Welcome To Trump World

[Richard]

Why did Hitler not attack Sweden during WW2 other then iron ore,every man,women and child was armed.

In the real world there will always be those who prey on the weak,so for President Trump to build the tallest and biggest military possible would be in the best interest of the country.

We the people can raise the argument that it is unescessary to spend the funds to build and equip that military when we have issues with inner cities,infrastructure,healthcare etc. but yet have no problem running this country into the ground by trying to raise up other countries.

A president is a figurehead and it is nice to lay the blame at thier feet instead of the reality of individual actions.

It is the responsibility of the government to protect and ensure the deterrent is effective outside of our borders ,just as it is the responsibility of Americans within the country to care and support thier fellow Americans before anybody else.

We the people are the ones failing We the people and not some guy or gal sitting in the White House.

[aj3647]

Why did Hitler not attack Sweden during WW2 other then iron ore,every man,women and child was armed.

Are you mistaking Sweden for Switzerland? What is your source for "every man, woman, and child was armed?" If you think the Wehrmacht didn't invade Sweden because they were afraid of some Swedes with bolt-action rifles, you're delusional.

Hitler didn't invade Sweden because 1) There was no reason to, the Swedes were willingly selling their iron ore to Germany and 2) The Swedes threatened to destroy their iron ore mines in the event of a German invasion. So obviously, if their only natural resource of importance to the German war effort is iron ore, it was in Germany's best interest to respect Swedish neutrality.

Don't quit your day job, your clearly not cut out to be a history teacher.

[oladub]

So Trump isn't fomenting hostilities with Iran and North Korea, essentially creating a new Cold War for the 21st Century? Hell, the psychopath even threatened to use U.S. military force against Venezuela.

You say Obama "bombed 11 countries." Since you seem to count every country that Obama launched even a single strike or operation in over the course of 8 years, I find it curious that you seem to ignore that, under 10 months of Trump, we have also "bombed" or launched military raids into Yemen, Somalia, Libya [[yes, there's that country again!) and other countries. Or do those only count when there's a Democrat in the White House?

I also like how you compare a full 8 years of Obama's Presidency to just 10 months of Trump's, as if those are equitable. How many air bases or fighter jets of sovereign nations did Obama bomb in his first 10 months in office? Care to answer that, oladub?

Let's just wait and see how many nations Trump has bombed and how many new conflicts he gets us drawn into at the four year mark. He's doing a heckuva job so far of growing the military-industrial complex and expanding our involvement in foreign conflicts while provoking new ones. Even though he ran on an isolationist platform of opposing nation-building and entanglements in foreign conflicts.

No need to create your own fake news. Once again, I did not even comment on whether or not Trump is or isn't fomenting hostilities with Iran and North Korea or Venezuela. Maybe someone else did but it wasn't me. In post #497, I wrote, "Note the word "fighting". Spending money on weapons and readiness, etc. is not fighting." Fighting is an action that kills people. Posturing, threatening, or whatever Trump is doing is not killing people. That was what Kerry/Hillary/Obama did as measured in hundreds of thousands. If you want to switch the topic to threatening noises, there was candidate Hillary, your proven murderous alternative to Trump, threatening to shoot Russian planes out of Syrian air space. Democrats apparently didn't care.

I could only find Obama to have bombed seven, not my previously stated 11 countries. Maybe that's why he won the Nobel Peace Prize. He only bombed seven countries. One difference with Trump is that he bombed Islamist extremists in Libya and Somalia. Obama instead overthrew the legitimate government of Libya. Doing so left a vacuum Islamic extremists occupied. Kerry/Obama left some space for ISIS hoping that Assad would capitulate. Instead, a million refugees occupied Europe...oops. It was Trump and Putin who killed off ISIS allowing refugees an opportunity to return. Hillary planned to bring more of her refugees here. I don't know how many bases Obama bombed in his first 10.5 months in office. I do know that that silly 'donkey' made a mess over his eight years and that Hillary promised more of same. Trump and Hillary were are choices. One was a blowhard. The other a proven murderer. I chose the candidate I considered the lesser of evils. But ok let's see how many conflicts Trump gets us into in four years. That's fair enough. We already know Kerry/Hillary/Obama's policy killed hundreds of thousands and created millions of refugees. It will be difficult to match. Obama did drop at least 26,171 bombs in 2016.

[313WX]

Maybe because none of us here live in California?

Translation:

"Corruption's OK when my team engages in it, but when the other team does it, it's not!"

[Maof]

Embarrassing.

https://twitter.com/SLandinSoCal/sta...56799017426945

[Jimaz]

The Crotch Grabber in Chief had some unkind tweets for Al Franken:

Trump’s Tweet Condemning Al Franken Assault Allegations Backfires Spectacularly

[Zacha341]

What a mess. A daily barrage as this point -- going back decades in some cases! Maybe ole' Bill Clinton can weigh in as well...... Oh wait I forgot, his was just 'shannigans'!

