Detroit "worst city in US" per Daily Mail

[Hermod]

This popped up in my facebook feed:

http://bb4sp.com/americas-worst-cities/

[ParisianLesion]

Why would you even post this? This is just blog garbage.

[313WX]

Why would you even post this? This is just blog garbage.

Is it "blog garbage" as well when someone posts something that says Detroit is the best at whatever?

[Jimaz]

FWIW, that website appears in PolitiFact's guide to fake news websites and what they peddle as "fake news."

That looks like a useful list to bookmark.

[313WX]

FWIW, that website appears in PolitiFact's guide to fake news websites and what they peddle as "fake news."

That looks like a useful list to bookmark.

The list was compiled by 24/7 Wall Street.

BTW, below is the criteria:

Criteria was based on variables such as crime rates, employment growth, access to restaurants and attractions, educational attainment and housing affordability in cities with a population of 65,000 or more.

[Hermod]

FWIW, that website appears in PolitiFact's guide to fake news websites and what they peddle as "fake news."

That looks like a useful list to bookmark.

Without regard as to whether or not you like the website, they are merely reporting what a reputable site published.

[Hermod]

Same thing from a site possibly more to your liking:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...roit-No-1.html

[O3H]

Find me a big city in the USA without the same major problems Detroit has.
- Others will file for bankruptcy, have catastrophic infrastructure fails, etc.

All things considered, it is slowly evolving forward from complete chaos.

[313WX]

Find me a big city in the USA without the same major problems Detroit has.
- Others will file for bankruptcy, have catastrophic infrastructure fails, etc.

All things considered, it is slowly evolving forward from complete chaos.

By every measure, no other major US city has devolved to the extent Detroit has, not even the favorite whipping boy by certain members on this forum [[Chicago).

[O3H]

I beg to disagree - the news is filled with economic chaos across the USA.
Cities are struggling to meet pension obligations, payroll, contracts, etc.
Call it what you want chapter ___ chapter that ___, bankrupt, debt, etc.
Look beneath the veil of media hype of prosperity, good times for all.
Over 50 municipalities filed for bankruptcy in the USA.

[313WX]

I beg to disagree - the news is filled with economic chaos across the USA.
Cities are struggling to meet pension obligations, payroll, contracts, etc.
Call it what you want chapter ___ chapter that ___, bankrupt, debt, etc.
Look beneath the veil of media hype of prosperity, good times for all.

What other cities:

*Have 40% of its population living in poverty?

*Had 1/2 of its streetlights not functioning?

*Had 1 hour emergency response times?

*Lost over 1 million people and 2/3rds of its peak population?

*Had its mayor convicted and arrested for corruption while in office?

*Had no chain big box / grocery stores?

*Has homes that can be purchased for $1?

*Has 80,000 vacant structures that require demolition

*Had numerous vacant/abandoned skyscrapers in their CBD?

etc., etc., etc...

[Honky Tonk]

What other cities:

*Have 40% of its population living in poverty?

*Had 1/2 of its streetlights not functioning?

*Had 1 hour emergency response times?

*Lost over 1 million people and 2/3rds of its peak population?

*Had its mayor convicted and arrested for corruption while in office?

*Had no chain big box / grocery stores?

*Homes that can be purchased for $1?

*80,000 vacant structures that require demolition

*Had numerous vacant/abandoned skyscrapers in their CBD?

etc., etc., etc...

Details, details...

[O3H]

Detroit is not special - it was just the first to get intense media scrutiny.
Now that the ice was broken, you'll see others fall into the quagmire as well

Poverty is a statewide issue in Kentucky, affecting 800,000 people
Places like Boston,Indianapolis,ElPaso,Fresno aren't thriving either anymore.

[313WX]

Detroit is not special - it was just the first to get intense media scrutiny.
Now that the ice was broken, you'll see others fall into the quagmire as well

Poverty is a statewide issue in Kentucky, affecting 800,000 people
Places like Boston,Indianapolis,ElPaso,Fresno aren't thriving either anymore.

I never said Detroit was special. I merely said no other major US city has devolved to the extent Detroit has.

BTW, aside from Boston and Indianapolis, none of those other cities are major. And it is simply intellectually dishonest to compare Boston or Indianapolis to Detrot [[at least others would default to the usual suspects of Cleveland and St. Louis, lol).

