusted to do anything but feed their own ego and pockets. That is what you see from him. He is a habitual liar. His lies have been documented and are beyond the normal level of deceit from Presidents.
    You don't put that type of person in the Oval Office or you get results like being Russia's lapdog. I mean Trump is breaking up NATO and the Western alliance himself - this is Vladimir Putin's prime objective and he's doing it for him. That is a serious result.
    -Again, I view the financial burdens Obama imposed on students to be statistically hundreds of times more serious than Trump's school. I measure damage. You measure "character".

    "Putin's lapdog"? Are you channelling Joe McCarthy? Obama's screw-ups in Syria and Ukraine opened the doors in both places for Putin to bring in his military.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeLemur View Post
    Or giving multi-millionaires another tax cut when they don't need it, that is a serious result. So what do you do, if companies can outsource good jobs? I know what you don't do. You don't give the millionaire executives in those companies more tax cuts that they don't need.
    I'm for raising taxes and cutting spending enough to cover more than our trillion dollar a year deficit using the formula proposed by the Simpson-Bowles Committee. Which Democrats support doing the same? I advocate import taxes which hurt the rich and benefit American labor. Going back to Woodrow Wilson's income tax of up to 6% on the rich, it was introduced in a Democratic bill to cut import taxes so the rich had to pay a small income tax in return for being able to profit from cheaper overseas foreign labor. It was a trade off. Eventually, middle class Americans had to pay most of the income taxes. The middle class, not the 1%, were the ultimate victims of Wilson's income tax. Warren's unconstitutional 2% wealth tax will no doubt also spread to the middle class when it fails to pay for all her plans just like Wilson's income tax on the rich. I love how the Trump tax cut reduced deductions for the rich in wealthy states so those of us in flyover country don't have to subsidize rich people in CA, Long Island, and CT. Democrats, of course, are fighting to resume those tax deductions for the rich.

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