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[aj3647]

Jehovah's Witnesses are not intentionally sitting or kneeling as a political statement, their religion actually forbids them from doing something like that. Colin Kaepernick has stated his protest was because "he refuses to show pride in a country that oppresses black people". It seems like a rather inappropriate venue considering he was next to a line of 50 mostly black men being paid millions to play professional ball. To me it became offensive, and bordering on ridiculous when the rest of them decided to do the same.

So they make a lot of money means that they can't be subjected to police brutality or racism? Ask Michael Bennett, defensive end for the Seattle Seahawks, who was held on the ground at gunpoint by the Las Vegas police despite having committed no crime. Or black tennis pro James Blake, who was tackled and manhandled by the NYPD outside of his hotel. His crime? He "fit a description." Being rich didn't stop it from happening to those two men, now did it? These are but two examples.

[Pam]

This is all sort of bizarre. It's a football game not a veteran's funeral. Football has nothing to do with flag veneration. How did we ever get to a place where a casual playing of the Star Spangled Banner custom evolved into flag veneration ceremonies with rules of conduct? If millionaire sports figures, Hollywood actors, singers, etc. want to make social statements, that's between them and their employers, and ticket purchasers. Genuflecting is reverent and respectful anyway. If those players had wanted to insult the flag, they could have turned their backs or made finger or fist gestures. They didn't.

gen·u·flect verb [[from Google dictionary)ˈ

• lower one's body briefly by bending one knee to the ground, typically in worship or as a sign of respect.
  "she genuflected and crossed herself"

"There used to be a distinction between battle dress and what you wore the rest of the time, even during a world war. And why on earth is it necessary to fly Air Force fighter jets over the stadium before the Super Bowl? Who authorizes the spend for that? " -Jim Kunstler

aj, "Three men were shot to death and at least 36 other people were wounded in shootings across Chicago between Friday evening and Monday morning"

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-p...t-games-2015-5

The NFL reportedly accepted millions of dollars from the defense department over the course of three years in exchange for honoring troops and veterans before games,

[Jimaz]

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert:
Trump's NFL Comments Have Everything To Do With Race

[oladub]

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-p...t-games-2015-5

Paid for commercials. Good catch. Not having gone to a pro baseball game in decades, I went to a Twins game a few years ago. I was surprised to see a pregame military flag ceremony with groups of military personnel marching around. This strange display reminded me of a Camus play in which a higher percentage of police and military uniforms appear on stage as the play goes along. Controls and punishments increased proportionately on the non uniformed people on stage. Today, I read that immigrant groups were going to have their social media reviewed. We might be next.

[Honky Tonk]

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-p...t-games-2015-5

Let's change that headline around to reflect the truth, shall we? Probably more like the nfl demanded to be paid millions of dollars to honor the troops.

[Pam]

Let's change that headline around to reflect the truth, shall we? Probably more like the nfl demanded to be paid millions of dollars to honor the troops.

Did you see this part?

The military has defended the funding it provides to the NFL, stating that it is an effective recruitment tool for soldiers.

[Honky Tonk]

Did you see this part?

Ok, I'll give you that, Pam. I had a chance to indirectly deal with the nfl for stupidbowl 2xl. They were so self-centered and full of themselves that it left me scarred for life. Another example of a multi-billion, non-tax paying organization, looking for hand outs.

[aj3647]

aj, "Three men were shot to death and at least 36 other people were wounded in shootings across Chicago between Friday evening and Monday morning"

I saw that too, because I looked it up when Richard lied and said "125 people were shot in Chicago this weekend." I'm no math major, but I'm fairly certain that 39 does not equal 125.

39 people shot is lot, for sure. A grossly unacceptable number by any measure. But that doesn't mean that Richard can multiple it by more than 3 and pass that statistic off as a fact. You easily found the statistic, as did I, since it was readily publicly available for anyone who bothered to do a ten-second google search. He could have easily made his point without resorting to lies.

