The Big Fat Compendium Of Russiagate Debunkery

[Pam]

I didn't vote for Hillary because of her corruption, her policies, her lying, her cheating of Sanders in the primaries etc. I made up my own mind as did millions of other people. Russia had nothing to do with it. It's really an insult to the voters if you think they were somehow brainwashed into not voting for her. Trump got more electoral votes in the right states. End of story. Get over it.

[Richard]

Bust, "Clinton's unsuccessful campaign [[$768 million in spending) outspent Trump's successful one [[$398 million) by nearly 2 to 1. The Democratic National Committee and left-leaning outside groups also outspent their Republican counterparts by considerable margins."The NSA and other U.S. intelligence agencies have an annual budget of over $75B. "Russian information troll farm the Internet Research Agency spent just 0.05 percent as much on Facebook ads as Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump’s campaigns combined in the run-up to the 2016 U.S. presidential election." Amazing! Your Reuters article said that up to 126M people may have seen the Russian troll posts which is the same number of people that voted in the presidential election. Imagine then the impact the combined Hillary and Trump adds that cost 2,000x more must have had. Yet we are supposed to be quivering at what Russia spent? Why did Facebook take the money? Why didn't those intelligence agencies pick up the Russian Facebook purchase, spying in Hillary's illegal server, overriding Podesta's lame password, etc.. with the $75B we gave them? We have this irony of Democrats pretending that Russians significantly interfered with our election [[Ok, maybe they actually believe it.) while trying to maintain legal and illegal open border policies. The numbers here don't make sense. Americans, as a whole, aren't that gullible.

They are reporting that the 13 Russians indicted entered the country in 2014 under false pretenses ,gee that is a surprise.

Allowing the best and brightest immigrants in,of course it probably would have been counter productive if they were the dumbest,or maybe they were allowed in for a specific reason.

[bust]

Some of you stumble over your facts to make empty excuses for your demagogue-in-chief.

You typify the politics of the petty, where people dance and shout as the republic burns.

Detroit has suffered from decades of brain drain. You're why.

Scandal-Ridden Scoundrel
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/o...scoundrel.html

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PS. Where are people leaving Detroit going? I left for where people voted almost 96% for Clinton, less than 2% for Trump. Politics weren't a big part of my decision. But having good neighbors and great opportunities certainly were.

You might be surprised how many of my neighbors are also from the Detroit area. Maybe it's a good idea to consider why so many leave Detroit for a place like that.

How Every New York Neighborhood Voted in the 2016 Presidential Election
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/numbers/clinton-trump-president-vice-president-every-neighborhood-map-election-results-voting-general-primary-nyc

[Honky Tonk]

I left for where people voted almost 96% for Clinton, less than 2% for Trump. Politics weren't part of my decision. But having good neighbors and great opportunities certainly was. You might be surprised how many of my neighbors are also from the Detroit area. Maybe it's a good idea to consider why so many leave Detroit for a place like that.

So let me get this straight. You don't even live in Detroit. You found this euphoric land where you're surrounded by similar minded individuals, yet you spend a good portion of your time posting on a website in a city you no longer live in? Sounds like you've carved out quite a life for yourself.

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PPS. Can't wait to hear what Honky has to say about that.

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So let me get this straight. You don't even live in Detroit. You found this euphoric land where you're surrounded by similar minded individuals, yet you spend a good portion of your time posting on a website in a city you no longer live in? Sounds like you've carved out quite a life for yourself.

Oh, that's what you think. Not welcome to "other" opinions. Not surprised. And you're welcome. There should be another way to say that, because you're not.

PS. My family almost certainly descends from Detroit longer than yours has. Many are still there. That shouldn't really matter. But it partially explains why I still care.

[Richard]

Some of you stumble over your facts to make empty excuses for your demagogue-in-chief.

You typify the politics of the petty, where people dance and shout as the republic burns.

Detroit has suffered from decades of brain drain. You're why.

Scandal-Ridden Scoundrel
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/o...scoundrel.html

So Charles M Blow posted his opinion in the NYT and you take that as fact?

You are aware of the difference between opinions and facts.

as for your next post down there are 1000 maps out there that show how urban ereas voted predominantly democrat,so no breaking news there.

One hits a new low when they attack a city for doing what they believe in,if one cannot stand this country and the people in it no matter what their views are then maybe it is best to move to another country where they can be comfortable with like minded individuals.

Maybe try Cuba,N Korea etc. they seem to prefer the be like minded or disappear aspect.

Once again when you wake up tomorrow your president will be Donald Trump,no matter how long one stands in the corner and throws a temper tantrum he will still be there.

[Honky Tonk]

Oh, that's what you think. Not welcome to "other" opinions. Not surprised. And you're welcome. There should be another way to say that, because you're not.

