Welcome To Trump World

[oladub]

Except there's no such thing.

There's Trump and his Cult screaming for a wall, to distract from his impending removal, and everyone else laughing.

Nancy Pelosi has nothing to do with anything. The shutdown preceded her, and the moronic "Wall" has zero support in either party.

You're right about Nancy having had nothing to do with anything related to negotiation and compromise. I thought that it was important that she is now talking about "Normandy see through fences". That could suggest a mid way compromise between doing nothing about securing the border and building Trump's wall.

Democrats have even offered to build billion dollar ice breakers toward Trump's goal of spending $5.7B to secure our borders. I didn't make that up.

[Bham1982]

You're right about Nancy having had nothing to do with anything related to negotiation and compromise.

Thank you. Glad we agree. There is no sane Republican or Democrat who will ever agree to an epically moronic Berlin Wall on our Southern border, so Dotard and his crazed cultists will just have to scream in their soiled diapers till the orange idiot is removed.

[oladub]

Thank you. Glad we agree. There is no sane Republican or Democrat who will ever agree to an epically moronic Berlin Wall on our Southern border, so Dotard and his crazed cultists will just have to scream in their soiled diapers till the orange idiot is removed.

We probably don't agree very much. I'm fine with and would prefer spending on an Israeli quality border fence at half the price of Trump's proposed wall but we don't know how much money Nancy intends to spend on her mentioned "Normandy see-through fence" or what she is referencing. The massive spending she recommends for subsidizing lawyers and illegal aliens who cross an unfenced border [[see post 2623), sending money to the leaders of the countries they left, and building icebreakers will, however, probably do little to dissuade illegal crossings across the southwest border. It will probably encourage more to come. Subsidies increase whatever is being subsidized. So how much I agree with you about fencing depends on what sort of Normandy fence Nancy wants and how much she is willing to spend on it.

[oladub]

Nancy Pelosi's actions built up anticipation for Trumps SOTU speech resulting in the largest ever SOTU audience ever. I disagreed with Trump's Venezuela policy but Democrats fell into a trap. When Trump brought up recent Democratic expanded third trimester abortion initiatives, our modern day suffragettes frowned and looked angered while Schumer chuckled at Trump's criticism of killing near term babies. Those white outfits made them look even weirder maybe having substituted babies for casks of demon liquor. The result was up to a 76% approval rate for Trump's speech including strong support from independent voters. This is what happens when the establishment's press loses control and cannot filter every word and action of the President.

[Canadian Visitor]

Nancy Pelosi's actions built up anticipation for Trumps SOTU speech resulting in the largest ever SOTU audience ever. I disagreed with Trump's Venezuela policy but Democrats fell into a trap. When Trump brought up recent Democratic expanded third trimester abortion initiatives, our modern day suffragettes frowned and looked angered while Schumer chuckled at Trump's criticism of killing near term babies. Those white outfits made them look even weirder maybe having substituted babies for casks of demon liquor. The result was up to a 76% approval rate for Trump's speech including strong support from independent voters. This is what happens when the establishment's press loses control and cannot filter every word and action of the President.

Perhaps you might read about late-term abortions, say, I don't know.......maybe something written by an expert whose performed them?

https://twitter.com/DrJenGunter/stat...13147699830785

Its not some murder fest .....or abortions for the fun of it sorta thing.

[oladub]

Canadian Visitor, No, 56M abortions in the U.S. since 1973 is not a fun sort of thing. "Experts" often have different opinions. I missed the part in your "expert" article saying the expansion of abortions to viable third trimester babies In New York and Virginia was limited to gross deformities and other medical reasons. My point though was that Trump championing life, in this case, made him look better than the angry looking white robed women championing death. As total theater, Trump won that round.

[oladub]

Thank you. Glad we agree. There is no sane Republican or Democrat who will ever agree to an epically moronic Berlin Wall on our Southern border, so Dotard and his crazed cultists will just have to scream in their soiled diapers till the orange idiot is removed.

No, we don't agree because the Berlin Wall was erected to do just the opposite of protecting East Germany from an economic invasion. This is the second time I've see this stupid analogy posted today. It must be today's DNC talking point.

