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[Shelby_]

Syrians said the number one thing hindering the process was Bolton and not Trump.

In other news we just dropped 80,000 pounds of bombs in one run on a small river island outside of Iraq where thousands of militants were supposed to be holed up.

Qanus Island in central Iraq. It was a joint task force mission. ISIS was the target.

[Shelby_]

Bolton's firing is wonderful news! We have been in some military actions but at least Trump hasn't done anything on the scale of starting new wars, bombing Libya, or even Serbia.

Neocons must not be happy. Hillary lost, McCain is gone, and now John Bolton will have a more difficult time procuring new wars. One would think that there would be more joy found here about Bolton getting sacked.

I'm happy about it. My husband is a veteran who is not longer active, but because he's an officer, he can be brought back into service for thirty years from his date of commission. With Bolton as part of the Trump Administration it was definitely in the back of my mind that it could happen.

Additionally, Bolton doesn't have the self imposed restraint of Mattis and McMaster. I suspect he'll have a lot to say and most of it won't be flattering.

[Richard]

You live in a bubble Richard. Trump is a laughingstock. Most intelligent Americans are disgusted and ashamed of him. History will remember him as the worst president in our nation's history.

Piece of better advice: get off the sinking ship while there's still time.

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It is like 2016 all over again,the tears of loss and the polls that never got it right are ingrained in the archives of you tube for all to see.

You should check them out so maybe this time the let down will be a bit more subtle.

Most intelligent American Trump supporters [[myself excluded)
know better then to expose themselves to the abuse laid out by the left,so they speak thier mind at the voting booth.

History repeats itself.

The only laughing stock is the the continuation of the chuckles at the claim of the Russians did it and impeach Trump merry go round in the leftist circus that follows.

I have faith,maybe you will see redemption in the end but I kinda doubt it.

I know I will be looking at Kleenex stock prices and offering a 10% discount on my portable safe spaces [[made in America)the closer it comes to 2020.

Hey,did you see where Trump is bringing in the feds to deal with the homeless crisis in California.

Sense your party of choice leaders seem to talk about caring about Americans verses actually doing what is best for them.

I think they call that lip service.

[Shelby_]

Most intelligent American Trump supporters

LOL Intelligent Trump supporters. That's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.

Hey,did you see where Trump is bringing in the feds to deal with the homeless crisis in California.

Hey, have you heard of the 10th Amendment? Apparently Trump hasn't. Sending in feds without consent from the state is beyond his authority. Someone will explain it to him eventually.

[Jimaz]

How Trump Plans To Keep America White

President Trump's immigration policy goes beyond rounding up and deporting undocumented people. He's also using other political tricks to make sure brown people don't have a voice in America...

[Richard]

^ why do the brown people need a white savior?

I think she is racist because she is implying that brown people are to dumb to stand up for themselves and they have to rely of some white chick to save them.

She needs to get a real job.

[Zacha341]

Hah, I hear that. But it must be remembered that those who DID vote for Trump initially did so as he posited himself as a NON-politician and change in direction.

I think his voting base was far more varied than believed [[setting aside the summation of them being deplorables), including centrists and libertarians.

That same voting block may not repeat their vote; done with how things have turned out, some of his actions/ inactions/ deficit spending etc!

LOL Intelligent Trump supporters. That's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.

[Richard]

^ or he may do even better because in spite of all the rhetoric,he is actually doing what he said he was going to do.

It is clear that he is not there to be all PC correct when it comes time to get things done.

I think the biggest problem stems from the education system removing basic civics lessons from the classroom,look at how many thought presidential elections were based on popular vote,and still think so.

Alot of it seems to be misdirected anger because of a failure to understand the system and how it actually works.

Which brings up the question of who the deplorables really were.

[Richard]

Compared to Rasmussen’s results for his predecessor, Trump is tracking pretty well. At the same time in his presidency [[Sept 16 2011), Obama was at 46% approval and 53% disapproval, about 4 points worse than Trump.

https://rightwingfolks.com/trump-app...at-same-point/

[bust]

Check your facts, Richard.

Not only below is Trump's approval rating below what was Obama's at this stage in his presidency, it's lower than every other president's at this stage in recent history, except Carter's.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

Lest you forget, at this stage in Carter's presidency we were in the depths of the Iran oil crisis and the fuel shortages, inflation, and economic upheaval that caused.