PS. My family almost certainly descends from Detroit longer than yours has. Many are still there. That shouldn't really matter. But it partially explains why I still care.

Since you have no idea how long my family has lived here, it's just another BS post. I can't even phantom sitting on the internet all day, trying to solve another city's problems that I don't live in. Especially since I now live in Euphoria-land, surrounded by my own kind of people. "Still care"? Sounds like nothing to do.

[Zacha341]

Sounds about how it went down to me. Good post!

I didn't vote for Hillary because of her corruption, her policies, her lying, her cheating of Sanders in the primaries etc. I made up my own mind as did millions of other people. Russia had nothing to do with it. It's really an insult to the voters if you think they were somehow brainwashed into not voting for her. Trump got more electoral votes in the right states. End of story. Get over it.

[Zacha341]

FBI got tip on alleged Florida shooter Nikolas Cruz in January, but didn’t ‘follow protocols’

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...orried-n848266

^ they had their hands full working under the direction of the Dems trying to overthrow the Republican Party,they did not have time to work on the whole internal security aspect.

He also had 20 plus visits by the PD in the last 60 days,but yet ......

[Maof]

He's going on another twitter rampage this morning. Doesn't know if he's coming or going.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...02556204003328

[Richard]

^ apparently neither does the Democratic Party,keep fixating and makeing sure he wins another term.

Some are more worried about what he tweets then getting the parties ducks in a row,but that is par to the course,lose then blame everybody else.

Notice how life does not always give participation trophies,adults get back up,brush the dust off and try it another way in moving forward.

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I didn't vote for Hillary because of her corruption, her policies, her lying, her cheating of Sanders in the primaries etc. I made up my own mind as did millions of other people. Russia had nothing to do with it. It's really an insult to the voters if you think they were somehow brainwashed into not voting for her. Trump got more electoral votes in the right states. End of story. Get over it.

I didn't vote for Hillary in the primary because of her corruption, her policies, her lying, her cheating of Sanders etc.

But I damn well voted for her in the general because I'm not so foolish as to be unable to recognize the tremendous risk presented by the far greater of two evils. In all my years of voting never was that choice more obvious.

I accept the result of the election. But end of story? Sit back and watch as our president leads us down a path of self-destruction? Nah. This is a participatory democracy, and that doesn't stop once I cast my ballot.

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So Charles M Blow posted his opinion in the NYT and you take that as fact?

You are aware of the difference between opinions and facts.

Of course I recognize the difference between fact and opinion. My opinions match closely the ones expressed in the editorial.

Donald Trump is scandal-plagued habitual miscreant guilty of so many more violations of ethics and basic morals than I ever thought possible to be voted president. To say nothing of his terrible policies. His supporters are outrageous hypocrites, cheering as he besmirches our once proud nation and leads it dangerously down a dark path toward destruction.

One hits a new low when they attack a city for doing what they believe in,if one cannot stand this country and the people in it no matter what their views are then maybe it is best to move to another country where they can be comfortable with like minded individuals.

Maybe try Cuba,N Korea etc. they seem to prefer the be like minded or disappear aspect.

Funny what you just did there. I've proven here time and time my love for my country and native city. I implore that they deserve better. You're the one who says if I'm not down with the Trump program to get the hell out of it.

Which of us wants to exile different opinions?

[Richard]

^ you still do not get why Trump was elected,maybe try understanding people instead of being quick to belittle and call people names.

Many have chosen to refer to Sweden as a role model for the world,take a look at what has become of Sweden and ask yourself if that is what you really want for America.

http://allthatstreaming.com/media/at...ral-utopia.mp4

[Pam]

Jimmy Dore- "FBI Russian Indictments Used To Silence The Left"


https://youtu.be/YnPAxdII5PU

[aj3647]

Many have chosen to refer to Sweden as a role model for the world,take a look at what has become of Sweden and ask yourself if that is what you really want for America.

http://allthatstreaming.com/media/at...ral-utopia.mp4

Have you ever actually been to Sweden or is your impression of the country based solely on a white supremacist propaganda video you found on whatever dark corners of the internet you inhabit when you're not here?

[Richard]

Have you ever actually been to Sweden or is your impression of the country based solely on a white supremacist propaganda video you found on whatever dark corners of the internet you inhabit when you're not here?

Actualy this is about the darkest corner of the Internet that I inhabit,yes I have been in a lot of places that I would not wish others to go.

To you a white supremacist propaganda video,to others who live in the reality not so much,Germany,Israel,Spain the U.K. and many others are rolling back their refugee programs.

It seems as though they are realizing that no matter how compassionate you are,you cannot take somebody that has spent a lifetime in turmoil,violence and the mindset of if you want anything you must take it by any means possible,and mix them into a persay normal functioning society where one is expected to work instead of receiving through violence.

