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**Richard** · August-31-19, 10:22 AM

^ relate it to the weed aspect.

The Feds say it is illegal but the states legalized it in thier level,it is up to the individual states when it comes to their laws as to the employment of illegals.

Feds do a raid then arrest the employer it will go to court,which is time and money.

They do not want to get bogged down in state verses the federal government,in the cases of were an employer is charged,it is the state doing the charging under state laws.

It has nothing to do with Trump or whoever is president at the time.

The whole employment verification check provided by the feds is provided as a free tool if the states choose to use it,there is not federal law requiring its use.

As it stands the whole employment verification check is just a tool providing the business owner an out,if the state requires its use it is just entering numbers into a system that spits out a red light or green light,the buisness owner can just argue that they did was required and is not held responsible if somebody provided false information.

You have to prove the business owner personally knew the person was illegal,a large company where the owner is not directly involved in the face to face hiring makes it hard to prove.

Even worse if it a corporation,a corporation is an entity and not a person,so you can say corporation X is guilty of hiring illegals because they were there.

Fine the corporation a billion dollars,they declare bankruptcy then reopen the next day under a different name.

**Zacha341** · August-31-19, 12:39 PM

Agreed. He could be doing much better, in a more effective less rhetoric-based level. Instead the shannigans demonstrate the right's complicity re. illegals!

The employers seeking cheaper labor are being given a pass, looking the other way. Overseas tech workers are given advantages over US citizens, etc. Further, if the current admin wanted to reduce costs anyone in prison illegal should be deported, FIRST. As priority.

But as I've said poli-tricks [[for short term votes) reign, while reasoning, 'priorities' are much absent when it comes to the immigration issue.

Originally Posted by oladub

Zacha, regarding your POTUS comment in post 3347, I agree but even Trump could be doing better. The weight of the federal government should be directed more at illegal employers. In recent raids where 680 workers were arrested in Mississippi, not one employer was arrested and I'm not aware of any penalties placed on their companies. The couldn't have been so stupid as to not realize they were hiring illegals on a massive scale. If Trump's DOJ would have arrested some executives and corporate officers, they would think twice about who they hire. When the cost of hiring Americans or buying labor saving equipment becomes cheaper than hiring illegal labor, illegal immigration will decrease and we won't have to buy an expensive wall. I'm guessing that even Trump is afraid of angering campaign contributors.

**Shelby_** · September-01-19, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Richard

The question was still not answered,which of the following did she receive

A order of deportation
A finial order of deportation

It is not that complicated

My guess is she received an order of deportation,which gives them 30 days to self deport or hire an attorney,she can and will,but maybe not because it is apparent that her family has resources,receive free legal representation and can drag it out up to 10 years,her case will be heard in front of a judge and he alone will make that decision.

If it was a finial order of deportation,then she has already gone before the judge and all ready ordered to self deport within 30 days,so she would have already known the results years ago.

It is complicated, insofar that it doesn't follow flowchart mentality.

The Bueso family came here in 2003, by invitation from the US Food & Drug Administration.They needed Maria to assist in the clinical trial for a drug developed to treat a rare genetic condition she suffered from. The trial was successful and weekly infusions of the drug are keeping her alive. The treatment is only available in the US. When she and her family arrived, they were granted tourist visas, then received special status through the “medical deferred action” program that allowed immigrants to stay in the U.S. if they could demonstrate “extreme medical need." The only caveat was they had to submit a renewal every two years.

This family had a recognized legal status until USCIS REVOKED it by eliminating the program without notice. They received a letter saying they had 33 days from the letter's date to leave.

As citizens her parents that purchased and renovated a house,how come they did not apply for her citizenship as a direct relation.

Her parents had the same special status she had. Why do you assume they haven't applied for citizenship? They've been here since 2003. It can take up to 20 years to become a citizen.

Granted it sounds way better saying it is a death sentence.

It is a death sentence. Blame her parents if it helps assuage your conscience, but make no mistake, this administration and its defenders have blood on their hands.

**Richard** · September-02-19, 01:13 AM

^ for your benefit I will explain it one more time as I have already at least 3 times.

There is no such thing as a medical deferred action visa,I challenge you to provide me a link from the immigration website that refers to the “medical deferred action” as a program that so many refer to.

They came to the United States on a tourist visa. It says it in the article posted.

They overstayed the tourist visa,they then received an order of deportation which is a computer generated response based on the checked in on arrival but did not clear customs when departing.

