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[TKshreve]

The memos were provided to CNN on the condition that the vice president's physician not be named and that the memos not be published.

So it is he said she said,unnamed sources etc.

Breaking news, unnamed sources have said the sky is falling. Duck

Breaking news 3.5 million unnamed sources said Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president.

Your honor I have unnamed sources that said the president was speeding,Trump haters yell out ... give him a ticket ... while SGT Joe Friday would say "Just the facts ma'am.

Without the facts they are throwing things at the wall hopelessly wanting something to stick,replace peanut butter with unnamed sources.

CNN is a top tier news-cycling media company. It has standards that it must adhere to in regards to sources, and their credibility. Did you see what almost happened to The Washington Post when their credibility in sourcing was drawn into question during the Roy Moore saga? Here, have a look:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...=.8dad1db7c62c

The group’s efforts [Project Veritas] illustrate the lengths to which activists have gone to try to discredit media outlets for reporting on allegations from multiple women that Moore pursued them when they were teenagers and he was in his early 30s. Moore has denied that he did anything improper.

This example reinforces two major themes of importance in 21st century news reporting. First, almost every major news outlet [[and their respective reporters/journalists) still need to respect the rule of integrity in regards to their task when weighed against the urge to drop a sensationalized story that could make or break a career. Two, these institutions now need to fend off collaborated efforts by partisan, money-backed, disguised groups looking to undermine the real truth. So in this case, WaPo needed to not only get the story right, but also negate the influx of misinformation designed to skew the truth, which was politically motivated in nature. Kudos to WaPo for maintaining journalistic integrity and doing their jobs.

I've seen you use this rebuttal countless times on this board. Because a credible news agency does not reveal its anonymous sources, you are not allowed to automatically discount said story, and declare it untrue. Unless you can provide contrary, factual [[and sourced) information that refutes the original claim, no one will take your view points seriously. More so, when your cascade your assertion into mindless, misguided perversions of your claim [[as you did above) it only pushes you further from the conversation that real people are having.

It's the equivalent of: ​Because I said so, that's why.

[aj3647]

Well it's official: Trump was LYING about the Stormy Daniels payment the whole time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...c0a_story.html

New Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani went on Hannity last night and admitted that Donald Trump reimbursed Michael Cohen the $130,000 that Cohen paid to Stormy Daniels to keep her quiet. Trump's tweets this morning confirmed it right from the horse's mouth.

This, of course, directly contradicts Trump's first comments on the matter that he made a month ago in which he claimed he had "no knowledge" of the payment and had nothing to do with it. Then last week, Trump changed his story. In this iteration of the "truth", he admitted that he was aware of the deal, but had no knowledge of the "hush money" payment.

Trump's first version of events: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-0...aniels/9625396

Trump's second version of events: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...istance-555127

Now, on the third version of the story, Trump admits that not only was he aware of the deal and the hush money payment, but that he personally paid back Cohen $35,000 a month over several months out of his own personal funds to reimburse Cohen for the $130,000 payment to Daniels.

Since I don't believe Donald Trump and his legal team would tell the truth all of a sudden because it's the right thing to do, the question is, why tell the truth now? Well, the fact that Giuliani went on the most Trump-friendly program in America [[Hannity) to break this news leads me to believe that this information was going to come out one way or another [[probably because an airtight paper trail of evidence exists and there is both a civil and criminal case involving it in which that evidence would be aired as part of the discovery phase), so this is Team Trump's way of getting ahead of the story in an attempt to control the fallout.

But make no mistake, this is terrible for Trump. He has just been exposed, unequivocally, as a shameless fucking liar. He lied, over and over again, repeatedly, about this story. But those of you support him won't care about that, you've already demonstrated that. You don't care about the truth, so that's actually not a big deal for Trump, he's not going to lose any support because he lied to the American people's faces [[for the 3000th+ time). What this does do is definitively link Trump to an action that is under active criminal investigation. And it's important here to listen to Giuliani's exact phrasing in his interview. He didn't say the payment was LEGAL, he said it was "going to turn out to be perfectly legal." Giuliani is a lawyer, and he chose his phrasing very carefully. He clearly believes that this is something that will have to be decided by the FEC [[future tense), not something that is already clear cut and set in stone [[past tense).

So add YET ANOTHER potential crime to the list that Donald Trump is already under investigation for. But hey, I'm sure the fact that he's been so honest and forthright about it this whole time will play well in front of the judge when his lawyers argue that there was nothing campaign-related about Trump's lawyer buying a porn star's silence two weeks before the election with Trump's full support and financial backing.