[Richard]

I saw that too, because I looked it up when Richard lied and said "125 people were shot in Chicago this weekend." I'm no math major, but I'm fairly certain that 39 does not equal 125.

39 people shot is lot, for sure. A grossly unacceptable number by any measure. But that doesn't mean that Richard can multiple it by more than 3 and pass that statistic off as a fact. You easily found the statistic, as did I, since it was readily publicly available for anyone who bothered to do a ten-second google search. He could have easily made his point without resorting to lies.

Maybe go back and read my post and quote out where I actualy said This weekend before you actually accuse people of lying.

I will wait.

Bending the knee was to portray aligence to the king or queen,maybe he was doing that to show his support to the currant president?

In 2016 1000 shootings in the first four monthes,Chicago alone,nobody took the knee or cared.

What would have happened if 1000 whites shot 1000 blacks in the same frame of time?

Those 1000 did not care about what happened 150 years ago they cared about what happened that day,why take the knee and ignore what is going on today and strive to make it a better place instead of picking and choosing.

Where was he in 2014,2015,2016 ? Did he not care then?

[aj3647]

Maybe go back and read my post and quote out where I actualy said This weekend before you actually accuse people of lying.

You said "125 people were shot while they were kneeling" which would be even LESS accurate. I was being generous by giving you the entire weekend, instead of just Sunday.

I googled "125 people shot Chicago" and nothing came up that cited that number, so I guess it will remain a mystery what time frame you are referring to with that number or even where you got it from.


As for the tired bullshit argument that black people can't protest police brutality until all black-on-black violence has been solved:

1) Believe it or not, people can care about BOTH.
2) There's a pretty large fundamental difference between being murdered by a common criminal and being murdered by an agent of the state who has absolute power and authority over you that you are legally obligated to submit to and whose salary is paid with your tax dollars.
3) Black people who commit murder go to prison for life...or worse. Police officers who commit murder get paid administrative leave and almost always avoid prison time. Most go right back to their jobs. That's what people like Colin Kaepernick are protesting against.

[Richard]

You do not get a pass on calling somebody a liar in a public forum because you were confused,how long has he been kneeling and how many were killed or shot during that process.

You specifically put your words into my post then called me a liar based on your injection.Be a man and do the right thing and apologize.

46% of football and the stadiums are taxpayer funded,is BLM taxpayer funded?

Why are the football leagues eccepting taxpayer funding for a political or personal addenda.

Remove the public taxpayer funding aspect and fine they can take the knee all they want as they have the right to,otherwise open taxpayer funding to all or any group that wishes to protest,otherwise you are oppressing those with different views then yours or protesting the exact same thing you are partaking in.

Use the same public funding of hundreds of millions per city to actually improve the daily life of the oppressed.

That is the irony though by demanding hundreds of millions of dollars for salaries they are actually creating oppression and being a part of it,so once again what is the gain,and who benefits from it.

If a player said,I will forgo my multi million dollar salary if it is used to directly improve a inner city school,provide a better education or after school program for inner city youth,provide skills training for inner city youth so they can have a future outside of gangs.

I would have much respect for them at that time.

But that will not happen because they like the hundreds of millions in paycheck subsidies so they can live well,because that is who it really about them and them only.

[clubboss]

Guess the bromance is over

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[Maof]

Guess the bromance is over

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@PresidentBannon<<<<God help us all.

[jcole]

^^^^^ Not the real Bannon acct. His is @SteveKBannon; but I love the thought

[aj3647]

Congress is now looking into the travel habits of several Trump cabinet officials for use of expensive private luxury jets [[on the taxpayers dime) or using government aircraft for purely personal use.

HHS Secretary Tom Price, in just 8 months, has racked up over $400,000 on private jet use. Yesterday he apologized for it and promised to reimburse the government for ~$52,000 of that cost. The remaining 87% of that bill, which covered the cost of Price's staff and aides to fly with him, will be paid by the taxpayer.