Take a 12 year old and put a AK 47 in his hands and then tell him to go survive,if he is not dead by age 13 he will have mastered the art of survival and that will be the only way they know.

I guess in our sheltered life it becomes hard to imagine how it really is in some parts of the world.

[aj3647]

Actualy this is about the darkest corner of the Internet that I inhabit,yes I have been in a lot of places that I would not wish others to go.

To you a white supremacist propaganda video,to others who live in the reality not so much,Germany,Israel,Spain the U.K. and many others are rolling back their refugee programs.

It seems as though they are realizing that no matter how compassionate you are,you cannot take somebody that has spent a lifetime in turmoil,violence and the mindset of if you want anything you must take it by any means possible,and mix them into a persay normal functioning society where one is expected to work instead of receiving through violence.

Take a 12 year old and put a AK 47 in his hands and then tell him to go survive,if he is not dead by age 13 he will have mastered the art of survival and that will be the only way they know.

I guess in our sheltered life it becomes hard to imagine how it really is in some parts of the world.

So to summarize, no, you've never been to Sweden. That's all you had to say. Good to know you're such an expert though on what life is like in a country you've never been to.

[GMan]

Europe is learning the hard way.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7561701.html

https://www.globalresearch.ca/europe...sweden/5597450

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...-welfare-state

https://www.rt.com/news/410102-crime...d-high-sweden/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ration-sweden/


I included an RT article in their for you AJ. lol

[Richard]

To defend itself, the EU is now spending tens of Millions in an attempt to stop migrants and refugees leaving Libya. The country’s ongoing civil war, started by Britain, France and NATO has left Africa’s wealthiest nation is ruins. Now daily allegations of torture, rape and killings earn it the moniker of “hell on Earth” among migrants.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/europes-refugee-crisis-is-now-destroying-sweden/

^
They forgot to mention that the coalition was assembled by then state department head Mrs Hilliary Clinton who then installed a "friendly" government which decided to play not so nice and started all of this mess.

What a web we weave when we choose to deceive.

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I included an RT article in their for you AJ. lol

GMan, someone should do a case study of your susceptibility to Russian propaganda.

You included a link to GlobalResearch too.

NATO accuses it of playing an important role disseminating Russian propaganda and other disinformation.

It's interesting how many of the conspiracy theories promoted by GlobalResearch and the Russian propaganda machine found their way to DetroitYes, especially during the run up to the election.

GMan, you haven't been the only one.

NATO Research Centre Sets Sights on Canadian Website Over Pro-Russian Disinformation
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle37015521/

A subscription is required to see the article, but the full text is readable in the page source if you don't mind HTML. I've included some choice parts here.

“The website, globalresearch.ca, is ostensibly the online arm of the Centre for Research on Globalization, which has the trappings of a think tank and styles some of its regular contributors as "senior fellows." But it is the media that matters: Its online content and its amplification on social media form the core of its activities.

The site has posted more than 40,000 of its own pieces since it was launched in 2001, according to one long-time contributor. But it does more: It picks up reports from other, often obscure websites, thus giving them a Global Research link. Those reports often get cross-posted on a series of other sites or aggressively spread across Facebook and Twitter by followers who actively share or retweet them, including a number of social botnets, or bots – automated accounts programmed to spread certain globalresearch.ca content.

The site has disseminated articles that claimed the Assad regime was not behind the April chemical weapon attack that drew a punitive U.S. missile strike, also suggesting it was a hoax and that the deadly nerve agent sarin was not used. It spread other false reports, such as a claim that NATO was preparing to deploy 3,600 tanks near the Russian border as part of a mission to Eastern Europe.

The site initially drew attention for claiming that the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States were a false-flag operation orchestrated by the CIA.

But what once appeared to be a relatively harmless online refuge for conspiracy theorists is now seen by NATO's information warfare specialists as a link in a concerted effort to undermine the credibility of mainstream Western media – as well as the North American and European public's trust in government and public institutions.”

“Global Research is viewed by NATO's Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence – or StratCom – as playing a key accelerant role in helping popularize articles with little basis in fact that also happen to fit the narratives being pushed by the Kremlin, in particular, and the Assad regime.”

“The site's founder, Michel Chossudovsky, has long been an iconoclast, a leftist University of Ottawa economics professor who challenges mainstream capitalist economics. Locally, he gained brief notoriety when his theories of Israeli cabals sparked allegations of anti-Semitism. His site, globalresearch.ca, tends to view the United States as a militaristic aggressor and NATO as its warmongering tool – views also promoted by Russia. It also asserts the United States is behind extremists such as the Islamic State and its allies, a view promoted by the Assad regime.”