So the computer recognized them as overstaying their tourist visa time limit.

Once they receive the order of deportation they can at that time present to the judge cause to stay in the country an extended time.They cannot come here on a tourist visa and then apply for a deferred action without being legally in default of an overstay,or before receiving an order of deportation.

They used the deferred action request based on medical grounds which give them an extension in order to stay in the US longer and legally work,it is clearly stated that this action may be terminated at anytime.

They received approval for a 2 year extension,the parents buy a house,banking on the continued extension process,still knowing full well that it could be terminated at anytime.

The child has an incurable disease,no matter what country they are in there is no cure,her death sentence as you call it was inherited,even when they said the other child died in thier country because of misdiagnosis,but that sibling also had the same incurable disease,no country or doctor in the world could have saved that child.

The reason for the time limits and the judge reviews is because parents were useing thier children as a way to stay in the country in an endless chain of disputing the order of deportation.

Each case has always been based on need,by a judge,not by Trump or Obama or anybody else.

Immigration has already said something that everybody chooses to ignore in thier drama of saying a death sentence is being passed.

Each case is reviewed on a case by case basis,if it is determined that they have a legitimate reason to stay in the country then they can.

The drama of the 600 picked up at the meat packing plant?

Out of those 600 10% were actually deported,the rest were let go in order to go through the process and have a chance to make their case in order to stay.

Read and understand this,immigration,ice,department of homeland security are only there to enforce laws passed by Congress,they do not have the power to make thier own laws,only the United States attorney general can override those laws and very rarely does.

The immigration judge and the immigration judge makes his or her decision based on the law with the ability to add the humane aspect in thier finial ruling.

They all received notice of deportation because they all had failed to abide by the laws with the tourist visa.

Nobody went into the computer and flagged them specifically out of the millions in the system,you guys created a massive workload at the border which caused to whole immigration system to move personal and divisions around in order to meet the demand.

Guess what,they got flagged because the workforce that was dealing and had knowledge in that arena had to transfer the workload elsewhere.

Read this

https://www.usimmigration.org/glossary/deferred-action

Deferred Action is an immigration status which the executive branch can grant to illegal immigrants. It is a type of prosecutorial discretionary, limited immigration benefit that allows an individual to remain in the United States for a determined period of time, and it can be revoked at any time. It can be granted to individuals who are in removal proceedings, who have final orders of removal, or who have never been in removal proceedings. Deferred action is determined on a case-by-case basis and only establishes lawful presence. It does not provide legal immigration status or benefits of any kind, but can indefinitely delay deportation. There is no direct path from deferred action to lawful permanent residence or to citizenship. DACA is one type of deferred action.

Is there any part of that confusing?

**Richard** · September-02-19, 01:35 AM

Part two [[scared to edit)

The only difference in the extension of the order of deportation based on medical reasons is the person receiving the medical care receives Medicaid in order to pay for the hospital.

Under the DACA program those receiving Medicaid were stripped of that.

There is no way in the whole immigration system that allows somebody to arrive in a tourist visa in order to obtain long term medical care.

Tourist visa is 90 days and is exactly what it implies,after the 90 days they are notified with an order of deportation.

Why did the parents,that were on a tourist visa that they then received an extension based on medical, knowing full well it could be terminated,also knowing full well that she had a non curable disease which would also meen that they could stay in this country as long as she survived.

Buy a house.

That would say that they were anticipating to stay based on a continued extension of the order of deportation.

It was thier intent from the start to stay in this country while useing that child as a pass,that is why they bought the house,they put down permanent roots.

If they were here strictly for medical reasons they would have rented a apartment or Catholic charities would have set them up for free.

Catholic Charities is the sub contractor for the government for dealing with refugees and humanitarian reasons.That is what they get paid to do.

This is a part of fixing a broken immigration system and closing exploited loop holes.

**jcole** · September-02-19, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by Richard

^ for your benefit I will explain it one more time as I have already at least 3 times.

There is no such thing as a medical deferred action visa,I challenge you to provide me a link from the immigration website that refers to the “medical deferred action” as a program that so many refer to.

She never claimed is was a Medical Deferred Action VISA. It's a program.