[TKshreve]

AJ - Ouch! All those facts and sources are burning my innocent, misinformed eyes. Please, make it stop.

[Richard]

CNN is a top tier news-cycling media company. It has standards that it must adhere to in regards to sources, and their credibility. Did you see what almost happened to The Washington Post when their credibility in sourcing was drawn into question during the Roy Moore saga? Here, have a look:



This example reinforces two major themes of importance in 21st century news reporting. First, almost every major news outlet [[and their respective reporters/journalists) still need to respect the rule of integrity in regards to their task when weighed against the urge to drop a sensationalized story that could make or break a career. Two, these institutions now need to fend off collaborated efforts by partisan, money-backed, disguised groups looking to undermine the real truth. So in this case, WaPo needed to not only get the story right, but also negate the influx of misinformation designed to skew the truth, which was politically motivated in nature. Kudos to WaPo for maintaining journalistic integrity and doing their jobs.

I've seen you use this rebuttal countless times on this board. Because a credible news agency does not reveal its anonymous sources, you are not allowed to automatically discount said story, and declare it untrue. Unless you can provide contrary, factual [[and sourced) information that refutes the original claim, no one will take your view points seriously. More so, when your cascade your assertion into mindless, misguided perversions of your claim [[as you did above) it only pushes you further from the conversation that real people are having.

It's the equivalent of: ​Because I said so, that's why.

While you are quick to suggest I join the real conversations that real people are haveing you are overlooking your own bias.

You wrote CNN is the most trusted news source,but yet while useing the same search abilities that are advailable to you,here is just one of the many examples where they are clearly not.

CNN’s Brian Stelter reported early Monday evening that three journalists have resigned in the wake of a story about a Russian investment fund that the network deleted and retracted from its website.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/presidential/cnn-trump-russia-retraction-brian-stelter-20170626.html?mobi=true

There are many examples out there where all of the so called trusted news agencies have had to retract stories,the problem is when some read the stories as facts before they are retracted they have a tendency to accuse others in discussions of being wrong.

You said you had a link that proved Russian collusion but yet never have provided it,maybe it was a news article that was published but then retracted so that is why you have not produced it.

If you notice most news stories posted in the links are not actually investigated news but somebody's opinion and people take that as fact,then like in the case of CNN they add some kind of accreditation to the person submitting in order to add credence and make it more believable as fact.

News reporters are biased and they are going to print what it takes to sell papers,and like this thread the currant objecitive is to discredit the currant president with any means necessary,facts do not matter and opinions are taken as fact because it meets the agenda.

Then as usual somebody is going to try and discredit and chastise others because they believed the opinions as facts without realizing how silly it looks.

People never look at the big picture,they are so obsessed with derailing the currant president they are creating precedences that currant president or not it could come back and effect them.

As an example,tomorrow's news reads, unnamed sourses have accused John Doe of molesting a young boy.The newspaper prints It because it will grab attention and sell papers,60 days later they may say that it was proved to be false but it is to late because the damage has already been done because it would have ruined John Does life,because it would have been read as fact.

How many times have we already seen that happen,just because somebody comes on tv and tells you what you want to hear in order to pump you up in order to further the cause it does not make it a fact,it just make you a little pawn to be manlipulated.

[aj3647]

AJ - Ouch! All those facts and sources are burning my innocent, misinformed eyes. Please, make it stop.

It doesn't matter, it falls on deaf ears. The Trump Bots will believe whatever version of reality Trump tells them to believe. Good luck even getting them to admit that Trump's previous statements on the Stormy Daniels payment were outright lies. They won't. They can't.

[Maof]

Stop it Richard. He's a fu**** lair. It's getting old.

[TKshreve]

While you are quick to suggest I join the real conversations that real people are haveing you are overlooking your own bias.

You wrote CNN is the most trusted news source,but yet while useing the same search abilities that are advailable to you,here is just one of the many examples where they are clearly not.

Sorry Richie, I DID NOT write that. You did however, in a vein attempt to bend my argument to fit your debunked narrative. I wanted to stop reading right there, and I should have. But alas....

I went on to see you once again have doubled down on the "John Doe - anonymous sources - blippity bloppity" obfuscation that you are so well known for here. I suppose you are blatantly ignoring the point of my post, unable to understand it or simply being difficult in a troll-like fashion. That said, CNN is certainly more credible than the countless articles I've seen sourced to Russian Times in this thread. The three CNN reporters deserved to be fired. CNN and WaPo have proven that they care about using credible sources for factual, informative stories. The facts bear out in only looking at the sources cited in your and my posts.

