Welcome To Trump World

[oladub]

This is a lie. I stopped reading right there. If you post obvious lies, one can comfortably assume you're trolling.

70% of undocumented Americans arrived via tourist visa. Melania was working under tourist visa, and was an illegal. Trump's construction workers came illegally, under tourist visas. Trump's housekeepers came illegally under tourist visas.

Trump doesn't support any changes to tourist visas, so is obviously a fraud who doesn't give a damn about illegal immigration outside of using the issue to feed his racist base.

Maybe it would do you some good to read. For instance, a 2017 study by the Center of Migration Studies, a non-partisan think tank according to a 2017 study by the Center for Migration Studies, a nonpartisan think tank, according to Politifact, reported that

"estimated visa overstays in 2014 accounted for 42 percent of the total undocumented population, or about 4.5 million people. It also projected that overstays made up about two-thirds of the total number of people who became unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. that year." Perhaps you are confusing Canadians who overstay their visas a couple of day with illegals who cross the Mexican border and stay indefinitely. Politifact rounded out 42% to "almost 50%" to better fit its narrative. I'm not making that up. It's in the Politifact article.

Maybe you could cite your 70% figure not using 2006 statistics. I don't mean to take away from your time. You must be furiously writing to Democratic representatives demanding that they prevent any further illegal aliens from doing what you claim Melania did. You could source any court case convicting Melania of being illegal while you are at it.

Also, please note that you wrote "Undocumented Americans." American means American [[U. S) citizen. I think you mean "Illegal aliens". According to Chuck Schumer in 2009, the correct term is "Illegal alien"."People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens".​ According to the Justice Department in 2017, "If the lawfulness of an alien’s status is uncertain, they are required to use a reference to his country of citizenship. For instance, if he is from Canada, they are supposed to refer to him as “a Canadian citizen.” The term “undocumented” should never be used to describe illegal presence in the United States. It has no basis in the U.S. Code."

[Maof]

The ability to pose topless without blushing

Could be. But, I have a feeling Donald wrote a letter praising her extraordinary modeling abilities.

[Bham1982]

Maybe it would do you some good to read. For instance, a 2017 study by the Center of Migration Studies, a non-partisan think tank according to a 2017 study by the Center for Migration Studies, a nonpartisan think tank, according to Politifact, reported that

You're lying, again. They did no such thing.

The Center for Migration Studies reports that 70% of illegals arrived via expired visas, same as Melania. That means they arrive through legal means, overwhelmingly by plane [[or if by land they came came through authorized means) and overstayed their visas or worked illegaly while under visa [[like Melania).

http://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-visa-overstays-border-wall/

If you truly cared about illegal immigration the first two things you would do are A. Reform the visa process and B. Enforce E-Verify. Trump opposes both measures, so obviously doesn't care. He's just throwing red meat to his racist idiot base. He is the poster child for not giving a crap about illegals, given his 40 years of blatantly breaking immigration law.

[Jimaz]

The longer this immigration issue languishes the more it seems like some hyperbole intended to distract the public eye from something else. Now what would that be?

What other issues is this sleight of hand hiding?

[oladub]

You're lying, again. They did no such thing.

The Center for Migration Studies reports that 70% of illegals arrived via expired visas, same as Melania. That means they arrive through legal means, overwhelmingly by plane [[or if by land they came came through authorized means) and overstayed their visas or worked illegaly while under visa [[like Melania).

http://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-visa-overstays-border-wall/

If you truly cared about illegal immigration the first two things you would do are A. Reform the visa process and B. Enforce E-Verify. Trump opposes both measures, so obviously doesn't care. He's just throwing red meat to his racist idiot base. He is the poster child for not giving a crap about illegals, given his 40 years of blatantly breaking immigration law.

What I posted in #2326, "
"estimated visa overstays in 2014 accounted for 42 percent of the total undocumented population, or about 4.5 million people. It also projected that overstays made up about two-thirds of the total number of people who became unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. that year."


From your post's link:

• In 2014, about 4.5 million US residents, or 42 percent of the total undocumented population, were overstays.
• Overstays accounted for about two-thirds [[66 percent) of those who arrived [[i.e., joined the undocumented population) in 2014.