The contingent of Democratic lawmakers from both the House and Senate penned a letter on Friday to top officials at the Department of Homeland Security, urging them to reverse course and continue offering these immigrants — including children with life-threatening health conditions — a temporary reprieve from deportation through a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services [[USCIS) program known as medical deferred action.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/medical...ck-immigrants/

**jcole** · September-02-19, 07:35 AM

Again:

Massachusetts Rep. Ayanna Pressley said Wednesday she may call for a congressional oversight hearing into the status of medical deferred action after denial letters sent this week had many immigrants and advocates fearing the program's end.

https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/08/28...eferred-action

**Honky Tonk** · September-02-19, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by jcole

Again:

https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/08/28...eferred-action

What I would like, is for the righteous left to define the term "immigrant". Within the last few months, the closer we're getting to elections, the term is being used as endearing and all encompassing. Is she refering to people who have gone through the legal vetting process and are being denied medical assistance, or is she referring to illegal aliens who have stormed the US borders in search of free Healthcare and are becoming a burden and are taking away from tax-paying US citizens? Inquiring minds want to know.

**Richard** · September-02-19, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by jcole

Again:

https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/08/28...eferred-action

Again: Correction: The post has been updated to reflect that Jonathan Sanchez is concerned he will receive a denial letter due to the government's procedural changes. He has not received one. We regret the error.

https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/08/26...-program-ended

Read the form that was sent out by immigration at the top that is posted
in that link,notice the key words MAY ,it is not a tailored form,it is a covers all form.

From your own link

ICE does consider administrative stay requests, a different process that allows the government to postpone deportation for a variety of reasons. People subject to removal from the U.S. can apply for a stay of up to one year, and there is an option to submit medical evidence as a reason for the request.

All they are doing is changing the name of the program while they transfer the load to ICE and dropping the 2 year stay into a 1 year stay under ICE terms.

ICE in the past was only the police force for immigration,you guys started this by rushing the border and now by pushing the weight of policy making onto ICE you have also removed any possibility of eliminating ICE like you wanted.

So they still have the option of reapplying under ICE ,so while you guys are crying death sentence you have to show it applies.

In no media report does it say it will happen 100% ,it always says it may happen,no different then in the past,every thing immigration related is based on it may happen.

**Richard** · September-02-19, 10:19 AM

Notice how the newspaper prints false information that has people shouting Trump is sending kids to thier death and the best that they can do is say ... we regret that error.

But still continues to print a narrative.

You guys are so caught up in the whole death sentence charade based on something that may happen that you completely overlooked the fact that this action kills the whole abolish ICE cry it is now stopped in its tracks.

Now you cannot abolish ICE because if you try you will be subjecting those people to a death sentence.

You got played. I guess Trump is not as stupid as you guys like to shout out on a daily basis.

It was actually a brilliant move,use 1000 people and the media that presents an emotional case to millions based on a narrative that did not exist in order to obtain a goal.

The scary part is it actually worked.

**Zacha341** · September-02-19, 11:23 AM

The whole immigration/ illegal/ Trump/ ICE thing has been so conflated, mangled, trampled, redacted and distorted in regards to intention and motive it's nearly impossible to apprehend the original first causes!

We must really look STUPID to other countries in this regard. In our folly!

**Richard** · September-02-19, 11:34 AM

^ not really they are tied up deporting the refugees that the EU dumped on them.

They are going through the same thing and battles over there with the same passion ,just swap the words immigration and refugee around.

A major part of Brexit was the open borders and people signing up on England’s liberal dole packages and then going back home living quite well.

People get a little perturb when the country they live in can no longer be considered a sovereign nation while others are allowed to exploit the laws that they have to pay for.

Go figure Hugh

**Honky Tonk** · September-02-19, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

The whole immigration/ illegal/ Trump/ ICE thing has been so conflated, mangled, trampled, redacted and distorted in regards to intention and motive it's nearly impossible to apprehend the original first causes!

Two words: Vote pandering...

**Richard** · September-02-19, 12:02 PM

I think a lot of confusion comes from people not knowing the difference in the agencies and the role they play in the bigger picture.

Immigration is one agency

Ice was established as the enforcement arm because of the terrorist aspect.

In to get ICE passed in a bipartisan way they adopted giving ICE the additional powers to override immigration decisions on a case by case basis.

Which gives those served with deportation orders two chances to appeal the process verses the just one of the past.

At that time when immigration said you are out of here case closed.

It was designed as a stop gap of abuse of power within the immigration process.

That is why you have to wait until you receive the order of deportation until you can appeal the process.

Unless you have a felony then most cases they just deport you.

