The Big Fat Compendium Of Russiagate Debunkery

[GMan]

Exactly.

On a global scale, what people consider "far left" in the US would be Centrism elsewhere.

No. The Dems back in Ike's time were centrist.
Today's views, both dem and repbub have moved further left back with the blessing of the socialist agenda. Control every aspect of a persons life seems to be the goal. From cradle to grave.

[gnome]

No. The Dems back in Ike's time were centrist.
Today's views, both dem and repbub have moved further left back with the blessing of the socialist agenda. Control every aspect of a persons life seems to be the goal. From cradle to grave.

Yeah, like that gosh darn internet thing...all designed and developed by the government.

Bastards.

Out to get you, I say, make you say all sorts of craY and then find dozens of like-minded friends who validate all that craY.

Devious.

Then they make you want to drive in their death trap government-controlled/owned cars, on roads designed to not exactly kill you just damage you with their airbags to keep you alive and sucking out your blood through taxes.

God Bless America.

[oladub]

Exactly.

On a global scale, what people consider "far left" in the US would be Centrism elsewhere.

1.4B Chinese living under Communism would, by itself, tilt the world mean to the left of the US. There is, however, also a qualitative change in the U.S. left. The left in the U.S. used to champion American workers. It still makes token gestures to that effect. However, the wealthiest Americans tended to vote for Hillary as do the poor they choose to sponsor; often cheaper foreign labor that can be counted on for Democratic votes. Whereas Democrats used to represent the lower middle class, they now openly despise American lower middle class workers. Democratic votes peak at the lowest and highest income levels.

[Richard]

No. The Dems back in Ike's time were centrist.
Today's views, both dem and repbub have moved further left back with the blessing of the socialist agenda. Control every aspect of a persons life seems to be the goal. From cradle to grave.

That is why both Democrats and Republicans fight tooth and nail to keep our guns,they can take it to the edge,but know full well it is not wise to cross over it.

It is not a perfect system and nobody agrees all of the time but most will set all of that aside to protect it,if it came down to that.

[GMan]

Yeah, like that gosh darn internet thing...all designed and developed by the government.

Bastards.

Out to get you, I say, make you say all sorts of craY and then find dozens of like-minded friends who validate all that craY.

Devious.

Then they make you want to drive in their death trap government-controlled/owned cars, on roads designed to not exactly kill you just damage you with their airbags to keep you alive and sucking out your blood through taxes.

God Bless America.

Oh come on now. You know AL Gore invented the internet.
He also sounded the alarm about Global Warming.
Much more worried about rising sea levels than airbags in the face. Also I'm supposed to be taking public transit as it's the right thing to do instead of spewing all those carbon particles into the air from my personal vehicle. Oh and I should be willing to donate my taxes for the greater good as deemed by those experts in government. After all they are just public servants doing their best to spread wealth equally to all.
Wait to you get the chip put in. Oh and you will be doing it willingly. Otherwise they won't let you play in their reign deer games.

[313WX]

No. The Dems back in Ike's time were centrist.
Today's views, both dem and repbub have moved further left back with the blessing of the socialist agenda. Control every aspect of a persons life seems to be the goal. From cradle to grave.

Yeah, sorry. You're wrong.

Democrats were more socially conservatives back then, that is true. But economically, they were far more liberal. The party actively stood for the interest of labor unions by fighting against illegal immigration and free trade. Also, Democrats [[And even Republicans) were actually open to the idea of UBI and Universal Healthcare.

Today, you have democrats defending a right-wing healthcare bill, bending over backwards to defend illegal immigrants and democrats throwing labor unions under the bus with free trade agreements.

Legislation akin to Medicare / Medicaid, Social Security and Food Stamps would *NEVER* see the light of day with the Democrats who are in office today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats

[GMan]

Yeah, sorry. You're wrong.

Democrats were more socially conservatives back then, that is true. But economically, they were far more liberal. The party actively stood for the interest of labor unions by fighting against illegal immigration and free trade. Also, Democrats [[And even Republicans) were actually open to the idea of UBI and Universal Healthcare.

Today, you have democrats defending a right-wing healthcare bill, bending over backwards to defend illegal immigrants and democrats throwing labor unions under the bus with free trade agreements.