Also under the microscope are Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin [[who took a military plane to go on his honeymoon and used another government plane so he and his wife could view the eclipse), and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke and EPA Administration Scott Pruitt, who have both spent tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars to repeatedly fly back to their home states for rather dubious "official" reasons. The Republican-led House Oversight Committee is now investigating.

Swamp drained, huh?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-travel-report

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b186704085d1

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house...ry?id=50127619

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...928-story.html

[jcole]

I did not know this about 45:

1984 - As an investor in the United States Football League, Trump not only bought the New Jersey Generals franchise, but pushed the league hard to adopt a fall schedule and go head-to-head with the NFL. Trump also led an owners group in an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL, seeking $1.7 billion. His group won the suit, but was only awarded $1, which was a death sentence for the league.

No wonder he's got the tweet machine cranked to warp speed about the NFL and how it's "going to hell". Typical grudge he's a past master at.
http://fortune.com/2017/09/25/donald-trump-attack-nfl/

[Maof]

Ding, ding, ding...looks like Price is gone too. News reports are saying that he spent closer to $1,000,000. on his "business" travel.

[Maof]

DT stating on his twitter account about "poor leadership" of the Mayor of San Juan and other's in PR "can't get their worker's to help" and "they want everything done for them". Well, Donald, I've heard that people are burying family members in their own back yards.

[Richard]

Yes President Trump caused the hurricane and it is all his fault.

You have a island comprised of different independent sectors located in a hurricane zone that had no emergency plan.

That is poor leadership.

Thousands of containers sitting on the docks because the trucking union said nothing moves until they know how they are getting paid and if anybody moves a truck there will be repercussions.

That is poor leadership.

The island was hit back to back by 2 cat 4 hurricanes and it is President Trumps fault because nobody has power,Key West still has little power,Houston still is devastated but you do not here them blaming the president.

FEMA does a cost share in disaster relief in the states,Florida and other states have a hurricane fund in reserve and a back up funding source.

Florida used to use Warren Buffet as an emergency funding source.

President Trump waived the cost share for PR which will be in the billions.

The next day the US military was boots on the ground but strangled because there was zero command and control in place locally.

It takes a week to get a ship there but no ports to dock.

The US provided radar systems and cleared debris to get the airport up and running.

The US provided and airlifted generators to get the hospitals up and running.

Millions of bottled water,millions of MRE,and was doing air drops until they were hoarded and not dispersed.

The roads were impassable and even at that armed security was needed to deliver.

The Federal government cannot just come in and take over,they are there to help as directed by the governor if the local government is not organized then command and control has to be established from the start.

The logistics of moving the military,FEMA,and everything and everybody else across the ocean is massive.

Search and rescue was there the next day.

In a national disaster the only person that you can count on in the first 72 hours is yourself and nobody else and that is what you have to prepare for.

This has turned into a soapbox for Trump haters because they are to lazy to go to YouTube and see the videos and prefer to believe the fake reports.

The only people that are costing lives is the US mainland media pushing an agenda.

PR is a mirror of every US mainland city that expirenced white flight in the 50s and 60s,the last 20 years Most with the means and even those who could barely afford a plane ticket left.

There was a military base there but they kicked that out.

There is a whole list of policies that caused a lot of things over there to go wrong and President Trump was not even around to create them.

There are a lot of people over there extremely grateful and appreciative of the US response and there are a lot of expats over here stateside that are useing this as a soapbox against the President.

Kinda ironic,you leave a country to rot that you profess your love for and then chastise the people that are actually helping the ones and country that you abandoned.

Not all just a vocal few and media that like to throw their people under the bus in order to show their displeasure of the currant president.

Yes,there was a report of somebody burying thier loved one in the yard,people die every day,somebody dies and there is no place to take them it is 90 degrees out and no way to preserve the body,what else are you going to do?

Not sure how it was actually reported because at the time there was no phone service or connection between the different sectors,so unless there were carrier pigeons it would be hard to communicate.