After all, he was so cute - that boyish smile and all.

[Honky Tonk]

What a mess. A daily barrage as this point -- going back decades in some cases! Maybe ole' Bill Clinton can weigh in as well...... Oh wait I forgot, his was just 'shannigans'!

After all, he was so cute - that boyish smile and all.

Might I remind you, he DID NOT have sex with that woman.

[GMan]

Might I remind you, he DID NOT have sex with that woman.

Yeah, I think it was that Cuban Cigar that got out of hand!

[Honky Tonk]

Yeah, I think it was that Cuban Cigar that got out of hand!

They decided to Cohiba-tat.

[Maof]

From the "leader" of the free world. Juvenile at best.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...77599034388480

[Richard]

^ looks like something for the whining thread.

[Maof]

^ looks like something for the whining thread.

Him? Yes. He won't stop.

[Jimaz]

Caught off guard by a hot mike:

"...[if we] become the party of Roy Moore and Donald Trump, we are toast," Flake said.

From the recording it can't be determined that he didn't say "We have become the party of Roy Moore and Donald Trump. We are toast."

The GOP is holding their head so high that they can't see the pants around their ankles.

[jcole]

Him? Yes. He won't stop.

Yes, and as they keep telling us, she lost. Why can't they get over it?

[Zacha341]

^^^ In part because they remain incredulous that actually Trump won.

The easy-bake-oven narrative it that only the 'deplorables' [[read white hetero sexual republican males and their obedient spouses were applicable) voted Trump when in point of fact it was varied -- it was far more complex than that.

For example, an unexpected % of women jumped the ship of 'feminist right-or-wrong loyalty', middle of the roaders voted for Trump; including indies, libertarians, a percentage of black folks, other minorities etc. Donald Trump running on the populous ticket [[inclusive of the white supremacist flotsam) and that nets a wide swath of voters.

Now having said that, many [[soup to nuts - smile) who voted for Donald Trump may be experiencing buyers remorse. Everyone wants him to ditch the 'twitter' antics! Uh, yeah got that as I'm hardly carrying his water as I precisely did not vote that direction. But I get why he won -- and the remorse.

Considering many factors [[for his win) -- not the least a weak, flawed selection from the other side, I think Trump will be a one termer ONLY.

Especially as he continually rolls back even the effective bipartisan policies set forth by Obama. Teeter vs. Totter thinking -- just because the it was from the 'other side' such as the animal trophies ban!

All conservatives are not endorsing this, as all conservatives do not think alike re. con-servation. Imagine that! I thought they did !

Trump admin. to reverse ban on elephant trophies from Africa
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-admin...ry?id=51178663

Trump puts hold on this week's decision to again allow trophies from elephant hunts in Zimbabwe
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp/2017/11/15/trophies-from-elephant-hunts-in-zimbabwe-were-banned-in-the-u-s-trump-just-reversed-that/?utm_term=.a1f041df535

[313WX]

I suggest folks get prepared for a Bernie Sanders-type of future.

While it's unfortunate it had to happen this way first, the pendulum of populism almost always swings the opposite direction. While some folks may have buyers remorse about Trump himself, the desire for radical change is still there [[and will likely heat up even more thanks to Trump being so awful).

[Zacha341]

^^^ Righto. The other extreme or a true alternative? As it stands now both [[dem vs. repub) sides repudiate even good, reasonable ideas, laws and rulings just for sake of party loyalty and reflexive opposition.

This foolishness alone makes the US, the United States of Opposition. Perhaps that will be the way of. Increasingly so...SMH....

Thus, president Trumps take on the Trophy ban which he may or may not have known about, but as his peeps check off the list... lad-dee-dah.

Anyway looks like he doing a re-take as this one along with a few other roll-backs will cost him favor on both sides!

The ivory ban removal is downright repub template-level folly. Further branding the repubs and all conservatives [[by relationship - distant or far) as perennially offish - nature and animal, big gun-hunting, hateful goons.

As if liberals, the far left and dems are solely concerned about the planet, conservation and welfare of our dwindling animal pops such as the African elephant. We need to ditch the partisan walls here!

[Richard]

I suggest folks get prepared for a Bernie Sanders-type of future.

While it's unfortunate it had to happen this way first, the pendulum of populism almost always swings the opposite direction. While some folks may have buyers remorse about Trump himself, the desire for radical change is still there [[and will likely heat up even more thanks to Trump being so awful).

What is really scary is a guy goes to the Berkley campus with two flags,an American flag and a ISIS flag.

2 hours waving the American flag with 40 negative response,F that flag,burn that flag,that flag represents capitalist pigs.