BTW - If you couldn't understand the sarcasm and irony of my declaration that some vague article, somewhere on the internet, which declared Trump HAD colluded with Russia, was your responsibility to locate in order to repudiate my assertions, then I pretty much feel your are beyond help and any sense of reasoning.

Oh, and Trump lied about the Stormy saga. He's a proven liar. Time and again. Sweep that under your proverbial rug and quote me some Russian Times though.

[Maof]

It doesn't matter, it falls on deaf ears. The Trump Bots will believe whatever version of reality Trump tells them to believe. Good luck even getting them to admit that Trump's previous statements on the Stormy Daniels payment were outright lies. They won't. They can't.

Almost cult-like. Brainwashed.

[coracle]

It doesn't matter, it falls on deaf ears. The Trump Bots will believe whatever version of reality Trump tells them to believe. Good luck even getting them to admit that Trump's previous statements on the Stormy Daniels payment were outright lies. They won't. They can't.

You've got it right. Us Trump Bots don't give a shit what you think. Trump is doing a superb job, and nobody cares about totally unimportant irrelevant tittle tattle from leftie gas bags pushing the Party line of hatred and dreaming that please at last they've got something [[just anything) on him. He's enjoying yanking your chain. We all are.

Did you notice in the news today that NK is considering releasing 3 American prisoners. Obviously the result of the "Great ONE"s policy of "strategic patience".

Thank goodness Trump had the foresight to collude with the Russians. or we would have ended up with obama II.

[TKshreve]

You've got it right. Us Trump Bots don't give a shit what you think. Trump is doing a superb job, and nobody cares about totally unimportant irrelevant tittle tattle from leftie gas bags pushing the Party line of hatred and dreaming that please at last they've got something [[just anything) on him. He's enjoying yanking your chain. We all are.

Did you notice in the news today that NK is considering releasing 3 American prisoners. Obviously the result of the "Great ONE"s policy of "strategic patience".

Thank goodness Trump had the foresight to collude with the Russians. or we would have ended up with obama II.

Trump lied through his teeth to get your vote in his pocket. Once that was banked, he stopped caring about you and anyone remotely close to you. He did however keep lying to the American citizenry though. That is what is important to him. Not being held accountable to his words and actions.

I have yet to see any proof that this newfangled stance being proposed by NK has anything to do with Trump. I suppose we can expect some stretched truth and hyperbole from you to back up your claims. Or you could just lie to us. Like Trump does. To everyone.

[Richard]

Stop it Richard. He's a fu**** lair. It's getting old.

People are funny,Trump supporters did not put him there,the people that latched into two politicians with over 80 years combined expirence lost to he who had no political experience.

Think about that,and who's fault exactly was that?

Do not you think it is about time to except the fact that you guys screwed up and no matter how you try and deflect blame it still lies within your own parties.

But hey,keep obsessing with his lies,true or not it works well in keeping the minions stressed while he is dealing with the real issiues,everybody is an expert on how a president should act or do his job but yet they are not president,do not like it,run for president and replace him.

Or just pull up the big boy or girl pants and look at solutions for everybody's daily life like he does.

No wonder those kardashian people are so popular,people in this country sure love their drama.

[Richard]

Sorry Richie, I DID NOT write that. You did however, in a vein attempt to bend my argument to fit your debunked narrative. I wanted to stop reading right there, and I should have. But alas....

I went on to see you once again have doubled down on the "John Doe - anonymous sources - blippity bloppity" obfuscation that you are so well known for here. I suppose you are blatantly ignoring the point of my post, unable to understand it or simply being difficult in a troll-like fashion. That said, CNN is certainly more credible than the countless articles I've seen sourced to Russian Times in this thread. The three CNN reporters deserved to be fired. CNN and WaPo have proven that they care about using credible sources for factual, informative stories. The facts bear out in only looking at the sources cited in your and my posts.

BTW - If you couldn't understand the sarcasm and irony of my declaration that some vague article, somewhere on the internet, which declared Trump HAD colluded with Russia, was your responsibility to locate in order to repudiate my assertions, then I pretty much feel your are beyond help and any sense of reasoning.

Oh, and Trump lied about the Stormy saga. He's a proven liar. Time and again. Sweep that under your proverbial rug and quote me some Russian Times though.

There you go making stuff up to fit an agenda,you wrote ....

