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[Richard]

^ you keep useing the word “Dotard” Which was dusted off by Kim Jong Un,did Putin kick you out so you had to find a new sponsor?

You like to keep throwing these words out there like lies,dotard etc while actually mimicking what you are accusing others of,is there some kind of reasoning behind that?

아니면 당신이 돈을받는 것입니까?

[Bham1982]

^ you keep useing the word “Dotard” Which was dusted off by Kim Jong Un,did Putin kick you out so you had to find a new sponsor?

Yes, the "I know you are but what am I" argument is quite compelling. Very effective to use 2nd grade playground witticisms. Undoutedly Dotard will whip out the brilliant "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense when facing federal prison.

You like to keep throwing these words out there like lies,dotard etc while actually mimicking what you are accusing others of,is there some kind of reasoning behind that?

Yes, your beliefs are typical in Cult situations. Projection, blind devotion, fear of others, rejection of reality and inability to understand basic logic. Will be a tough year for you.

[Honky Tonk]

Yes, the "I know you are but what am I" argument is quite compelling. Very effective to use 2nd grade playground witticisms. Undoutedly Dotard will whip out the brilliant "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense when facing federal prison.



Yes, your beliefs are typical in Cult situations. Projection, blind devotion, fear of others, rejection of reality and inability to understand basic logic. Will be a tough year for you.

Speaking of "cult", Bham, you've been whining and posting deplorable name calling remarks for what, 3 years now? You see Trump voters in parking lots, in stores, around corners, maybe even under your bed. If that isn't obsessive cultist behavior then I'm not sure what is. Could be a manifestation of something deeper. Maybe you could do a guest spot on Dr. Phil?

[Bham1982]

Speaking of "cult", Bham, you've been whining and posting deplorable name calling remarks for what, 3 years now?

Projecting much? Yes, I have no doubt you're quite concerned with "name-calling" hence your rabid allegiance to the 24-7 juvenile name-caller soiling the WH.

You see Trump voters in parking lots, in stores, around corners, maybe even under your bed. If that isn't obsessive cultist behavior then I'm not sure what is.

Um, that would be the latter. Recognizing someone in a parking lot as voting for a particular candidate has zero to do with anything.

[oladub]

Then your comment is absurd and irrelevant. You're arguing that a wall is necessary today to prevent someone from crossing illegally in 1950. Earth to Moscow: it's 2019. In 2019, 70% of illegals come by tourist visa. The fact that illegals tended to cross by foot in 1950 has zero relevance to the idiotic "Wall" unless it comes complete with a time machine.

We went through this already. 67%, not 70%, of annual immigration violators are people who overstay their visas. There is a qualitative difference between Canadians, the largest group, who get back to the Canadian border a few days late for a variety of reasons and the 100,000 per month crossing the southwest border illegally with intentions of staying. Repeat: Of illegal aliens actually here, only 42% overstayed their visas. Both problems need to be addressed. Trump is trying to address one of those problems in the budget. Vacationing Democrats just wasted $3-6B shutting the government down instead of negotiation and compromising on that one point.

-The number of immigrants from Central America [[legal and illegal) has grown 28-fold since 1970, from 118,000 to nearly 3.3 million in 2018 — six times faster than the overall immigrant population.In 2018, 87 percent of Central American immigrants came from three countries — El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. El Salvador is the largest sending country from the region, with 1.4 million immigrants in the United States, a 112-fold increase since 1970. Based on prior estimates by the Department of Homeland Security, slightly more than half of El Salvadorans are in the country illegally, as are about two-thirds of Guatemalans and Hondurans.

More absurd Trump cult lies. Economists of all stripes find that immigrants are a strong net economic positive, which is why the most immigrant-heavy parts of the country [[the coastal metros) are the richest and most economically dynamic. Part of the reason Michigan is such a basketcase is too few immigrants. Silicon Valley, NYC, Southern CA and the like are the richest places on the planet specifically because they attract masses of immigrants.

