The Big Fat Compendium Of Russiagate Debunkery

**313WX** · January-06-18, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by aj3647

He will resign from office or be removed before January 20, 2021. Count on it. Pence is probably already measuring the windows in the Oval Office for new curtains.

Report: Trump ordered Sessions NOT to recuse himself from the Russia investigation and grew furious when he did, stating that it was the AG's responsibility to "defend him."

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ing-himself-in

Also in the report, Special Counsel Robert Mueller has been able to "substantiate" claims made by James Comey in his private memos.

No longer even a matter of "if" at this point, but simply "when." Trump himself has provided Mueller with all the rope he needs. I predict Trump will be out of office within 12-18 months.

And I'm sure Pence will just be an awesome president huh?

**313WX** · January-06-18, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by jcole

Yes, it would be somewhat hollow; I'm certainly not looking forward to Pence as Pres. BUT, I'm fairly certain he wouldn't spend his early morning "crapper" hours on the tweety insulting other world leaders, people on his own staff and the military. I think he MIGHT bring some dignity back to the office

Well at least you're being somewhat truthful.

Too bad others can't seem to do the same

**gnome** · January-11-18, 02:40 PM

M.A.G.A
Mueller Ain't Going Away

**GMan** · January-12-18, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by gnome

M.A.G.A
Mueller Ain't Going Away

Mueller Ain't Got Anything!

**aj3647** · January-12-18, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by GMan

Mueller Ain't Got Anything!

Felony convictions for Mike Flynn and George Papadopulous. Felony indictments for Paul Manafort and Rick Gates. More to come.

**GMan** · January-12-18, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by aj3647

Felony convictions for Mike Flynn and George Papadopulous. Felony indictments for Paul Manafort and Rick Gates. More to come.

Nothing related to collusion.

**aj3647** · January-12-18, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by GMan

Nothing related to collusion.

Well at least you can hang your hat on that, although I imagine it comes as cold comfort to those facing prison time [[like Flynn and Manafort) and for those who are just waiting for the FBI to come a knockin' on their door with a pair of handcuffs [[Jared Kushner, Carter Page, Donald Trump Jr., etc.)

We'll see what happens. 2018 is shaping up to be a great year!

**Pam** · January-21-18, 09:00 PM

The Jimmy Dore show: "Twitter Sends Orwellian Email - “Protecting” You From Russia "

https://youtu.be/Fnbzg5qeaeE

**oladub** · January-21-18, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

The Jimmy Dore show: "Twitter Sends Orwellian Email - “Protecting” You From Russia "

https://youtu.be/Fnbzg5qeaeE

Good one, Pam. It resonated with things I've been bumping into. Joe McCarthy would approve. Who would have guessed that censorship would be privatized? When shopping malls became the new Main Street, some freedoms of speech and petition were left behind. Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, and Google just ramped private censorship up. I've been noticing Fake News feeds on Facebook lately including 'Great Big Story', ATTN, and BornRealist Tech that are total propaganda made to look like news. Europe and Canada have already lost a lot of free speech legislatively. We are so far dealing more with a privatized version of censorship but it can also lead to loss of one's job and silencing dissent. I mostly avoid politics on Facebook but would like to wean myself off of Google.

**Honky Tonk** · January-22-18, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by oladub

Good one, Pam. It resonated with things I've been bumping into. Joe McCarthy would approve. Who would have guessed that censorship would be privatized? When shopping malls became the new Main Street, some freedoms of speech and petition were left behind. Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, and Google just ramped private censorship up. I've been noticing Fake News feeds on Facebook lately including 'Great Big Story', ATTN, and BornRealist Tech that are total propaganda made to look like news. Europe and Canada have already lost a lot of free speech legislatively. We are so far dealing more with a privatized version of censorship but it also leads to loss of jobs and silencing dissent. I mostly avoid politics on Facebook but would like to wean myself off of Google.

I'd like to wean myself off of DetroitYES!

**aj3647** · February-16-18, 01:46 PM

Robert Mueller just indicted 13 Russians and 3 Russian entities for interfering in the 2016 election [[and violating U.S. laws to do so).

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rod-ros...tream-updates/

https://news.google.com/news/amp?cau...ions#pt0-62108

Meanwhile in other news, one of the four Americans already indicted by Mueller, former Trump campaign deputy Rick Gates, is finalizing a plea deal with Mueller and is expected to turn state’s evidence and become a “cooperating witness.”

https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...robe/23363308/

This would make 3 for 4 now for Mueller with guilty pleas, with only Paul Manafort being the lone holdout to not cut a deal.

How’s that Nothingburger tasting, boys? Taste good yet? : )

**GMan** · February-16-18, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by aj3647

Robert Mueller just indicted 13 Russians and 3 Russian entities for interfering in the 2016 election [[and violating U.S. laws to do so).

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How’s that Nothingburger tasting, boys? Taste good yet? : )

Ho Hum.....
Still waiting for Mueller to indict the DOJ, FBI and DNC members that did collaborate with the Russians.

