Hudson's Site Building Thread

[Gistok]

^ Are you sure it is more expensive? Or are you just assuming. For all we know this may have been the game plan all along. Did you read Dmberko11's comments on concrete construction being cheaper... or andyguard's comments on the steel to concrete hybrid building happening elsewhere?

You need to get a hobby...

[bigboat]

^ Are you sure it is more expensive? Or are you just assuming. For all we know this may have been the game plan all along. Did you read Dmberko11's comments on concrete construction being cheaper... or andyguard's comments on the steel to concrete hybrid building happening elsewhere?

You need to get a hobby...

Gistok - you need to stop putting your 2 cents in also especially if you do not have anything to add that is reasonable and written so most can understand your theories. Most of us know you think you are an expert, but basically is full of something.

[Gistok]

Well bigboat... when more news is available... IT WILL BE POSTED.

[ShadowSoarer]

Update as of 7/12, hard to tell whether or not the elevator cores have gone up:

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[401don]

Update as of 7/12, hard to tell whether or not the elevator cores have gone up:

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With windows going in and not getting taller maybe they're building down now like the Exchange.

[JonWylie]

With windows going in and not getting taller maybe they're building down now like the Exchange.

Windows are being installed on the block, I haven't seen any yet on the tower.

[bigboat]

With windows going in and not getting taller maybe they're building down now like the Exchange.

According to the You Tube video of 7/12 the elevator core did go up about 20' today.

[Scottathew]

Here's the video of the core rise. Also, does anyone know what the purpose of the yellow wall-like things is?

[Lapooty]

Here's the video of the core rise. Also, does anyone know what the purpose of the yellow wall-like things is?

I've been wondering the same since they started putting them up so I finally did some digging myself.

Apparently it's called a 'perimeter safety screen'. Basically another safety system for deck construction.

[bigboat]

Apparently it's called a 'perimeter safety screen'. Basically another safety system for deck construction.[/QUOTE]

It is good construction has restarted on the tower. I have to say one thing though, converting to reinforced concrete is much more labor intensive as all of those forms used for the cement pour are all custom sized for the application and are all put together piece by piece. Steel does not require this and also no cure time is needed either.

[stasu1213]

Apparently it's called a 'perimeter safety screen'. Basically another safety system for deck construction.

It is good construction has restarted on the tower. I have to say one thing though, converting to reinforced concrete is much more labor intensive as all of those forms used for the cement pour are all custom sized for the application and are all put together piece by piece. Steel does not require this and also no cure time is needed either.[/QUOTE]

Follow the money. Who own the cement companies in Detroit and what official benefits

[Gistok]

There has to be a logical reason why when they built the Renaissance Center, they opted on steel for the office towers, and concrete for the residential [hotel] tower. Perhaps steel offers better options on open floor spaces on each floor, whereas the hotel floors using concrete don't require open floor spaces.

I assume that with the Hudson's Tower there is a similar reason they switched from steel for the public floors, to concrete for the residential/hotel floors... conspiracy theories aside...

[DetroitSoldier]

There has to be a logical reason why when they built the Renaissance Center, they opted on steel for the office towers, and concrete for the residential [hotel] tower. Perhaps steel offers better options on open floor spaces on each floor, whereas the hotel floors using concrete don't require open floor spaces.

I assume that with the Hudson's Tower there is a similar reason they switched from steel for the public floors, to concrete for the residential/hotel floors... conspiracy theories aside...

Steel allows for more open floor plates which allows for more open office spaces. Concrete requires more walls which are abundant in residential and hotel buildings.

[Jimaz]

There has to be a logical reason why when they built the Renaissance Center, they opted on steel for the office towers, and concrete for the residential [hotel] tower. Perhaps steel offers better options on open floor spaces on each floor, whereas the hotel floors using concrete don't require open floor spaces....

All I know is that steel is stronger in tension than compression and concrete is the opposite. So yeah, maybe the decision had more to do with boring science than intriguing politics.

Not-So-Fun Fact: When bending sheet steel, a sliver of extra material has to be left on the edge before bending. Bending causes the whole sheet to shrink just a hair because of that tension/compression imbalance. The sliver compensates for it.

[Jason]

Follow the money. Who own the cement companies in Detroit and what official benefits

The vast vast majority of hotels are made out of concrete, and the vast vast majority of office buildings are steel.

Every time a highrise hotel is built it is not a conspiracy between a corrupt city official and cement companies. Every time a highrise office building is built it is not a conspiracy between a corrupt city official and a steel company. Every time an office building is built it is not a conspiracy between a corrupt city official and a cubicle manufacturer. Hotels are not conspiracies between city officials and pillow manufacturers.

[EGrant]

I think all threads here are legally required to be injected with a baseless conspiracy theory every once in a while.

[stasu1213]

The vast vast majority of hotels are made out of concrete, and the vast vast majority of office buildings are steel.

Every time a highrise hotel is built it is not a conspiracy between a corrupt city official and cement companies. Every time a highrise office building is built it is not a conspiracy between a corrupt city official and a steel company. Every time an office building is built it is not a conspiracy between a corrupt city official and a cubicle manufacturer. Hotels are not conspiracies between city officials and pillow manufacturers.