At this stage in Obama's presidency we were in our deepest economic depths since the oil crisis, just as he was turning around the recession he inherited from GW Bush, and before people shook off the fear it had caused. His approval was as low as it ever was.

Meanwhile, look what Trump inherited. From 2010 onward Obama initiated what has become the longest period of economic growth in US history. That made Trump almost as lucky as when he won the birth lottery, and all the inheritances bestowed upon him for that.

Yet his approval at the peak of this growth is below what was Obama's at its depths after a recession.

As usual, the problem with your facts are your sources. Then again, it's a problem that afflicts right wing folks in general.

So hilarious, were it not so sad.

[Zacha341]

The deficit is out of control. And growing -- with a great deal of silence from some of same the repubs who screamed bloody murder as former pres. Obama soared the rate!

Some on the right are starting to call Trump out on the spend-golly:

Treasury: US deficit tops $1 trillion in 11 months

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/4...n-in-11-months

from article:

"This can't continue..." former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haleytweeted Thursday alongside an article about the deficit.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy [[R-Calif.) also told reporters at a GOP retreat in Baltimore that tackling the deficit would be his top priority if Republicans take back the House and he becomes Speaker.

Former Rep. Mark Sanford [[R), who is mounting a long-shot primary challenge to Trump, excoriated the president over his fiscal record.

"The President’s propensity to dismiss our deteriorating financial position is dangerous, and these threats are underscored by the U.S. Treasury numbers," he said in a statement.
A decade of projected trillion-dollar deficits, he added, was unprecedented in peacetime.

[bust]

^^ Yep. It seems he'll do anything in order to get re-elected [[and potentially to stay out of jail). At the incredible expense of our future, our children's, and our grandchildren's.

Trump reverses course, seeks negative rates from Fed 'boneheads'
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1VW1CW

"Trump, in a pair of Twitter posts, said negative rates would save the government money on its debt, which including Social Security accounts has reached a record $22 trillion on Trump’s watch."

"The president’s comments precede a week in which the world’s major central banks, including the Fed, are expected to lower rates or otherwise loosen monetary policy in what is widely seen as a move to protect the global economy against risks partly rising from Trump’s trade war with China.

But the quarter of a percentage point cut expected by the Fed is not likely to satisfy Trump, who has called on Powell and the Fed to quickly and dramatically cut rates as a way to boost slowing U.S. economic growth ahead of his re-election bid next year."

"Trump could also personally save millions of dollars a year in interest if the Fed lowers rates, given the outstanding loans on his hotels and resorts."

Nothing hilarious about that. Just horribly, desperately sad. Like Trump.

Why skyrocketing federal debt will mean the next recession is harder to overcome
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/wh...er-to-overcome

[Richard]

Check your facts, Richard.

Not only below is Trump's approval rating below what was Obama's at this stage in his presidency, it's lower than every other president's at this stage in recent history, except Carter's.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

Lest you forget, at this stage in Carter's presidency we were in the depths of the Iran oil crisis and the fuel shortages, inflation, and economic upheaval that caused.

At this stage in Obama's presidency we were in our deepest economic depths since the oil crisis, just as he was turning around the recession he inherited from GW Bush.

Meanwhile, look what Trump inherited. From 2010 onward Obama initiated what has become the longest period of economic growth in US history. That made Trump almost as lucky as when he won the birth lottery, and all the inheritances bestowed upon him for that.

Yet his approval at the peak of this growth is below what was Obama's at its depths after a recession.

As usual, the problem with your facts are your sources. Then again, it's a problem that afflicts right wing folks in general.

So hilarious, were it not so sad.

So you post a link from FiveThirtyEight which is owned by ABC/Disney world that has an anti Trump agenda and tell me to get my facts straight?

Obama initiated a program that benefited the top while throwing millions on the streets then selling thier homes for pennies on the dollar,he help create the largest transfer of wealth from the bottom to the top.

If the economy he created was so great why did the stock market hit record levels immediately after the election,maybe because he created so much instability in the markets that investors held back?

Obamas approval was because he could speak eloquently,I am in the economy,for the 8 years he was in office,it plain sucked,look at who his shovel ready projects really benefited.