[Bham1982]

Find me a big city in the USA without the same major problems Detroit has.
- Others will file for bankruptcy, have catastrophic infrastructure fails, etc.

I would say no major metro area has the problems of Detroit. I mean, among the top 15 or so metros, is there a region with similar challenges? Chicago, maybe, but they have a great core and strong urban infrastructure.

If you go to top 25 or so metros, I would agree there are similarly challenged places. Cleveland, St. Louis are as challenged, perhaps worse. If you go top 50 or so, places like Memphis and perhaps New Orleans are more challenged.

[Hermod]

24/7 used as the criteria a population of 65,000 for scoring. There were 551 cities in the US that they scored. There is a list in the article of the worst 50. Detroit made number one. Birmingham, AL was number two. Flint came in at number three.

[Bham1982]

Smaller, rustier metros like Flint and Youngstown are clearly more challenged. They're poorer, far worse demographic trends and no real assets. Even the good areas are pretty undesirable.

I would only compare Detroit to the larger U.S. metros.

[313WX]

I would say no major metro area has the problems of Detroit. I mean, among the top 15 or so metros, is there a region with similar challenges? Chicago, maybe, but they have a great core and strong urban infrastructure.

If you go to top 25 or so metros, I would agree there are similarly challenged places. Cleveland, St. Louis are as challenged, perhaps worse. If you go top 50 or so, places like Memphis and perhaps New Orleans are more challenged.

Even in those cities you mentioned [[Cleveland, St. Louis, Memphis, New Orleans, etc.), they at least:

*Have functioning city governments.

*Don't have large swaths of land that resemble a war-torn region.

*Don't have suburbanites who harbor borderline violent hatred for their city.

*Have relatively vibrant cores / CBDs.

[313WX]

Smaller, rustier metros like Flint and Youngstown are clearly more challenged. They're poorer, far worse demographic trends and no real assets. Even the good areas are pretty undesirable.

I would only compare Detroit to the larger U.S. metros.

Flint and Youngstown were corporate towns who only served the purpose of being satellite cities to the real population, cultural and political centers in the region [[Detroit and Cleveland).

Once said companies decided to uproot their operations from Flint and Youngstown, of course there wasn't going to be any hope for them.

[Bham1982]

Even in those cities you mentioned [[Cleveland, St. Louis, Memphis, New Orleans, etc.), they at least:

*Have functioning city governments.

*Don't have large swaths of land that resemble the middle east.

*Don't have suburbanites who harbor borderline violent hatred for their city.

*Have relatively vibrant cores / CBDs.

I would say Detroit has a better core than St. Louis these days, and much better core than Memphis. Downtown Memphis is awful. Detroit's core is a little worse than Cleveland, though.

New Orleans is hard to compare, being a thriving tourist-convention city, yet extremely poor and troubled.

I think all these cities have large, bombed out areas not dissimilar to Detroit. St. Louis has actually had greater depopulation. East New Orleans probably looks worse than Detroit, though that's the legacy of Katrina.

[O3H]

Perhaps some are out of touch with population similarities
https://ballotpedia.org/Largest_citi..._by_population

El Paso is right there with Detroit , Indianapolis is higher than the D
Boston is pretty damn close in population

Detroit has no lock on poverty, debt, pension obligations, etc., etc.

[313WX]

Perhaps some are out of touch with population similarities
https://ballotpedia.org/Largest_citi..._by_population

El Paso is right there with Detroit , Indianapolis is higher than the D
Boston is pretty damn close in population

Detroit has no lock on poverty, debt, pension obligations, etc., etc.

I measure "major cities" based on their metro population.

Besides Detroit, cities such as Atlanta, DC and Minneapolis are perfect examples of why one should not only focus on the population of the city proper.

[Scottathew]

Is it "blog garbage" as well when someone posts something that says Detroit is the best at whatever?

It's all click-baity junk.

[313WX]

It's all click-baity junk.

Fair enough.

The reason I asked is because there are folks who will get upset at negative "click-baity junk" like the OP posted, yet those same folks will jump for joy at positive "click-baity junk."

[ABetterDetroit]

It's all click-baity junk.

Some people are still pretty slow on the uptake that they are targeted based on their browsing history, they think it's some sort of coincidence that they are interested...