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    Quote Originally Posted by southen View Post
    Itís almost as if thatís a simpler job and fills their immediate needs for space so they prioritized it. Weird.
    Pretty much. Their most immediate need was office space because Gilbertís empire of businesses didnít have anywhere else to go. They even talked about temporarily going back to the suburbs because of the dearth in space downtown. So the solution was to build out OCM which was designed for the addition in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southen View Post
    It’s almost as if that’s a simpler job and fills their immediate needs for space so they prioritized it. Weird.
    Crazy concept, right?

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    Was just told by an insider this morning that they have just placed 4 cameras around the Hudson's site to time-lapse the vertical construction.

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    Hmmmm.... looks like all traces of 'jazz girl' have been wiped clean from DYES (except for our replies to her). Maybe Lowell found out she had an agenda or was a shill for someone else... and used some Troll-Be-Gone on the forum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarecrow View Post
    Was just told by an insider this morning that they have just placed 4 cameras around the Hudson's site to time-lapse the vertical construction.
    They posted some timelapse footage a few weeks ago: https://twitter.com/BedrockDetroit/s...16524331966465

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarecrow View Post
    Was just told by an insider this morning that they have just placed 4 cameras around the Hudson's site to time-lapse the vertical construction.
    Any indication that one of them could offer a live feed? It would be pretty boring now, but could be cool once steel starts going up! I do greatly appreciate the daily time lapse already on YouTube, but sometimes I get impatient waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EGrant View Post
    They posted some timelapse footage a few weeks ago: https://twitter.com/BedrockDetroit/s...16524331966465
    Great find EGrant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gistok View Post
    Hmmmm.... looks like all traces of 'jazz girl' have been wiped clean from DYES (except for our replies to her). Maybe Lowell found out she had an agenda or was a shill for someone else... and used some Troll-Be-Gone on the forum...
    Does this actually happen? Like some sort of DetroitYES! gestapo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by p1acebo View Post
    Does this actually happen? Like some sort of DetroitYES! gestapo?
    Of course not... more like a DYES School of Ettiquette.

    But if their posts disappear, it could have been "time to cull the herd"!!

    Newbies don't know it, but they are on probation here... very mild probation. Quickest way to be sent packing? Do a lot of Ad Hominems...
    Last edited by Gistok; August-23-19 at 10:02 PM.

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    Are they starting weekend work now? I drove by around noon today and the fence was open on the Woodward/Grand River corner. I couldn't see all the way down in to whole to see how many folks were down there.

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    Would be great if the building could be Detroits success version of Salesforce Tower in San Francisco. It was heralded to be but interesting to see what Bedrock comes up with.That building took a little over four years from start to finish to occupancy.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ZTHUmcW-A

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    I had never heard of Salesforce before this tower was constructed in SF. Observation of you tube video of our illustrious Hudsons Site does indicate they are making progress, but ever so slowly. They have that older style "RED" caisson drilling machine parked next to the wall and I have seen it drill very few caisson holes, I'm sure they have to pay for that machine to just sit there or maybe Barton Malow own it and wanted to get it out for a breath of fresh air. I now wonder if they know just what they are building or are they as mystified as the rest of us. Somebody is going to have to make a decision soon as they are running out of holes to drill, although they might have to hire a special group of people to locate all of the 175 caissons they have completed, but are now lost in the confusion of "just what the hell" are we building!

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    Yes, unfortunately it seems they dont know what they are building, and even worse, what the purpose of the building is, all after four years of anticipation, expensive plans drawn up by “ world class “ New York Firms, numerous media releases, major tax incentive grants and their government approval and it seems many are scratching their heads when you hear the project manager announce they dont know definitely the size of the building or its purpose... An awful lot of confusion and the public probably knows 20% of the truth...maybe thats a good thing,, a major negative on this project publicly would seriously hurt image and progression of other downtown projects and energy. Possibly everything will be just fine, but it would be a good idea to figure this whole project out one way or another..Bedrock and Gilbert have done wonderful things for Detroit and we must be very grateful, hopefully they will be able to persevere on this vital next step...

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    Bedrock will build it and they might come. What gets me is they don't have tenants as we speak. Is it dizziness or is there a recession coming and Bedrock would rather not speak about it? Seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetBill View Post
    Yes, unfortunately it seems they dont know what they are building, and even worse, what the purpose of the building is, all after four years of anticipation, expensive plans drawn up by “ world class “ New York Firms, numerous media releases, major tax incentive grants and their government approval and it seems many are scratching their heads when you hear the project manager announce they dont know definitely the size of the building or its purpose... An awful lot of confusion and the public probably knows 20% of the truth...maybe thats a good thing,, a major negative on this project publicly would seriously hurt image and progression of other downtown projects and energy. Possibly everything will be just fine, but it would be a good idea to figure this whole project out one way or another..Bedrock and Gilbert have done wonderful things for Detroit and we must be very grateful, hopefully they will be able to persevere on this vital next step...
    I still feel that there are factions warring behind the scenes over what this project should become. I thinkl that Gilbert. The Mayor, and maybe the contractors wanted or thought that this project was going to be one way but there's that element that want to keep Detroit a 5th rate city