"CNN is a top tier news-cycling media company. It has standards that it must adhere to in regards to sources, and their credibility."


You are useing it as your counter argument,so can you please educate me as to what the legal definition of a top tier news-cycling media company is.

Can you also show me a list of the top tier media company's that would be used as a reference?

As a long shot you could claim that they are a tier one news company but as I showed you with the link they are hardly considered a tier 1,not even close.

There was nothing vague about you posting that you had proof that he colluded,you wrote it but yet provided no evidence or link to back it up,and you are questioning others leval of reasoning?

Or were you just trolling like you accused me of doing?

It is usually not wise to be throwing stones while living in a glass house.

I am not sure about the little thing about quoting from the Russian times,the link clearly reads the source as Philly.com Or is that one considered a Russian news site because it did not fit your agenda.

Lol do not like something blame it on the Russians,you would have figured that by now that is a dead end street.

You are saying Washington post and CNN have proven that they are useing credible sources,well it is what you posted anyways.

It is not hard to enter a search string of news story retractions and see that CNN and Washington post dominate the list,the only thing they have proven is that they are not a credible source.

[aj3647]

You've got it right. Us Trump Bots don't give a shit what you think. Trump is doing a superb job, and nobody cares about totally unimportant irrelevant tittle tattle from leftie gas bags pushing the Party line of hatred and dreaming that please at last they've got something [[just anything) on him. He's enjoying yanking your chain. We all are.

Did you notice in the news today that NK is considering releasing 3 American prisoners. Obviously the result of the "Great ONE"s policy of "strategic patience".

Thank goodness Trump had the foresight to collude with the Russians. or we would have ended up with obama II.

That goes both ways. I don't give a shit about those of you who worship at the altar of a morally-bankrupt liar. It says a lot about you as a person that you so idolize a guy who buys the silence of porn stars that he had affairs with and then lies about it. It tells me all I need to know about your moral compass, or shall I say "lack of."

Oh, North Korea is releasing some prisoners, eh? Just like they've eventually released literally every other American prisoner they've ever held in the last 20 years? You know they released prisoners under every previous Administration too, right?

Honestly, that's a small sacrifice for Kim compared to what Trump is about to give him: a sitting U.S. President visiting North Korea and shaking Kim's hand on his own turf while the world watches. Kim Jong Un couldn't buy that kind of PR, he's getting the President of the United States to essentially treat him as an equal on the world stage and legitimize his rule. Imagine a U.S. President doing this with Pol Pot or Mussolini or Hitler.

[Honky Tonk]

Imagine a U.S. President doing this with Pol Pot or Mussolini or Hitler.

Imagine a US President forking over millions of dollars every time some ass-clown said "Oh yeah, I'm warning you.... I've got nuclear weapons..." I wonder what that looks like to the rest of the world?

[Richard]

That goes both ways. I don't give a shit about those of you who worship at the altar of a morally-bankrupt liar. It says a lot about you as a person that you so idolize a guy who buys the silence of porn stars that he had affairs with and then lies about it. It tells me all I need to know about your moral compass, or shall I say "lack of."

Oh, North Korea is releasing some prisoners, eh? Just like they've eventually released literally every other American prisoner they've ever held in the last 20 years? You know they released prisoners under every previous Administration too, right?

Honestly, that's a small sacrifice for Kim compared to what Trump is about to give him: a sitting U.S. President visiting North Korea and shaking Kim's hand on his own turf while the world watches. Kim Jong Un couldn't buy that kind of PR, he's getting the President of the United States to essentially treat him as an equal on the world stage and legitimize his rule. Imagine a U.S. President doing this with Pol Pot or Mussolini or Hitler.

I am with you on that one,we should have just nuked them to dust and if they had sent one this way the possible loss of in excess of a hundred thousand lives snuffed out in a matter of seconds and a city laid to waste for another 100 years would have been a small price to pay in order to save the country the embarrassment of a sitting president shaking hands with him.

I guess it is difficult to comprehend a solution that allowed him to back down while saving face in order to diffuse.

People freaking out that the president was taking us into WW3 but when a solution comes up to prevent it they still find fault in the prevention.We should have just went into swapping nukes from the start then people may have had cause to whine,if they were still around.

[aj3647]

Imagine a US President forking over millions of dollars every time some ass-clown said "Oh yeah, I'm warning you.... I've got nuclear weapons..." I wonder what that looks like to the rest of the world?

When did that happen?