Legislation akin to Medicare / Medicaid, Social Security and Food Stamps would *NEVER* see the light of day with the Democrats who are in office today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats

Your response confirms what I said. The fact that both sides are supporting universal healthcare = socialism.
The fact that dems support trade co-ops = socialism.
Left leaning ideas.
The past dems and repubs were more focuses on national issues that benefited American Public, [[ with the help of strong trade unions.) That is how the politicians controlled the wealth back then and there was still enough around to satisfy anyone's ambition.
Now, the view is globalism and the things that used to keep the government in check such as trades unions, are instead used to keep the american public in check and secure a vote for who ever doles out the most scraps [[such as universal healthcare) to the members.

Both sides have moved Left.

[313WX]

Your response confirms what I said. The fact that both sides are supporting universal healthcare = socialism.
The fact that dems support trade co-ops = socialism.
Left leaning ideas.

Except I said nothing of the sort.

Since when is deregulation [[of trade) and supporting a health care bill crafted by a right-wing think tank [[Obamacare) "left leaning" or "socialism?"

Please explain.

[GMan]

Except I said nothing of the sort.

Since when is deregulation [[of trade) and supporting a health care bill crafted by a right-wing think tank [[Obamacare) "left leaning" or "socialism?"

Please explain.

From your earlier post; "Democrats [[And even Republicans) were actually open to the idea of UBI and Universal Healthcare."

Universal, or "Single Payer Healthcare" is a socialistic concept where someone, [[government) controls Content, [[provider) and Pays for services that government deems relevant. User has little control over provider and only options are using network and service or not. How is that not socalism? Where is the free market in that?
Add the individual mandate "TAX" that forced and individual to buy into the product instead of accepting the risks or pay for not using the product and explain how that is "free market" thinking?

[313WX]

From your earlier post; "Democrats [[And even Republicans) were actually open to the idea of UBI and Universal Healthcare."

Right. "Were" meaning in the past [[the era that we were making a comparison to, "Ike's time"), not now.

[oladub]

Since when is ... supporting a health care bill crafted by a right-wing think tank [[Obamacare) "left leaning" or "socialism?"

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with either of you, just adding a caveat. The predecessor of Obamacare was Romneycare in Massachusetts. What governments do is more important than whatever ideas are hatched out of influential but powerless think tanks. Government paying for anything is socialism which is legal under our Constitution. However, the Tenth Amendment allows things like education and health care to be overseen by states to a much greater degree by than by Washington since the power to do such things are generally not delegated to the federal government nor forbidden to states. Unfortunately, courts have pretty much ignored the 10th. Amendment since FDR.

[Pam]

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/09/...what-happened/

Friday was one of the most embarrassing days for the U.S. media in quite a long time. The humiliation orgy was kicked off by CNN, with MSNBC and CBS close behind, with countless pundits, commentators and operatives joining the party throughout the day. By the end of the day, it was clear that several of the nation’s largest and most influential news outlets had spread an explosive but completely false news story to millions of people, while refusing to provide any explanation of how it happened.

[Richard]

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/09/...what-happened/

The same reporter is the one that created the whole Washington DC anthrax scare that was also false.

It shows how the media can manipulate.

Remember Orson Welles 1938 war of the worlds radio broadcast panicked the entire country.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs0K4ApWl4g

[Pam]

Jimmy Dore show:

https://youtu.be/TiazicV_jLE

Jill Stein: Newest Target Of McCarthyism

[GMan]

New accomplice in the Russiagate investigation? RT OP ED piece:

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/413960-ji...on-russiagate/

[Richard]

Willing to bet there is probably somebody scouring the countries Chinese and Korean restaurants looking for video proof of collusion with those two countries.

[313WX]

So now you're moving the goal posts.

I need you to stay focused. Where is the evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to rig the US election, which is what neoliberals have accused him of doing over the past year?

I will wait.

Bump for aj3647. Question still stands [[so he doesn't forget).

[Richard]

^ I have been waiting for the past 50 some years for an answer as to how an extension cord in the corner ties itself in knots,but I think I will get my answer long before you get yours.

[Jimaz]

^ I have been waiting for the past 50 some years for an answer as to how an extension cord in the corner ties itself in knots ...

Here's a neat solution for that problem:
How To: No Tangle Extension Cord Storage.

Seriously, this technique works very well. It's basically just a series of slip knots that does an astonishing job of compressing the length of the cord.

Don't store the wrapped cord in a cold garage though — or at least warm it to room temperature before unwrapping it. Bending a cold, stiff cord is likely to stress it.