Um...You just repeated what I already posted. You previously stated in your post #2322 that I was l lying claiming that the vast majority of illegal aliens do not come here on a tourist visa. However, the almost identical information we both posted says that of the "undocumented population", only 42% were overstays. Again, you are confusing the illegal alien population [["undocumented" in Newspeak) which is comprised of 42% visa overstays with the 66% [[It doesn't say 70%) of immigration infractions in a given year. You ignore that visa overstays do not necessarily remain here. They include Canadians who have car breakdowns or wait out a storm to get back home. Many visa overstay violators are people who come and go but go tardily. Those who leave are part of the 66% but do not add to the 42% of illegal aliens mentioned. They are not included as illegal aliens [[42%) after returning to Canada. See how simple this is? 42% is still too high too but the overstayed visa group declined numerically 5% from 2017 to 2018 under Trump.

Trying to differentiate the percentage of illegal aliens who overstayed their visas from the percentage of immigration law violations in one year are two different things; even more different than the the federal deficit and debt. You confuse the two. Only 42%, not 70%, of illegal aliens living here overstayed their visas according to the common links we both referenced.

Your last paragraph is opinion as is your nonsense about Melania.

[Maof]

Delusional Donald.....

-- When asked if he can relate to federal workers not being able to pay their bills, he said: "I can relate and I'm sure the people who are on the receiving end will make adjustments, they always do."

https://www.politico.com/newsletters...rogress-371057

[jcole]

Delusional Donald.....

-- When asked if he can relate to federal workers not being able to pay their bills, he said: "I can relate and I'm sure the people who are on the receiving end will make adjustments, they always do."

https://www.politico.com/newsletters...rogress-371057

In other words, he just doesn't give a shit what hardships it places on gov't employees, as long as he gets his toy.

[Richard]

The ability to pose topless without blushing

What happened to a woman's individual right to her body?

Interesting enough in parts of Europe women have no problem being topless and mainstream TV is not devoid of topless women.

Go to South beach and a piece of yarn qaulfies as a bathing suit and the liberal Dems put their hopes and dreams in a porn star thinking that it would unseat Trump.

The porn industry is a multi billion business,I have heard that there are women involved in that.

So it would appear that millions of women around the world can bare their chest without blushing,besides that is a sexist outlook,if the goal is equality how come it is acceptable for a man to walk bare chested but not a woman?

I think we need to change that,in the interest of equality between men and women.

[canuck]

What happened to a woman's individual right to her body?

Interesting enough in parts of Europe women have no problem being topless and mainstream TV is not devoid of topless women.

Go to South beach and a piece of yarn qaulfies as a bathing suit and the liberal Dems put their hopes and dreams in a porn star thinking that it would unseat Trump.

The porn industry is a multi billion business,I have heard that there are women involved in that.

So it would appear that millions of women around the world can bare their chest without blushing,besides that is a sexist outlook,if the goal is equality how come it is acceptable for a man to walk bare chested but not a woman?

I think we need to change that,in the interest of equality between men and women.

OOPs!

You forgot to wedge in a little word on poison apples in your little speech there, Richard. It would have taken the edge off the mock liberalism.

[Maof]

what happened to a woman's individual right to her body?

Interesting enough in parts of europe women have no problem being topless and mainstream tv is not devoid of topless women.

Go to south beach and a piece of yarn qaulfies as a bathing suit and the liberal dems put their hopes and dreams in a porn star thinking that it would unseat trump.

The porn industry is a multi billion business,i have heard that there are women involved in that.

So it would appear that millions of women around the world can bare their chest without blushing,besides that is a sexist outlook,if the goal is equality how come it is acceptable for a man to walk bare chested but not a woman?

I think we need to change that,in the interest of equality between men and women.

......wtf!

[Maof]

In other words, he just doesn't give a shit what hardships it places on gov't employees, as long as he gets his toy.

Correctamundo

[Richard]

......wtf!

Well if you had read the quote I included in the post then you would be less confused.

The ability to pose topless without blushing,was what jcole had posted as a one liner,as a attempt of degradation towards the first lady.

I get it though,you guys are uncomfortable with other women that feel comfortable in their skin and feel that they should be limited to portraying that according to your rules and beliefs,in that context I agree with you in the wtf part.

[Richard]

OOPs!

You forgot to wedge in a little word on poison apples in your little speech there, Richard. It would have taken the edge off the mock liberalism.

I kinda view it as double standards,how one acts in one case is appalling,until it becomes beneficial to act in the same way,when it suits.

Remember I did not go to collage,nor do I live in Canada,so I kinda missed the whole liberalization indoctrination as a way of life.