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    I still feel that there are factions warring behind the scenes over what this project should become. I thinkl that Gilbert. The Mayor, and maybe the contractors wanted or thought that this project was going to be one way but there's that element that want to keep Detroit a 5th rate city
    Here you go again. This project will be some combination of retail, office & residential. What proportions are each and whether the building ends up at 60 or 90 storeys isn't going to somehow change the city to the point the big bad secret element needs to worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 401don View Post
    Here you go again. This project will be some combination of retail, office & residential. What proportions are each and whether the building ends up at 60 or 90 storeys isn't going to somehow change the city to the point the big bad secret element needs to worry.
    Agree.... there isn't some hidden city government conspiracy or agenda that wants to keep Detroit from prospering... Folks who are in the way of progress will be fired or sidelined by Duggan... he did the same thing at DMC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetBill View Post
    Would be great if the building could be Detroits success version of Salesforce Tower in San Francisco. It was heralded to be but interesting to see what Bedrock comes up with.That building took a little over four years from start to finish to occupancy.

    More like 5.5 years - I work across the street from Salesforce Tower.

    Salesforce Tower had around 50-60 caisons that went around 200-250 feet into bedrock. There's a project across the street that spent 18 months doing 110 caissons 300-350 feet into the ground. I should note that everyone was speculating that they were just moving dirt around the site b/c the progress was so difficult to see.

    It's also worth noting that the tower next to Salesforce Tower, Millennium Tower is sinking because they didn't go down to bedrock with their foundation - they're now forced to spend $100M to do just that (in addition to hundreds of millions more in settlements with the homeowners).

    It's worth the wait to ensure the tower stays in place if there's ever a seismic event
    Last edited by detroiter79; August-30-19 at 03:15 PM. Reason: typo

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    The lack of a hotel operator is the big issue - Bedrock wants a luxury operator (Ritz, Four Seasons, Waldorf, etc.) and the numbers just aren't there. The residences would potentially be branded if one of these operators would come on board which would heavily impact the designs of the interior. You'd want someone in place by now if this project is to deliver in 2023. So many things are contingent on this - if/once that question is answered things will fall into place.

    Gilbert really wants a luxury hotel brand - I hate to say it but it's doubtful that will happen right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detroiter79 View Post
    More like 5.5 years - I work across the street from Salesforce Tower.

    Salesforce Tower had around 50-60 caisons that went around 200-250 feet into bedrock. There's a project across the street that spent 18 months doing 110 caissons 300-350 feet into the ground. I should note that everyone was speculating that they were just moving dirt around the site b/c the progress was so difficult to see.

    It's also worth noting that the tower next to Salesforce Tower, Millennium Tower is sinking because they didn't go down to bedrock with their foundation - they're now forced to spend $100M to do just that (in addition to hundreds of millions more in settlements with the homeowners).

    It's worth the wait to ensure the tower stays in place if there's ever a seismic event

    Good point about millennium tower. Thatís a stinkin hot mess lol. I pray DG gets the hotel operator he wants. And youíre right. Heís lookin for luxury. I just donít know if Detroit can attract such a player in its market.

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    There was a Ritz Carlton in Dearborn several years ago. It was a very nice hotel and built by Ford Motor CO. It is now gone as they just could not support the Ritz Carlton name with just business travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboat View Post
    There was a Ritz Carlton in Dearborn several years ago. It was a very nice hotel and built by Ford Motor CO. It is now gone as they just could not support the Ritz Carlton name with just business travel.
    It closed because Metro Detroit's economy went into the dumps and Ford was collapsing, not because it couldn't support just business travel

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    There was a Big Boat. Economies are for sucka's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley View Post
    There was a Big Boat. Economies are for sucka's
    Some commentators on this forum could possibly own a "BIGBOAT" hence the name on my posts. Ford never collapsed, the Dearborn Ritz closed much before the 2008-2009 economic depression and it is now named differently. Same thing happened to the Dearborn Hyatt Regency not too far down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboat View Post
    Some commentators on this forum could possibly own a "BIGBOAT" hence the name on my posts.
    We know facts clearly aren't your strong point.

    Ford never collapsed
    So what rock were you living under when Ford had a record $14.6 billion lost, mortgaged itself down to the Blue Oval and eliminated nearly 70,000 jobs in 2002 - 2006 (while closing at least 14 plants).

    Source:

    https://www.cleveland.com/business/2...rican_ico.html

    ...the Dearborn Ritz closed much before the 2008-2009 economic depression...
    The Ritz Carlton marquee was taken down on 6/2/10.

    Source:

    http://www.pressandguide.com/news/de...8f3aebdd1.html

    Same thing happened to the Dearborn Hyatt Regency not too far down the road.
    The former Dearborn Hyatt Regency closed in 2018 because the current owner didn't want to spend the money to renovate and maintain what is ultimately a poorly aging building.

    Source:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.det...amp/2312264002

    As far as the Hyatt name being dropped, that was in 2012. While I'm sure faltering business travel tied to Ford's collapse and Metro Detroit's economy being in the dumps didn't help, it was largely because the owner was trash.

    A brand as renowed as Hyatt doesn't want to be associated with slumlords!? Shocking, I know!!!

    Source:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/detroit...ment-team/amp/

    I don't expect you to respond and admit you were wrong, since you ignored my last post. But I do feel obligated to let others who read this forum know that you're spreading falsehoods and set the record straight.
    Last edited by 313WX; September-01-19 at 08:07 AM.

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