**oladub** · February-16-18, 07:15 PM

Ho Hum...
It will be difficult to charge Russia for exercising 1st Amendment speech. However, it looks like some Russians used false identity to do so. Prosecute for that. Then prosecute every other illegal non-citizen who used false IDs for jobs and benefits. Prosecute Hillary for illegally transmitting state secrets on her personal computer and giving Russia, China, Iran, and kids in their mom's basement easy access to them. Speaking of betrayals; prosecute employees of government departments who conspired against the Trump campaign for good measure. I hope Obama knew something about the weaponizing of government agencies. The most difficult part of Mueller's job must be to act outraged while pretending the US doesn't interfere with other governments and even overthrow them while tapping Merkel's phone and spying on Americans. Mueller lied in Iceland making him a good choice for Deep State Sheriff.

**aj3647** · February-16-18, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

Ho Hum...
It will be difficult to charge Russia for exercising 1st Amendment speech. However, it looks like some Russians used false identity to do so. Prosecute for that. Then prosecute every other illegal non-citizen who used false IDs for jobs and benefits. Prosecute Hillary for illegally transmitting state secrets on her personal computer and giving Russia, China, Iran, and kids in their mom's basement easy access to them. Speaking of betrayals; prosecute employees of government departments who conspired against the Trump campaign for good measure. I hope Obama knew something about the weaponizing of government agencies. The most difficult part of Mueller's job must be to act outraged while pretending the US doesn't interfere with other governments and even overthrow them while tapping Merkel's phone and spying on Americans. Mueller lied in Iceland making him a good choice for Deep State Sheriff.

Comrade oladub is here, right on time! How’s the weather in St. Petersburg today? That schizophrenic mess of Right Wing talking points you vomited reads like it was written by the Internet Research Agency.

**oladub** · February-16-18, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by aj3647

Comrade oladub is here, right on time! How’s the weather in St. Petersburg today? That schizophrenic mess of Right Wing talking points you vomited reads like it was written by the Internet Research Agency.

Yo aj, Nice to hear you channeling Joe McCarthy for the Deep State.

**bust** · February-17-18, 02:15 AM

The indictments make it a lot harder for the few of you here who keep denying there was any Russian meddling and dismissing the investigation as BS.

Same goes for Trump.

Indictment Makes Trump’s Hoax Claim Harder to Sell

"WASHINGTON — He brushed it off as a hoax. He mused that it might be China, or a guy from New Jersey, or “somebody sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds.” He said President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had assured him it wasn’t true. And, he added, “I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it.”

President Trump has never stopped belittling the charge that Russia meddled in the 2016 presidential election. But on Friday, with the indictment of 13 Russians for orchestrating a vast, well-funded operation to interfere in the election, those denials collided with a mountain of evidence arrayed by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III.

For Mr. Trump, who has tried to discredit Mr. Mueller’s investigation as a politically motivated witch hunt, it was a direct assault on the version of reality that he has sought tirelessly to create.

By laying out a meticulous case for how Russia tried to tip the electoral scales toward Mr. Trump in 2016, Mr. Mueller has made it much harder for the president to dismiss the investigation as mere politics. He may also have made it harder for Mr. Trump to fire Mr. Mueller himself, since, as some Democratic lawmakers argued, that would look like an attempt to help Russia further undermine American democracy.

Before the charges were announced, the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, briefed Mr. Trump and Donald F. McGahn II, the White House counsel, and handed over a copy of the indictment, according to a person briefed on the matter. Mr. Mueller was not present at the briefing.

On Friday afternoon, after Mr. Trump left Washington for his Palm Beach, Fla., estate, the White House issued a defiant statement claiming that the investigation had uncovered no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia."

The rest of the article is good reading too.

This part is especially depressing:

"Mr. Trump sidestepped the fact that he has stubbornly denied Russia’s interference, even after two assessments by the nation’s intelligence agencies concluded that Russia had meddled. Last November, during a trip to Asia, Mr. Trump said that Mr. Putin had told him that Russia did not meddle, and that he was inclined to believe him.

“Every time he sees me he says, ‘I didn’t do that,’ and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it,” Mr. Trump said. “I think he is very insulted by it,” he added, “which is not a good thing for our country.”

Mr. Trump went so far as to suggest that the heads of the intelligence agencies at the time of the 2016 election — John O. Brennan, the C.I.A. director; James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence; and James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director — were less trustworthy than Mr. Putin.

“I mean, give me a break — they’re political hacks,” he told reporters. “You have Brennan, you have Clapper, and you have Comey. Comey’s proven now to be a liar, and he’s proven to be a leaker, so you look at that.”"

At least House Speaker Paul Ryan seems to understand the gravity of Russia's actions. “The Russians engaged in a sinister and systematic attack on our political system,” he said. “It was a conspiracy to subvert the process, and take aim at democracy itself.”