[Zacha341]

And where does that other sock in the dryer go? ------

^ I have been waiting for the past 50 some years for an answer as to how an extension cord in the corner ties itself in knots,but I think I will get my answer long before you get yours.

[Zacha341]

Awesome technique -- a form of crochet actually.... Thanks! If only politricks could be so neatly bound!

Here's a neat solution for that problem:
How To: No Tangle Extension Cord Storage.

[Jimaz]

Awesome technique -- a form of crochet actually....

You're correct. That is a crochet stitch.

It's easier to do than it looks. The hardest part is untangling and untwisting the original cord. Some talcum powder might help with that bit.

[313WX]

^ I have been waiting for the past 50 some years for an answer as to how an extension cord in the corner ties itself in knots,but I think I will get my answer long before you get yours.

True.

Some people are such frauds.

[aj3647]

So now you're moving the goal posts.

I need you to stay focused. Where is the evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to rig the US election, which is what neoliberals have accused him of doing over the past year?

I will wait.

Why don't you ask the "neoliberals" who say that then? Shall I demand that you defend every accusation leveled against Hillary Clinton by the Alt-Right? Show me some proof that a crime was committed in the Uranium One deal. Show me proof that Hillary Clinton runs a child sex ring out of the basement of a DC pizza place. Show me proof that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

If you want to challenge an accusation that *I* have personally made, then you can quote the post where I make it and I'll respond to it. I will be more than happy to do that. Barring that, I do not feel obligated to defend everything ever said by any liberal anywhere anymore than you should feel obligated to defend everything that comes out of some Alt-Right white supremacist's mouth.

Meanwhile I'm content to sit back and let Robert Mueller do his job and we'll see where the cards fall. Now that Mike Flynn is singing like a canary as a cooperating federal witness, 2018 is looking to be a great year!

[313WX]

Why don't you ask the "neoliberals" who say that then?

You, who was an extremely loyal supporter of former politician and neoliberal Hillary Clinton, have been [[by far) the most vocal person on this forum about the accusation, which is why I asked you specifically.

Shall I demand that you defend every accusation leveled against Hillary Clinton by the Alt-Right? Show me some proof that a crime was committed in the Uranium One deal. Show me proof that Hillary Clinton runs a child sex ring out of the basement of a DC pizza place. Show me proof that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

I have no reason to defend things I don't believe to be true. But nice try with your pivot.

Besides, this thread is about "The Big Fat Compendium of Russiagate Debunkery." So please stay on topic.

If you want to challenge an accusation that *I* have personally made, then you can

quote the post where I make it and I'll respond to it.

Here you go!

FBI said Russia interfered in our election.
CIA said Russia interfered in our election
NSA said Russia interfered in our election
Defense Intelligence Agency said Russia interfered in our election.

Republicans in Congress have conceded and do not dispute that Russia interfered in our election.

The ONLY people who still cling to the lie that Russia didn't do anything wrong [[aside from Putin, of course) are Trump and his supporters on the Internet.

Meanwhile I'm content to sit back and let Robert Mueller do his job and we'll see where the cards fall.

Sorry, but you already lost the ability to fall back on "let Robert Mueller do his job" when you made posts such as the following:

OK, so you believe that the CIA/FBI/NSA/DIA/etc. are all lying to you. And you believe that the entire mainstream media is lying to you. And apparently you also believe that all the top cyber-security firms are lying to you. What about Republicans in Congress? While they continue to deny that Trump colluded with the Russians, Republicans in Congress fully admit that Russia interfered in our election via coordinated hacking efforts and disseminating fake news propaganda to influence the American electorate. THEY ADMIT THIS. Not Democrats, mind you, but Republicans.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/congre...rticle/2006181



Here's Senator Marco Rubio talking about how he was targeted by Russian hackers when he was running against Trump in the primaries:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/30/politi...earing-russia/

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham: "We must punish Russia for interfering in our election" and "I'm 1,000 percent certain that the Russians interfered in our election."
http://www.newsweek.com/lindsey-grah...eddling-608900

The ship has sailed on this. The only people at this point who are still claiming that Russia didn't interfere at all in our election are the following: Donald Trump, Julian Assange, Alex Jones, and Vladmir Putin.

So think about that collection of above individuals that you find trustworthy and do some soul-searching.

So again, please answer the question. Where is the evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to rig the US election, which is what neoliberals have accused him of doing over the past year?