I am more of a to each their own type of person,if a woman wants to bare her chest,who am I to deny her that right or think less of her.

But anyways there are more important things in life to figure out,like why do people have to stand in the middle of the isle of the supermarket in order to have a conversation on their phone while oblivious to the. world around them.

Or,why do they have plastic shopping bags that are made of recyclable plastic but yet we get fined if we put them in the recycling bin.

But to keep on topic I will add a complimentary,Trump sucks in there.

[Maof]

Well if you had read the quote I included in the post then you would be less confused.

The ability to pose topless without blushing,was what jcole had posted as a one liner,as a attempt of degradation towards the first lady.

I get it though,you guys are uncomfortable with other women that feel comfortable in their skin and feel that they should be limited to portraying that according to your rules and beliefs,in that context I agree with you in the wtf part.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1fde...itemid=4980101

[jcole]

Whatever floats your boat Richard. I know you’re the proud owner of a topless club down in Florida and actually believe that those women dancing semi naked in front of those men hooting and hollering at them and trying to shove money down there G strings are really comfortable in their skin and enjoying it and not doing it so they can feed their kids and keep a roof over their heads . So you just do you Richard

[Maof]

^Throwing shade

[Bham1982]

Um...You just repeated what I already posted. You previously stated in your post #2322 that I was l lying claiming that the vast majority of illegal aliens do not come here on a tourist visa. However, the almost identical information we both posted says that of the "undocumented population", only 42% were overstays.

You're lying, again. None of your links support your made-up figure.

For now the third time, 70% of undocumented immigrants come via tourist visa or other legal means, which is exactly what your links say, and is just what Melania did. How can you post a link and then just claim a made-up number and not expect to be called out?

Also, I noticed you're now trying to further confuse the issue by using language around all living undocumented immigrants, rather than recent arrivals. It's quite clear you aren't having reading comprehension issues but are actively seeking to mislead, as if a wall in 2019 would somehow prevent a Mexican from crossing the border in 1950.

Everyone knows that historic arrivals were more heavily weighted towards foot crossings, but that has zero to do with border security today. Not one person will be deported due to a wall, obviously; the only relevance is current migration patterns.

[Richard]

Whatever floats your boat Richard. I know you’re the proud owner of a topless club down in Florida and actually believe that those women dancing semi naked in front of those men hooting and hollering at them and trying to shove money down there G strings are really comfortable in their skin and enjoying it and not doing it so they can feed their kids and keep a roof over their heads . So you just do you Richard

It is based on logic,if your going to be hating on somebody at least be logical about it so it has meaning.

The first lady posed topless while modeling,which is a common practice so it would be a non issue to get upset about or use as a base for an attempt to discredit.

Just like saying,women dancing semi naked in front of those men hooting and hollering at them and trying to shove money down there G strings are really comfortable in their skin and enjoying it and not doing it so they can feed their kids and keep a roof over their heads .

Outside of using that as a distraction,there is no logic in its use.

It is illegal in Florida outside of the movies for men to "try to shove money in G strings" If you touch a dancer you go to jail or if the undercover miss it,you are shown the back door in a not so nice way.

If the dancer encourages or allows herself to be touched she goes to jail.

The dancers pay the house a set fee in order to dance,$40 to $100 in order to work a shift as sub contractors,they work of their own free will and are not forced into anything.

It may shock you but some actually enjoy it and a large percentage are actually lesbians.

Ever been to mardi gras in New Orleans? Women bare their chests for a set of 20c beads.

So where is the logic in trying to cut women down when they have the right to do with their body as they wish?

It is almost as illogical as continuing to claim 70% of illegals are here because of overstayed tourist visas even after being showed links where it is not the case,or even tracked.

[Bham1982]

It is almost as illogical as continuing to claim 70% of illegals are here because of overstayed tourist visas even after being showed links where it is not the case,or even tracked.

You tell 'em, Sergei! Apparently the links are being blocked by your Kremlin firewall, though. A pity.

Melania actually arrived in the U.S. by swimming the Rio Grande, true story! Trump's Polish construction workers actually pole-vaulted the border fences rather than taking a plane from Poland, believe me! His South American cleaning staff actually parasailed from Colombia to the Mexican border. I tell the biggest truths!

Everyone knows that you arrive in the U.S. illegally by flying to Mexico and then walking hundreds of miles through the desert, rather than just flying to JFK or LAX. Who the hell does that?