But that was reported in the Times. So, you know, "fake news."

Trump says so.

Facebook estimates fraudulent Russian posts reached 126 million Americans on just that one platform alone. If you're on Facebook you probably saw them.

But that was reported by Reuters.

Digging deeper into this, an analysis of Russian Twitter bots shows their primary intent is to divide Americans and to instill distrust of our political systems. Like Trump does. There has been a recent sharp uptick in their promotion of the "deep state" narrative too.

But NPR.

Duck and cover. Facts incoming!

Don't worry, if that's what you're afraid of there are places you can hide.

Perhaps you think you're better served by Russia Today. Or the Russian agents masquerading as Americans on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube. Propaganda is what they promote. Does it feel cozy and warm?

Fox is a good safe space for the fact-averse too. It feels like facts. But they pick and choose and frame the news they present to fit their carefully constructed narrative. The one their loyal viewers want to hear. Except when an occasional guest inconveniently tells the pesky unscripted truth.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson told Fox News Russia is already meddling in next year's midterm elections.

But that link was to CNBC.

Perhaps the most upsetting of all:

Despite evidence it is already happening, FBI Director Christopher Wray said President Trump hasn't directed him to try to stop Russian efforts to meddle in our elections.

But that report was by The Hill.

Trump says we can't trust the media so that makes it all still a hoax, right?

Some will believe that, if it makes them feel good.

Indictment Makes Trump’s Hoax Claim Harder to Sell
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/u...-maintain.html

Facebook says 126 million Americans may have seen Russia-linked political posts
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1CZ2OI

Tracking Shows Russian Meddling Efforts Evolving Ahead Of 2018 Midterms
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/08/58414...-2018-midterms

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson: Russia is already trying to interfere in US midterm congressional elections
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/07/tillerson-russia-already-interfering-in-midterm-elections.html

FBI chief: Trump hasn't specifically directed me to stop Russian meddling in midterms
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...ddling-in-2018

**Richard** · February-17-18, 08:27 AM

Tough to keep the narratives straight.

Currant president wins the election,the cry that he colluded or worked with the Russians in order to win the presidency.

The meddling in the election process by the Russians in order to sway votes to the Sanders and Trump campaign via social media was a process that every country does,the only thing different is that we are now seeing how they do it.

Russians meddled in trying to disrupt democracy just we meddle in other countries trying to install democracy.

The meddling is totally irrelevant in theory because nobody had a clue that President Trump was going to win,the polls all showed that he was not going to win and the Democratic Party did their part to make shure Mr Sanders was not going to win.So why would they continue to spend time and resources on somebody that clearly had no chance of winning.

So what is worse Russians doing the same thing that they have been doing for the last 100 years,or our own Democratic Party underming the Democratic Process to gain power.

We can deal with Russians but how do we deal with the internal threats that work towards undermining our democracy?

We can figure there are now going to be some countries out there that can now publicly indict the United States for our meddling in the future.

But as the saying goes,you can indict a peanut butter sandwich and it is going to take a lot more then stating the obvious which is easy to do because we wrote the playbook.

The goal of internal and external socialisism is to spread that agenda,the goal of democracy is to spread that agenda,why is everybody so shocked to learn about a process that has been going on over 1000 years.

**Zacha341** · February-17-18, 12:51 PM

Hmm, very thorough of the FBI regarding this, as pronounced this Friday. We can now 'look' [[o)L[[o) over there, re. what we're told is crucial and newsworthy, right now, this weekend.

How's about their failed investigation and repeated visits to the Miami shooter and other warning signs in January etc. they were aware of - yet not follow-up on? What' up with that??

**GMan** · February-17-18, 01:32 PM

Mueller is going for soft targets and helping cover up for the FBI's incompetence and fact that they have been used by a political party [[the DNC ) to try and influence an election.
F.B.I. Failed By Incompetence.

https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/does...-chris-steele/

**Honky Tonk** · February-17-18, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Hmm, very thorough of the FBI regarding this, as pronounced this Friday. We can now 'look' [[o)L[[o) over there, re. what we're told is crucial and newsworthy, right now, this weekend.

How's about the investigation and repeated visits to the Miami shooter and other warning signs in January etc. they were aware of - not follow-up on?

The hell with that guy, you know what Trump tweeted this week?!?!

**Richard** · February-17-18, 01:34 PM

^ they had their hands full working under the direction of the Dems trying to overthrow the Republican Party,they did not have time to work on the whole internal security aspect.

He also had 20 plus visits by the PD in the last 60 days,but yet ......

**Zacha341** · February-17-18, 01:42 PM

Uhh, stop rebelling -- look over here, will you please! PLEASE! **sarc**

Why was this less important news released Friday? While parents are mourning one of the biggest shootings of our youth in this country.

**Richard** · February-17-18, 01:47 PM

The real question of the week will be does he loop over or under when he replaces the roll of toilet paper,that will determine his true state of mind.