"A border wall isn’t analogous to the Berlin Wall nor should it be seen in the same light. After all, there’s a huge difference between a system designed to keep people in... and a system designed to keep people out... So, let’s consider the precedent of walls and systems designed to maintain security and keep illegal immigrants and terrorists out while allowing legal immigrants and visitors in."

Better examples of border protection would include China's wall, Hadrian's wall, Israel's fences and walls, Hungary's fences to keep Muslims out and hundreds of other example of nations protecting their own. Even China is building an anti illegal immigration barrier along 1,400KM of its border with N. Korea.
List of current border barriers

added: Here's a third use for border barriers. President Maduro is using trucks to block a bridge from Colombia to prevent a convoy of trucks carrying food and other relief supplies from entering his social democracy.

[Richard]

Anybody else wonder why Apple handed over all the I cloud and Iphone information with Stone but yet refused to hand over the same information when the San Bernardino shooters killed 14 people in a mass shooting?

Even after being taken to court it was stated that they were not responsible for turning over the information?

So why the selective deciding on who gets what information?

[Jimaz]

"I Trusted You!" Furious Trump Voters REVOLT Over GOP Tax Scam

[Danny]

Be ready for another Trump Government Shutdown in Feb. 15. 2019. He's making America Great again.

[Zacha341]

Transcript of the 2019 State of the Union Address

A great deal of commentary/ analysis pro and con has been made about the speech. Read details for yourself below.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/05/polit...ipt/index.html

[Bham1982]

No, we don't agree because the Berlin Wall was erected to do just the opposite of protecting East Germany from an economic invasion. This is the second time I've see this stupid analogy posted today. It must be today's DNC talking point.

Except you're wrong [[yet again). The Berlin Wall was officially the "Antifascist Protective Barrier". It's official purpose was keeping the West out of the DDR.

The official motivations around both walls are the same. Of course the actual motivations are different; in the case of Dotard it's rallying the Cult around a central meme [[hatred of foreigners), while doing nothing about border security, in the case of the DDR it was keeping the unhappy workforce contained. But both used a Big Lie of hostile outsiders to justify construction.

[Richard]

Except you're wrong [[yet again). The Berlin Wall was officially the "Antifascist Protective Barrier". It's official purpose was keeping the West out of the DDR.

The official motivations around both walls are the same. Of course the actual motivations are different; in the case of Dotard it's rallying the Cult around a central meme [[hatred of foreigners), while doing nothing about border security, in the case of the DDR it was keeping the unhappy workforce contained. But both used a Big Lie of hostile outsiders to justify construction.

The Berlin Wall was built as a anti fascist protective barrier?

Who is being the dolt now?

The wall, East German authorities declared, would protect their citizens from the pernicious influence of decadent capitalist culture.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...lin-wall-built

It seems like you are leaning towards the easts outlook verses the West,which kinda makes it clear who’s side you really are on.

[oladub]

Except you're wrong [[yet again). The Berlin Wall was officially the "Antifascist Protective Barrier". It's official purpose was keeping the West out of the DDR.

The official motivations around both walls are the same. Of course the actual motivations are different; in the case of Dotard it's rallying the Cult around a central meme [[hatred of foreigners), while doing nothing about border security, in the case of the DDR it was keeping the unhappy workforce contained. But both used a Big Lie of hostile outsiders to justify construction.

Bham, Thank you for the humor. Do you believe everything Communists and their contemporary fellow travelers tell you?

"Between 1961 and 1989, the [[East German) Wall prevented almost all such emigration. During this period over 100,000 people attempted to escape and over 5,000 people succeeded in escaping over the Wall

100,000 illegal aliens have attempted to cross our Southwest border in each of the past three months for comparison. Walls work pretty well. East Germany's wall kept people in. Trump's wall would instead keep criminals* out without impeding legal immigration.

*A misdemeanor is considered a crime of low seriousness, and a felony one of high seriousness.

[Bham1982]

Do you believe everything Communists and their contemporary fellow travelers tell you?

No, but you do, which is the entire point. The DDR lied, and Trump lies. Cults of personality taking advantage of the most ignorant.

And you believe Trump over govt. data, the media, other Republicans, the conservative Republican mayor of El Paso, because it's cult worship. You believe Trump can do no wrong, and his word is omnipotent. In fact a plurality of Trump supporters believe Trump has never told a lie in his entire life:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...lies-wall.html

[Bham1982]

The Berlin Wall was built as a anti fascist protective barrier?