The military airdropped sat phones afterwards so people could contact loved ones and give situation reports,but they kinda disappeared.

President Trumps tweet was directed towards the assholes running their mouths instead of being a part of the solution.

[Maof]

Richard - did not get past your first paragraph. Not going to go back and forth on it either. You cannot justify what he said.

[Richard]

But of course,because it is Trump.

Simple solution,pull back all resources and support,sense they are supposedly not being provided they will not be missed. Right?

Forget about the mayor standing in front of pallets of food and water crying about no support from the mainland,I guess genie just twinkled her nose and made it appear.

Forget about her plan to run for governor next year and jumps on the bandwagon of anti Trump to further her cause at the expense her people.

It is her and her Cuba backed socialist party trying to cause division when now is the time for everybody pulling together and save the politics for afterwards.

It is a independent run country that tells stateside to piss off when it comes to their business and how they run the country but when it all goes to crap it is President Trumps fault.

His words ring true when applied to who it was directed at.

[jcole]

Puerto Rico and the USVI are part of America. They are citizens. They deserve rescue efforts the same as Texas and Florida. That is all there is to it.
I guess if someone had told him that pharmaceutical manufacturing represented 72% of Puerto Rico’s exports in 2016 [[$14.5 billion), and the sector accounted for 25% of the total of U.S. pharmaceutical exports to the rest of the world AND is home to the only American factory making Viagra, he might have moved a little faster.

I doubt he even realized they were and American territory and American Citizens until a day or two ago, if, indeed he realizes it now

[Jimaz]

He's the ex-professional wrestling promoter in chief, for crying out loud.

What more needs to be said?

Looking for common ground, doesn't everyone agree that he'll go down in history as the least respected president in history? That seems to fit the narrative of both his detractors and his proponents.

George W. Bush can sigh with relief, heh?

Republicans are getting more fidgety though.

[Richard]

Puerto Rico and the USVI are part of America. They are citizens. They deserve rescue efforts the same as Texas and Florida. That is all there is to it.
I guess if someone had told him that pharmaceutical manufacturing represented 72% of Puerto Rico’s exports in 2016 [[$14.5 billion), and the sector accounted for 25% of the total of U.S. pharmaceutical exports to the rest of the world AND is home to the only American factory making Viagra, he might have moved a little faster.

I doubt he even realized they were and American territory and American Citizens until a day or two ago, if, indeed he realizes it now

I agree that they deserve the same help as all Americans do,but people do not understand the metrics of it and just base displeasure.

It is not a state and the military cannot go in and take control,neither can FEMA.

Just like in the US mainland each state has to request their assistance and have a plan in place to utilize it to take advantage of it.

If you have no plan or course of action and want them to take over then you have to give up command and control,nobody is going to do that.

The San Juan mayor cannot even take control of the local port authority to deliver the goods but yet demands that the US mainland come over and take control.

Is she asking the US military and FEMA to help through the use of force,as in armed response.

A power pole is down,so now you have to ship a power pole,the crew to install it,the equipment to dig the hole,the equipment to set the pole,the fuel to run the equipment,the food to feed the installers,a place for the installers to sleep,the extra parts in case the trucks or equipment breaks down.

Throw all of that into a ship and cover 1000 miles of open ocean at 15 knots.

But first you need to clear the roads,so then you need heavy equipment,more fuel,more personal etc.

I can almost bet that even before winter the city of Detroit has a emergency snow removal plan in place,and if they do not they will catch hell for not having it in place before hand.Because it snows and the risk is there.

[Maof]

Richard, we all get the logistic's but, you have a 70 year old man sitting in the white house attacking the situation via twitter. He does it consistently. The guy cannot take any criticism without shooting back like a 13 year old. Do you not agree that he should respond, in ANY situation, with some sort of maturity and grace? Many past president's have done so, on both sides. Guess he didn't get the memo. He's like the one friend that likes to hear themselves talk and you avoid them at all cost.