For other cities true. Detroit, things are questionable. Sure everything is not conspiracy. However, many things constructed in Detroit are questionable. The Q Line for instance. The only rail system problem in the country that runs along the curb, Obey traffic lights along with cars, and not allowed to have its own righ away signal so that when approaching intersections it could just go through. Was the original design for the Hudson's Tower to be constructed out of mostly steel and glass? If so why would a developer change to use a much costlier material 1/4th into a project? I had posted questions on the site such as a Nike store being in downtown Detroit when naysayers texted that it would never work. There are just as many naysayers on here than so called conspiracy theorist.

[EGrant]

The Q Line for instance. The only rail system problem in the country that runs along the curb, Obey traffic lights along with cars, and not allowed to have its own righ away signal so that when approaching intersections it could just go through.

This is because the QLine was privately funded and the funders demanded this. Not a conspiracy theory.

[Jason]

For other cities true. Detroit, things are questionable. Sure everything is not conspiracy. However, many things constructed in Detroit are questionable. The Q Line for instance. The only rail system problem in the country that runs along the curb, Obey traffic lights along with cars, and not allowed to have its own righ away signal so that when approaching intersections it could just go through. Was the original design for the Hudson's Tower to be constructed out of mostly steel and glass? If so why would a developer change to use a much costlier material 1/4th into a project? I had posted questions on the site such as a Nike store being in downtown Detroit when naysayers texted that it would never work. There are just as many naysayers on here than so called conspiracy theorist.

The QLine is a streetcar and most streetcars run along the curb in mixed traffic. The thing is, is what people wanted, and what the city wanted to do was light rail. The QLine is a very typical streetcar, basically a modernized version of the streetcars from the 1950s. Light rail is like a hybrid between streetcars and subways. They use a different style of vehicle, and are longer and carry more passengers, travel faster, have more doors for passengers quickly board with. Light rail lines may have some portions mixed with traffic, but most of the route will have dedicated lanes or even have sections which are elevated or underground. In the mid 2000s, the private group wanted to build a streetcar to New Center and the city wanted to build a light rail line to 8 Mile. The city strongarmed the private group into joining the city's project, but the city's project was cancelled basically because of the city's finances, and so the private group went ahead and built their streetcar.

Portland created one of the first "modern streetcar" systems, and this is what many streetcars including the QLine are based on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKSt8NA1ees



For Hudson's, since you mentioned it I went back and looked at the rendering posted in a 2020 article showing the structure. https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2...pjpg&auto=webp The upper parts of the tower have the long flat wall-like "columns" characteristic of concrete. You can't tell what the bottom parts of the tower are in the rendering, but I have a separate section drawing [[I don't have a link handy) which clearly shows the steel beams in the lower part of the tower, but not the upper. So this is how it was planned to be.

[stasu1213]

The QLine is a streetcar and most streetcars run along the curb in mixed traffic. The thing is, is what people wanted, and what the city wanted to do was light rail. The QLine is a very typical streetcar, basically a modernized version of the streetcars from the 1950s. Light rail is like a hybrid between streetcars and subways. They use a different style of vehicle, and are longer and carry more passengers, travel faster, have more doors for passengers quickly board with. Light rail lines may have some portions mixed with traffic, but most of the route will have dedicated lanes or even have sections which are elevated or underground. In the mid 2000s, the private group wanted to build a streetcar to New Center and the city wanted to build a light rail line to 8 Mile. The city strongarmed the private group into joining the city's project, but the city's project was cancelled basically because of the city's finances, and so the private group went ahead and built their streetcar.

Portland created one of the first "modern streetcar" systems, and this is what many streetcars including the QLine are based on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKSt8NA1ees



For Hudson's, since you mentioned it I went back and looked at the rendering posted in a 2020 article showing the structure. https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2...pjpg&auto=webp The upper parts of the tower have the long flat wall-like "columns" characteristic of concrete. You can't tell what the bottom parts of the tower are in the rendering, but I have a separate section drawing [[I don't have a link handy) which clearly shows the steel beams in the lower part of the tower, but not the upper. So this is how it was planned to be.

Thanks for the breakdown

[ShadowSoarer]

Update as of 7/21 elevator cores went up today. Hopefully they can keep this pace.

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[stasu1213]

Steel allows for more open floor plates which allows for more open office spaces. Concrete requires more walls which are abundant in residential and hotel buildings.

The Lafayette Towers. 1300 Lafayette, The Pavillion, and The Jeffersonian are all steel structure residential buildings

[JonWylie]

Detroit City Council approves $60 million tax break for Dan Gilbert's Hudson's site | Crain's Detroit Business [[crainsdetroit.com)

A weeks-long stalemate over a $60.3 million tax break for Dan Gilbert's $1.4 billion J.L. Hudson's site development downtown has ended with his Bedrock LLC real estate company conceding to more community benefits for Detroit in exchange.

The Detroit City Council on Tuesday approved the 10-year abatement for the development at Woodward and East Grand River avenues on a 5-4 vote, with President Mary Sheffield and members Scott Benson, Fred Durhal III, Mary Waters and Coleman A. Young II voting for and President Pro Tem James Tate and members Latisha Johnson, Angela Whitfield-Calloway and Gabriela Santiago-Romero voting against.

[Satiricalivory]

Good

[Atticus]

Good

Agreed. There will be many who will complain about this, but honestly, this is about as good of a return-on-investment as you can get with tax dollars these days. Kudos to the council members who made the right choice and voted yes, even if the optics aren’t great.