“Global Research has from the beginning espoused conspiracy theories, including that the United States and its allies continue to support and fund Islamist extremists, including al-Qaeda and IS, and has taken the view that the U.S.-led NATO alliance is fomenting war around the world.”

“Global Research has developed unusual reach for a site that specializes in conspiracy-heavy anti-Western articles on international relations.

It uses that reach to push not only its own opinion pieces, but "news" reports from little-known websites that regularly carry dubious or false information. At times, the site's regular variety of international-affairs stories is replaced with a flurry of items that bolster dubious reportage with a series of opinion pieces, promoted on social media and retweeted and shared by active bots.”

“They were spread on Twitter by a mix of far-right, alt-left and anarchist groups – and bots. In fact, this is now a feature of globalresearch.ca's reach: It is being aggressively amplified by Twitter users pushing its content, including automated accounts.

And then there is cross-posting. Global Research frequently republishes articles that first appeared on RT or the Kremlin-run Sputnik news agency, which also frequently quotes Mr. Chossudovsky as a source. And it gives content from obscure sites exposure.

Mr. Chossudovsky is treated as an esteemed researcher when he appears on RT and its op-ed website, which carries a bio that calls him "an award-winning author, professor of economics [[emeritus) at the University of Ottawa, founder and director of the Centre for Research on Globalization."

Other writers for the site are similarly lionized by RT. F. Willam Engdahl, whose writing includes reports that the CIA is behind pro-democracy movements in Hungary and that genetically modified organisms are part of a conspiracy designed just after the Second World War to control the world's food supply, has written for publications of the conspiracy-minded Lyndon LaRouche political movement, which sees Prince Charles as the leader of an evil international plot, and for Global Research. His RT bio calls him "an award-winning geopolitical analyst and strategic risk consultant" and a "Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization in Montreal."

Among globalresearch.ca's listed "partner websites" is the Moscow-based Strategic Culture Foundation, known for promoting the Kremlin narrative that the ouster of Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych was a Western-backed coup d'état rather than a popular revolution. Its contributors include pro-Russian authors such as Andrew Korybko, a former journalist with Sputnik who now works for pro-Russian think tank Katehon, and Jerome Corsi, now the Washington bureau chief for the U.S. conspiracy site InfoWars.”

“The false information is not limited to topics that fit the site's purported international-relations mission. During the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign, globalresearch.ca published a piece by a Florida anesthesiologist who claimed that Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton had Parkinson's disease – a claim that was circulated on far right and pro-Russia conspiracy sites and repeated by Trump supporters until it was mooted in mainstream tabloids and debunked by fact-checking site Snopes and physicians with knowledge of the disease.

StratCom first took note of globalresearch.ca in January, when it was the first website to republish an article – originally carried by the Donbass International News Agency, a pro-Kremlin news service that operates out of separatist-controlled eastern Ukraine – alleging that the United States had 3,600 tanks ready to deploy near the Russian border as part of a NATO mission.

The real number of tanks deployed to Poland and the Baltic States of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia under Operation Atlantic Resolve was 87.

Despite the dubious nature of the source and the easily checked facts [[the United States only has 8,848 tanks worldwide), globalresearch.ca carried the Donbass story verbatim, with Mr. Chossudovsky penning an introduction hypothesizing that the large military buildup could be departing U.S. president Barack Obama's retribution for Russia's alleged hacking attacks during the U.S. election.

The article then spread through some of the same websites that republished the Syria hoax story, before a toned-down version of the tale – mentioning 200 U.S. tanks – appeared on the RT website.

"What we found was that Global Research was essential in getting the '3,600 tanks' story more mainstream attention. Once it was picked up by them, it was picked up by their network of loyal allies," said StratCom's Ms. Barojan, who also does digital research for the Atlantic Council, a U.S.-government-affiliated think tank.”

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Maybe the Economist offers a more balanced view of the situation in Sweden:

Sweden is trying to turn people Swedish
The world’s greatest welcomers of refugees must work out how to assimilate them
https://www.economist.com/news/europ...-sweden-trying

I haven't been to Sweden, but I have cousins who are happy there. Seems like a great place. Still.

[Zacha341]

Wasn't there a move to remove crosses from some churches [[in Sweden) to help the incoming Muslim population feel more accepted?

IMO that's bending over backwards accommodation; beyond even the 'coexist', interfaith concept.

Who respects a people so bent on removing their own religious/ cultural symbols? How is this read?

The lukewarm church indeed, having little to offer anyway is the message -- so best remove their crosses. That's the way of it, accordingly, in order. I'm actually not surprised.

https://www.christiantoday.com/artic...nded/66831.htm

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/st...-sjomanskyrkan