I say most cases because I have an acquaintance that in the 80s was convicted of conspiracy to import tons of cocaine into south fla,she was under a green card through marriage and never received citizenship.

She did time and was released,20 years later under the Obama Administration she was arrested and set for deportation for committing a felony while in a green card status.

A good lawyer and thousands of dollars and she was allowed to stay.

No matter what everybody still gets thier day in court and is able to present their case.

Immigration has to follow the laws as laid out,you break the law they do not have the power to circumvent it so they hand the file off to ICE a different agency that has the power to bend the law.

People like to go on about ICE and how inhuman they are but they are actually are the only humane aspect in a system that outside of them is required to follow the letter of the law with no leeway or recourse.

**jcole** · September-02-19, 04:25 PM

USCIS is reopening previously pending deferral requests:
https://www.uscis.gov/news/alerts/us...erral-requests

Last Reviewed/Updated:

09/02/2019

**Richard** · September-02-19, 08:18 PM

^ to bad they did not say they were reopening the “Medical Deferred Action Cases”

**Dan Wesson** · September-06-19, 12:13 PM

**Maof** · September-06-19, 03:59 PM

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pence-trump-irish-golf-resort-house-investigation_n_5d7269ebe4b03aabe35b5421

Pence stays at Drumpf's resort in Doonbeg 180 miles away from meetings in Dublin. This, all on our dime including flying back and forth on Air Force Two.

**Honky Tonk** · September-06-19, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Maof

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pence-trump-irish-golf-resort-house-investigation_n_5d7269ebe4b03aabe35b5421

Pence stays at Drumpf's resort in Doonbeg 180 miles away from meetings in Dublin. This, all on our dime including flying back and forth on Air Force Two.

I think Donald's Administration is just trying to keep up with the Jones's...

https://www.newsweek.com/obama-admin...n-trump-723883

**Maof** · September-06-19, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

I think Donald's Administration is just trying to keep up with the Jones's...

https://www.newsweek.com/obama-admin...n-trump-723883

And I believe you're wrong....

"obtained by judical watch, a conservative legal group".

You're ok with Pence traveling 180 miles for meetings in Dublin while staying at Trump's resort and him profiting off of it? [["to be closer to my ancestral home") <<<< sure sounds like a crock of shit to me. And suggesting the 2020 G-7 at his Miami gold resort? They don't call him Don the Con for nothing.

You need to stop trying to defend him. It's like fighting a loosing battle.

**Richard** · September-06-19, 07:30 PM

^ you meen like the losing battle of the Russians did it,impeach Trump etc.

Exactly what battles are you winning,not many it would appear.

Why does it have to be a battle and not what is best for the country,I think the left really has a love hate for Trump but they just do not want to admit it.

**Honky Tonk** · September-06-19, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Maof

And I believe you're wrong....

"obtained by judical watch, a conservative legal group".

You're ok with Pence traveling 180 miles for meetings in Dublin while staying at Trump's resort and him profiting off of it? [["to be closer to my ancestral home") <<<< sure sounds like a crock of shit to me. And suggesting the 2020 G-7 at his Miami gold resort? They don't call him Don the Con for nothing.

You need to stop trying to defend him. It's like fighting a loosing battle.

I'm not defending Trump as much as I'm laughing @ you and your one sided viewpoints of the Presidency. "obtained by judical watch, a conservative legal group". What's your point? Is this more fake news contrived by the Russians? Here's another fake news story:

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/pol...123335079.html

I don't recall you posting a whole lot of anger about those stories back then. Maybe you missed them... I wish I could say I'm sorry Hillary lost, but I'm not.

**Maof** · September-07-19, 06:59 AM

Laugh all you want HT. You're comparing apples to oranges. And why bring up fake news, Russia and Hillary when someone post anything about Drumpf? What's YOUR point? Deflection maybe? Again, for someone who claims to be an independent, you sure do a lot of defending him and his cronies. I see you've become a true follower...

https://img.culturacolectiva.com/con..._ei6_5z0w.jpeg

**Honky Tonk** · September-07-19, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Maof

Laugh all you want HT. You're comparing apples to oranges. And why bring up fake news, Russia and Hillary when someone post anything about Drumpf? What's YOUR point? Deflection maybe? Again, for someone who claims to be an independent, you sure do a lot of defending him and his cronies. I see you've become a true follower...

https://img.culturacolectiva.com/con..._ei6_5z0w.jpeg

You're right. Sorry Maof, I totally overestimated you, I thought you'd be able to catch on.