Yes.

The Berlin Wall, officially, was the Antifaschistischer Schutzwall. It was basically built to keep the "bad hombres" [[i.e. the decadent Western capitalists) out.

[GMan]

Yes.

The Berlin Wall, officially, was the Antifaschistischer Schutzwall. It was basically built to keep the "bad hombres" [[i.e. the decadent Western capitalists) out.

Wow! Well it is legal now to smoke it.......

[Bham1982]

Wow! Well it is legal now to smoke it.......

It seems crazy now, but yes, that was the official motivation behind Berlin Wall. And the East Germans dutifully believed it. Cults are a powerful thing.

No different than Trump making the insane claim that "bad hombres" are being blocked by a giant imaginary wall, when 90% of cross-border traffic is by air, and most illegal activities go through legal land crossings.

But the good thing is that since the Wall is dead, Cultists can still scream and cry about foreigners. In a weird way it benefits Trump to have no Wall, because he still has his boogeyman and he can blame all the "pro open borders" Reps and Dems who laughed at his insane proposal.

[GMan]

It seems crazy now, but yes, that was the official motivation behind Berlin Wall. And the East Germans dutifully believed it. Cults are a powerful thing.

No different than Trump making the insane claim that "bad hombres" are being blocked by a giant imaginary wall, when 90% of cross-border traffic is by air, and most illegal activities go through legal land crossings.

But the good thing is that since the Wall is dead, Cultists can still scream and cry about foreigners. In a weird way it benefits Trump to have no Wall, because he still has his boogeyman and he can blame all the "pro open borders" Reps and Dems who laughed at his insane proposal.

That might of been the name but that was not the reason for the wall.

" Anti-Fascist Protection Wall " ^[1] was a propaganda term of the GDR for the Berlin Wall . The term "protective wall" has a defensive connotation and is therefore considered a euphemism .
The term invented the then responsible for propaganda SED official Horst Sindermann

[Bham1982]

That might of been the name but that was not the reason for the wall.

Yes, I'm well aware. That's the entire point.

The East German govt. was lying re. the motivation for the wall, just like Trump is lying. But many people believed the E. German govt., just like many people believe Trump.

Both were propaganda pieces intended to rally their respective bases. Both were laughed at by everyone else. Both made zero sense to anyone with a grasp of actual data.

[GMan]

Yes, I'm well aware. That's the entire point.

The East German govt. was lying re. the motivation for the wall, just like Trump is lying. But many people believed the E. German govt., just like many people believe Trump.

Both were propaganda pieces intended to rally their respective bases. Both were laughed at by everyone else. Both made zero sense to anyone with a grasp of actual data.

OK. But the wall was effective in limiting border crossings and that is what it's intent is here. No More. No Less.

[GMan]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...-wall-in-texas

[oladub]

And you believe Trump over govt. data, the media, other Republicans, the conservative Republican mayor of El Paso, because it's cult worship. You believe Trump can do no wrong, and his word is omnipotent. In fact a plurality of Trump supporters believe Trump has never told a lie in his entire life:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...lies-wall.html

I didn't mention any of those things or claim that "Trump could do no wrong". You are fantasizing.

In post #2637 you wrote, 'The Berlin Wall was officially the "Antifascist Protective Barrier". It's official purpose was keeping the West out of the DDR.

The official motivations around both walls are the same.'

I didn't make that up. You wrote that. If you think that keeping citizens in a country is the same as keeping criminals out, I can't help you. The more you try to wiggle over what you meant, the funnier you get. I don't believe Communists or similar sounding contemporary voices in the Democratic Party so I might not be on the same wavelength as you.

[Bong-Man]

OK. But the wall was effective in limiting border crossings and that is what it's intent is here. No More. No Less.

I think the guard towers manned with machine guns with permission to 'shoot to kill' may have had something to do with the stats and that wall's effectiveness as a deterrent.

[Bham1982]

OK. But the wall was effective in limiting border crossings and that is what it's intent is here. No More. No Less.

Except this is a lie. The Wall would not be effective in limiting border crossings, which is why it's a joke supported by no one outside the Cult.

Note that Republicans hate the Wall as much as Dems. Trump couldn't get a penny allocated for the Wall when Congress was under total Rep control, and not one Rep Congressman along the border supports the Wall.