You are switching the topic from illegal immigration to legal immigration. Only 47% of Central American illegal aliens have high school degrees. "Welfare use is very high for all three top-sending countries from the region. Of households headed by El Salvadoran immigrants, 60 percent use at least one major welfare program; the figure is 59 percent for Guatemalans and 52 percent for Hondurans. Overall, Central American households' use of cash welfare is similar to that of native households, but the share of Central American households receiving some type of food assistance is 2.5 times that of natives — 36 percent vs. 14 percent. The share of Central American households with at least one person on Medicaid is more than double that of native households — 45 percent vs. 20 percent"

Legal immigrants, on the other hand are more likely to come from east and south Asia with computer degrees and wind up in places like the Silicon Valley. You need to apply screens of legality and education before your gibberish makes sense. While native and legal immgrant Silicon Valley millennials can afford cheap foreign landscapers, it does produce vast disparities of income.

Fine with me. When is Melania being deported?

Whenever a court decides that Melania is an illegal alien and not a citizen as you claim.

Except Democrats aren't demonizing immigrants and claiming they all need to be deported. The burden is obviously on those making outlandish claims.

Trump is trying to prevent more illegal aliens from getting in, trying to carry out naturalization laws requiring illegal aliens to be sent home, and supports legal immigration. You are having trouble with that legal/illegal thingy.

If you're asking "what have Democrats have done to reform immigration" you're living in a bunker. Democrats [[and moderate Republicans) have advanced the same immigration reform package for a decade now, only to be stonewalled by the "Freedom Caucus" [[and now Trump). In fact immigration reform was Obamas #2 priority [[after health care reform) and he has repeatedly stated that the blockage of immigration reform was his biggest disappointment. Bush II also tried immigration reform, only to be blocked by the crazies.

Do tell. What specific things are Democrats proposing to secure the southwest border? Your illegal alien workforce will undercut unskilled American workers' wages. What are you proposing to do to help unskilled American workers the next time we have a recession combined with continued robotization and computerization eliminating unskilled jobs? Hint: allowing 100,000 illegal aliens to attempt sneaking in illegally every month until then won't help unskilled American workers.

[rb336]

Honky Tonk, this post exposes that you don't have a clue what a cult is. Look it up. Do some reading other than POSOTUS tweets.

Speaking of "cult", Bham, you've been whining and posting deplorable name calling remarks for what, 3 years now? You see Trump voters in parking lots, in stores, around corners, maybe even under your bed. If that isn't obsessive cultist behavior then I'm not sure what is. Could be a manifestation of something deeper. Maybe you could do a guest spot on Dr. Phil?

[Bham1982]

We went through this already. 67%, not 70%, of annual immigration violators are people who overstay their visas. There is a qualitative difference between Canadians, the largest group, who get back to the Canadian border a few days late for a variety of reasons and the 100,000 per month crossing the southwest border illegally with intentions of staying.

Not gonna address all the rank idiocy because it's just cut-paste Breitbart lies from before, except the new "gem" that Canadians are actually the biggest illegals. LOL! So when is the Great Canadian Wall coming?

Also like the moronic "blame the Democrats for taking a vacation" when they weren't even in power when Trump shut down the govt. per Sean Hannity's orders.

You are switching the topic from illegal immigration to legal immigration. Only 47% of Central American illegal aliens have high school degrees.

No, it's the exact same topic. We're talking immigration. Whether or not someone has legal papers has no bearing on whether or not they're a net economic benefit.

You think Melania was a net drain on society when she was working on tourist visa and a net gain once she fraudulently applied for legal status? LOL. If you believed this, then the simple solution is a path to legalization, yet you oppose this. Gee, I wonder why?

Legal immigrants, on the other hand are more likely to come from east and south Asia with computer degrees and wind up in places like the Silicon Valley. You need to apply screens of legality and education before your gibberish makes sense.

You're lying, yet again. To repeat- immigrants, regardless of residency status, are a net economic gain. There are tons of IT illegals in Silicon Valley, many times more than in Michigan, and it has zero bearing on whether or not they're economically productive. NYC, the richest metro on earth, has tons of high earning illegals from Asia and barely any are from Mexico.