[oladub]

Honestly, that's a small sacrifice for Kim compared to what Trump is about to give him: a sitting U.S. President visiting North Korea and shaking Kim's hand on his own turf while the world watches. Kim Jong Un couldn't buy that kind of PR, he's getting the President of the United States to essentially treat him as an equal on the world stage and legitimize his rule. Imagine a U.S. President doing this with Pol Pot or Mussolini or Hitler.

The U.S. is richer and has more weapons but Kim and Trump are equal leaders as heads of state. For most of the world, this isn't about promoting Kim's PR vs. U. S. arrogance, S. Korea is also a player, the official end to the Korean War is a good thing, and Trump, Moon, Kim are legitimate heads of state. South Korea's Moon, not included in you comment, should have a greater say than Trump, since the U.S. has forces in S. Korea at S. Korea's pleasure. We should savor the possibility of peace breaking out on the Korean penninsula. Even Pres. Obama made an attempt or two to that end.

[Richard]

When did that happen?

Not sure how one So adept at providing links to bolster an agenda cannot use a search function.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...gh-north-korea

Between 1991 and 2015, Seoul poured at least $7 billion into Pyongyang’s coffers. The United States contributed an additional $1.3 billion in aid, and private investment from China, South Korea, and Europe likely contributed billions more.


This report to congress covers 1995 to 2008 at 1 billion.


https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RS21834.pdf



Do you really think Seoul had an extra 7 billion laying around?

[aj3647]

Do you really think Seoul had an extra 7 billion laying around?

Yes. South Korea is a wealthy developed nation with a GDP of over $1.5 trillion, which is higher than the GDP of Russia. But you think they can't afford $7 billion?

[aj3647]

Trump withdraws from the Iran nuclear deal:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...eal/index.html

War clouds are on the horizon.

[Maof]

Trump withdraws from the Iran nuclear deal:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...eal/index.html

War clouds are on the horizon.

[jcole]

Yes. South Korea is a wealthy developed nation with a GDP of over $1.5 trillion, which is higher than the GDP of Russia. But you think they can't afford $7 billion?

It's like the others have never HEARD of electronics or something

[jcole]

And I thought Pence was the one who wanted to bring about Armageddon so he can be raptured. This guy doesn't even know how to spell it.

[Richard]

Trump withdraws from the Iran nuclear deal:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...eal/index.html

War clouds are on the horizon.

Well after we are finished with WW3 in Korea,then we can jump into WW4 in Iran.

The irony though,all of those war monger presidents getting involved in everybody else's buisness,we need to stop it.

President Trump says,okay enough is enough,but because he said it It then becomes,what a jerk now it will be a war and it will be all his fault.

He really needs to try some reverse physiology,President Trump reports he is going to open the border to mass immigration,the next day millions would be forming a human chain at the border to stop it.

I remember stuffing the Shaw onto a plane in 1979 to smuggle him to the US,they only know how to do two things over there,kill everybody that they do not agree with or like and amassing as much money as they can.

You guys thought Kirkpatrick was bad imagine and entire government like that where pay to play goes all the way down to the local police chief,if you want to sell a goat,you better make sure that they get their cut,if you do not you will be the goats supper.

I say give em all nukes and leval the playing field.They wake up everyday wanting to eliminate every religion that they do not agree with,if they all push the button at the same time it will kick them back 2000 years and it will take them another 500 to get back to where they are today.

[canuck]

Well after we are finished with WW3 in Korea,then we can jump into WW4 in Iran.

The irony though,all of those war monger presidents getting involved in everybody else's buisness,we need to stop it.

President Trump says,okay enough is enough,but because he said it It then becomes,what a jerk now it will be a war and it will be all his fault.

He really needs to try some reverse physiology,President Trump reports he is going to open the border to mass immigration,the next day millions would be forming a human chain at the border to stop it.

I remember stuffing the Shaw onto a plane in 1979 to smuggle him to the US,they only know how to do two things over there,kill everybody that they do not agree with or like and amassing as much money as they can.

You guys thought Kirkpatrick was bad imagine and entire government like that where pay to play goes all the way down to the local police chief,if you want to sell a goat,you better make sure that they get their cut,if you do not you will be the goats supper.

I say give em all nukes and leval the playing field.They wake up everyday wanting to eliminate every religion that they do not agree with,if they all push the button at the same time it will kick them back 2000 years and it will take them another 500 to get back to where they are today.

Which Shaw you talkin' about? Robert Shaw, the guy who played the big Irish mobster in "The Sting"? He was a good actor. Died too soon.

Also, tell me more about reverse physiology, I'm intrigued.