2 hours waving the ISIS flag and encouraging people to join had one negative response.

If people hate this country so much why do they not leave? Head to Russia or Korea,C130 parachute and have a nice life elsewhere.

Check out Huey Long,Mr Sanders protege.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Long

I am also thinking this country as we know it today will not exist in another 20 years.

[Zacha341]

^^^ I just laugh, we were all young once [[and not so young - smile) ala college life. This is the new, not so new trend.

Cases vary, but often this is but an example [[the flag thing) of the standard reflexive, extreme post-modern, anti-establishment default perspective interwoven in some areas of academe.

They [[the pro-ISIS students) could not take a week under that governance or the other 'bring it all down' flux formations they endorse: 'Oh were is an iPhone charger? Starbucks?'!

Much of this is ideological, not experiential. At least those who do leave experience it first hand.

Anyway, often this thinking is from their profs who while eschewing privilege and what all, comfortably accept their portion of said privilege ala that capitalist pay check. I prefer talking to people who've lived under varied cultures. They have experienced first hand, that which we romanticize.

I'm not anti-higher education but like any other paid product, buyer beware. And the price is only going up.

Berkley for example, [[per their ideological world-view) would endorse as intellectually worthy, and vetting the anti-'Merica' matrix. Those taking this to the extreme are naive to the fact that often they're sawing off the very legs of that comfortable chair they sit upon.

Yeah, I got it: The USA is hardly perfect. And student protests for example helped spear-head many civil rights policies. Got that.

But sometimes students need to talk to the people who've LIVED, SEEN and know first hand experiences and cultures they glorify. It's not all what they are hearing.

There are recent and older immigrants and exchange students out there who will tell you that we are indeed going down the very roads, they left!

What with all our discord on tolerance, inclusion et al.

But those facts would not fit the 'correct' narrative [[uh, eh -- too con-ser-VA-tive ala stuff from Fox news), so not sought or considered.

What I find most interesting is that many of the ideologies, values and culture some college students indemnify as progressive writ are in full opposition to the ISIS world-view!

A world-view [[ISIS), were for example, gays are thrown off buildings and otherwise murdered.

A world-view and social order where women's rights, not to mention third-wave level feminist views are hardly championed. How do they not see that!? Especially women?

But eyes wide-shut is preferred.

What is really scary is a guy goes to the Berkley campus with two flags, an American flag and a ISIS flag.

2 hours waving the American flag with 40 negative response, F that flag, burn that flag, that flag represents capitalist pigs.

2 hours waving the ISIS flag and encouraging people to join had one negative response.

[Richard]

They say that by the time milinials reach thier thirties which the majority are doing now,get married,buy a house and finally start making money in thier career choice they lose that whole socialist embrace.

But even at that collages have always been somewhat of a anti social breeding ground and Berkley seems to always be in the front of the pack.

They just canned another "professor" for spouting off about how he felt the Jews were such an inferior race or religion.Ones like that need a trip behind the woodshed after being fired for a bit of an attitude adjustment.

[Maof]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...ricans-n824266

Such an embarrassment.

[Zacha341]

Those self-loathing [[yet themselves privileged) types sometimes even make national news. This NY professor [[who herself probably benefited from the same nuclear family she now condemns) went as far to tweet that having a white 'nuclear' family is a form of 'white supremacy'. That's quite a broad, uh-em, yet progressive statement.

- Blasted 'white families' for having children-a form of white supremacy
- Called on whites to disinherit children-give homes away when they die

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...supremacy.html

They just canned another "professor" for spouting off about how he felt the Jews were such an inferior race or religion.

[Zacha341]

POTUS needs to apologize for that comment, whatever he feels about Warren. A racial slur is hard to square and, I certainly feel no obligation to justify it. I'm sure his supporters are squirming.

He'll probably just double-down as politicians tend to do.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...ricans-n824266

Such an embarrassment.

[oladub]

POTUS needs to apologize for that comment, whatever he feels about Warren. A racial slur is hard to square and, I certainly feel no obligation to justify it. I'm sure his supporters are squirming.

He'll probably just double-down as politicians tend to do.

I'm not particularly a Trump fan although still consider him better than the alternative whose history included creating and voting for policies that killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs and turned millions more into refugees. I'm not sure that calling a liar "Pocahontas" is a racial slur just because the liberal media tells us it is. After all, teams aren't supposed to use Indian names but Elizabeth Warren does just that. She even submitted plagiarized recipes to the Pow Wow Chow cook book. All the angst against Indian named sports teams while allowing Elizabeth Warren to portray herself as a minority seems very selective on the part of liberals. However that selectivity falls far short of calling Trump racist for outing Warren while ignoring Hillary's de facto racism resulting in millions of Arab casualties.