Whenever a court decides that Melania is an illegal alien and not a citizen as you claim.

Except you're the one making the outrageous claim that all illegals should be deported. Melania was an illegal and you claim to wish to deport illegals, so have at it.

Trump is trying to prevent more illegal aliens from getting in,

Then why is he blabbing on about a wall, which does nothing and has zero chance of happening? Why does he refuse to enforce E-Verify or reform tourist visas? Why is he married to an illegal? Why does he mass-hire illegals? Why does he have a 40 year history of seeking out illegal labor? Sounds like you're being conned.

trying to carry out naturalization laws requiring illegal aliens to be sent home,

When is Melania going home? When are Trump's employees going home?

and supports legal immigration.

That's why he hires and marries illegals?

You are having trouble with that legal/illegal thingy.

LOL! A Trump cultist lecturing others on following immigration laws! Trump just got caught last week mass-hiring illegals cleaning at his country clubs and you're claiming that everyone else has the problem.

You're like a raging drunk telling others to abstain! Maybe you'll next tell us to not consort with the Kremlin and not "grab em in the p----".

Do tell. What specific things are Democrats proposing to secure the southwest border?

It's already secure. One of the most secure borders on earth, and no elected official on the border supports the idiotic Wall.

Your illegal alien workforce will undercut unskilled American workers' wages.

Except wages are highest in the biggest immigrant centers, illegal immigrant counts are plummeting, and there's zero evidence immigrants cut wages.

What are you proposing to do to help unskilled American workers the next time we have a recession combined with continued robotization and computerization eliminating unskilled jobs?

Maybe they should get an education and stop voting for Russian troll racists? That would be a start. Immigrants are kicking their asses. They're smarter, harder working and all-around better Americans.

Hint: allowing 100,000 illegal aliens to attempt sneaking in illegally every month until then won't help unskilled American workers.

Good thing net illegal crossings are net zero then. You can thank Clinton, Bush II and Obama for actually fixing the issue. Oh wait, you would never do that. Gotta keep hating on the brown folks; keep the sheeple distracted while Dear Leader is on a fast track to removal and federal prison.

[Honky Tonk]

Honky Tonk, this post exposes that you don't have a clue what a cult is. Look it up. Do some reading other than POSOTUS tweets.

Speaking of not having a clue, your post more than qualifies. You shouldn't expose yourself during these frigid conditions. Maybe Hillary will make you a hot cocoa, with marshmallows.

[Bham1982]

Speaking of not having a clue, your post more than qualifies. You shouldn't expose yourself during these frigid conditions. Maybe Hillary will make you a hot cocoa, with marshmallows.

All together now, desperately diverting cultists: "But what about Hillary!"

[Richard]

All together now, desperately diverting cultists: "But what about Hillary!"

Is that kinda like repeating,the Russians did it ?

[Bham1982]

Is that kinda like repeating,the Russians did it ?

Russian trolls do love their Whataboutism, don't they?

The Russians indeed did hack our election, and desperate cries of "butwhatabout" random retired/irrelevant politicans will have no impact on your Dear Leader's forthcoming exit.

But feel free to "but whatabout Napolean/Frederick the Great/Caesar Augustus!" as your Cult leader meets justice.

[Honky Tonk]

Russian trolls do love their Whataboutism, don't they?

The Russians indeed did hack our election, and desperate cries of "butwhatabout" random retired/irrelevant politicans will have no impact on your Dear Leader's forthcoming exit.

But feel free to "but whatabout Napolean/Frederick the Great/Caesar Augustus!" as your Cult leader meets justice.

Seriously rb336, you're defending this guy? Even the site owner gave him what for on another thread.

[Bham1982]

Seriously rb336, you're defending this guy? Even the site owner gave him what for on another thread.

The DYes "site owner" is a Trump superfan who likes mindlessly parroting alt-right memes like "But whatabout...[[anything to divert the subject from Trump's impending fall)"?