[Richard]

Don’t be silly,Mexico has and inforces their immigration laws,if you overstay your tourist visa there,they will hunt you down and deport you.

Oddly enough most South America countries have stricter laws and enforcement for those entering and working illegally then we do.

So what the illegals are doing here is not even allowed in their country of origin.

There is no country in the world that you can just pop in and work illegally and be protected like in this country,gee I wonder why that is?

[Bham1982]

Don’t be silly,Mexico has and inforces their immigration laws,if you overstay your tourist visa there,they will hunt you down and deport you.

Fascinating! So how do all the illegals come through Mexico, then? Asians are our biggest migrants these days, so they're stealthily swimming to Mexico to evade Mexican enforcement? Pretty impressive backstroke skills!

Not to worry, that "big, beautiful" wall will stop 'em, believe me! No Asian migrant would be stupid enough to just take a plane. Anyone who swims from China to Mexico won't be able to figure out how to use a ladder, obviously.

There is no country in the world that you can just pop in and work illegally and be protected like in this country,gee I wonder why that is?

Because Trump and the "Freedom Caucus" like it that way, and refuse any enforcement? Because if they couldn't rant about "illegals" while doing nothing, their whole cynical race-baiting strategy would fail?

[Richard]

Fascinating! So how do all the illegals come through Mexico, then? Asians are our biggest migrants these days, so they're stealthily swimming to Mexico to evade Mexican enforcement? Pretty impressive backstroke skills!

Not to worry, that "big, beautiful" wall will stop 'em, believe me! No Asian migrant would be stupid enough to just take a plane. Anyone who swims from China to Mexico won't be able to figure out how to use a ladder, obviously.



Because Trump and the "Freedom Caucus" like it that way, and refuse any enforcement? Because if they couldn't rant about "illegals" while doing nothing, their whole cynical race-baiting strategy would fail?

How do Asians come through Mexico in order to enter the United States illegally ?

The do what everybody else does,they pay the smugglers,no need to swim as you do dramaticly put it.

In fiscal 2009, 332 Chinese immigrants were caught in the Border Patrol’s Tucson sector, up from 30 the previous year, Border Patrol figures showed. And in what could be a sign of a record-breaking pace for this year, agents in the Border Patrol’s Tucson sector arrested 281 Chinese immigrants from Oct. 1 to Dec. 31, the first quarter of the current fiscal year.
The reason is simple: dollars and cents.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/us/23smuggle.html

You should be more careful in your racist behavior,you still have yourself believing in you own false narratives.

Who is your president today?

[Bham1982]

How do Asians come through Mexico in order to enter the United States illegally ?

You got me.

You should speak with your fellow cultists, who claim the wall is needed to stop illegal immigration flows, when in reality illegals overwhelmingly come by plane, and illegal immigration from Mexico has been less-than-zero for about a decade.

Who is your president today?

Putin. And Hannity, kinda. But not for long, thankfully.

[Richard]

Not sure why but even after being provided countless links by creditable sources in order prove otherwise,you still maintain your personal falsehoods.

I am guessing that if somebody told you that if you jump off a 20 story building it will hurt when you hit the ground.

They can show you pictures of people in the past that have done so and even drop a watermelon off to show you the results but you would still want to jump because in your mind it will not hurt.

Common sense dictates that planes are involved,but you are putting that into the context of the actual physical aspect of crossing the border,even after being provided with the numbers you still refuse to believe.

I get it,it is your story and you are sticking to it.

No worry’s ,in spite of it all,your president Trump still loves you as a Kinda of a fellow American.Take some solace in that.

[Bham1982]

Not sure why but even after being provided countless links by creditable sources in order prove otherwise,you still maintain your personal falsehoods.

You mean the links that confirmed that 70% of undocumented immigrants arrive via expired visa? Or the links that confirmed that illegal immigrantion via Mexico has been net-negative the last decade or so?

Or would it be the links that confirm that the wall is an idiotic waste of resources? Or perhaps the links that confirm that Melania came as an illegal, Trump mass-hires illegals, and his cultists don't care?

You see, dear Cultist, the problem is when you're drowning in falsehoods, you eventually lose track of what you're arguing against. You've long since past that sad milestone.

No worry’s ,in spite of it all,your president Trump still loves you as a Kinda of a fellow American.Take some solace in that.

And, not to worry, his cellmates will return the "love" when he's in federal prison. Gonna be a very rough 2019 for the kool-aid swilling Cult.