The things one "learns" on this thread. But whatabout the Doge of Venice? Whatabout Alexander the Great? Why is no one talking about them instead of this nothingburger criminal Trump conspiring with Putin nonsense?

[Zacha341]

This is boiling down a hot-mess of accusation......

[Richard]

Lmao,that pot boiled over on day one,but then again it was never really about Trump actually directly colluding with Putin as charged.

Border patrol is having to force feed 6 border jumpers because they are on a hunger strike.

It is just what passes as normality and thought processes and seems contagious,we left our country because we were poor and starving,so let us in or we will have a hunger strike until you do.

There should really not even be a debate about a wall,the debate would lay within what complements the enforcement of the wall,like maybe a mine field,remote laser zappers,electrified wall,on that part the debates could be endless.

A lot of this reminds me of when my kids were young and tried the whole temper tantrum route when they did not get their way.

[oladub]

Bham, re post 2582, I provided my sources on previous posts. Look them up instead of imagining stuff. House Democrats are in power. They shut government down, wasted billion$, and took vacations instead of negotiating and compromising during the shutdown. All that is in the news.

"Whether or not someone has legal papers has no bearing on whether or not they're a net economic benefit." Really, do you actually believe that computer guys from India and research scientists from China have the same economic benefit as people lacking high school education from anywhere and need as many welfare benefits or pay the same taxes, if any? Really?

You said that Melania was an illegal alien. You should report her to ICE. Maybe someone will finally take you to the funny farm.

If Trump is responsible for knowingly hiring illegal aliens, you should be supporting any effort he is making to make it impossible for even his employees to do so. Vote for Democrats and Trump's businesses will probably continue hiring illegal aliens. By the way, what efforts or bills do Democrats have to mandate e-verify or do anything that would significantly reduce illegal immigration? Democratic politicians don't have payroll problems because they tend to have done community service gigs and are lawyers instead of running businesses.

Your funniest line was "It's already secure." 100,000 illegal aliens are trying to invade our country monthly, 46% succeed, and you consider that "secure". That says a lot about you.

I just showed you figures for vastly increased numbers of Central Americans coming across the southwest border from Central America but you must have missed that. Instead, you came up with "Russian troll racists'. I liked that. It was a new term combining racism with Russian trolls. Very original!

Increasing the labor supply does reduce the cost of labor.

Then you declared that "They're smarter, harder working and all-around better Americans". Did you mean "than Americans". I'm American. I resent that. I wouldn't want you on my team if you consider Americans are inferior or despicable.

Anyone who hated "brown folks" had the opportunity to vote for Kerry, Obama, and Hillary whose policies resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead Arabs [["brown folks" in identity politics lingo) and millions of refugees. Under Obama, black wages, wealth and home ownership rates declined relative to those of whites. If Klan members weren't so dopey, they would have helped Obama get reelected in 2012.

[Richard]

The whole illegals work for cheaper is a crock,as it stands now ask an illegal how much they want for for a day of unskilled manual labor and it will be $100,ask an African American and it will be $50.

even illegals know the labor laws and going rates,the days of cheap labor and 18 hour days for the same pay rate went out of the window 10 years ago.

[Honky Tonk]

A lot of this reminds me of when my kids were young and tried the whole temper tantrum route when they did not get their way.

Maybe Bham will hold his breathe until Trump resigns.

[Zacha341]

^^^ And when Trump resigns we have Pence!

[Richard]

And what happens if he gets re-elected ?

Even in the midst of a government shutdown in January over 300,000 jobs were added,not very common.

[Honky Tonk]

And what happens if he gets re-elected ?

Even in the midst of a government shutdown in January over 300,000 jobs were added,not very common.

Gee, Someone still hating after that would be almost cult-like, no?

[Honky Tonk]

^^^ And when Trump resigns we have Pence!

Pence makes me tense.

[canuck]

Pence makes me tense.

Chump makes me dump.

[Richard]

^ And here I thought to-doe made you regular?

[Maof]

^^^ And when Trump resigns we have Pence!

yeah, no need to have someone that believes in "praying the gay away"