It has nothing to do with left wing or right wing it has to do with you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time.

People saw through the Obama BS and made it known at the polls.

Keep making excuses for him,the recession was irrelevant,how he dealt it was.

Everybody that had thier fingers in his administration are now in high paid positions with big pharmaceutical,Wall Street,investment funds and big banking.

The very companies that they campaigned against but yet bailed out at your expense and at the expense of your fellow Americans.

All he did was whisper sweet nothings in people’s ear as he was bending them over.

He helped and profited from the recession that he helped drag out in order to maximize profits at the top.

The banks lost nothing,the small banks were eliminated at the benefit of control of the large banks,they were paid losses for thier mortgages that they never even held useing taxpayer money.

They could have kept millions in thier homes but they choose to kick them out and devastate communities that still have not recovered

They could have done a minimum monthly payment and kept people in thier homes,real estate has a history of ebbs and tides and most cities now the values exceed pre 2006 values.

Somebody that owed $160,000 could have had a deferred payment but the answer was to kick them out,sell the house for $6000 and the taxpayers paid the balance to the banks,they did not lose a dime.

[Richard]

^^ Yep. It seems he'll do anything in order to get re-elected [[and potentially to stay out of jail). At the incredible expense of our future, our children's, and our grandchildren's.

Trump reverses course, seeks negative rates from Fed 'boneheads'
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1VW1CW

"Trump, in a pair of Twitter posts, said negative rates would save the government money on its debt, which including Social Security accounts has reached a record $22 trillion on Trump’s watch."

"The president’s comments precede a week in which the world’s major central banks, including the Fed, are expected to lower rates or otherwise loosen monetary policy in what is widely seen as a move to protect the global economy against risks partly rising from Trump’s trade war with China.

But the quarter of a percentage point cut expected by the Fed is not likely to satisfy Trump, who has called on Powell and the Fed to quickly and dramatically cut rates as a way to boost slowing U.S. economic growth ahead of his re-election bid next year."

"Trump could also personally save millions of dollars a year in interest if the Fed lowers rates, given the outstanding loans on his hotels and resorts."

Nothing hilarious about that. Just horribly, desperately sad. Like Trump.

Why skyrocketing federal debt will mean the next recession is harder to overcome
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/wh...er-to-overcome

So what you are saying is Trump is the only singular investor in the entire United States economy?

Why are so many Americans supporting China and what is in thier best interests?

It is laughable when somebody complains about the debt and the future of our children while supporting nafta and bad trade policies,one of the very things that had a direct role in the national debt.

If Americans really cared about the future of this country and the children like they claim they would stop reaching for China to be thier savior so they can save a dollar over thier fellow Americans.

It is Americans making that choice not Trump,but they sure like to blame Trump for thier own personal actions.

[Maof]

Check your facts, Richard.

Not only below is Trump's approval rating below what was Obama's at this stage in his presidency, it's lower than every other president's at this stage in recent history, except Carter's.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

Lest you forget, at this stage in Carter's presidency we were in the depths of the Iran oil crisis and the fuel shortages, inflation, and economic upheaval that caused.

At this stage in Obama's presidency we were in our deepest economic depths since the oil crisis, just as he was turning around the recession he inherited from GW Bush, and before people shook off the fear it had caused. His approval was as low as it ever was.

Meanwhile, look what Trump inherited. From 2010 onward Obama initiated what has become the longest period of economic growth in US history. That made Trump almost as lucky as when he won the birth lottery, and all the inheritances bestowed upon him for that.

Yet his approval at the peak of this growth is below what was Obama's at its depths after a recession.

As usual, the problem with your facts are your sources. Then again, it's a problem that afflicts right wing folks in general.

So hilarious, were it not so sad.

Here's the thing bust, Richard turns a blind eye to the truth. He see's Trump as a savior that can do no wrong. Having a "business man" in office is not the saving grace [[as seen in his multiple failed business'/bankruptcies). His twisting and turning and off the wall "rebuttals" as to why DT is the best thing since sliced bread will continue. Until it all crashes and burns with this administration, the discussion is one-sided. I think he likes it though when Trump and Pence says "locked and loaded"

[Richard]

I also supported Duggan for Detroit does the same analogy apply?

Thats the problem,you guys base politics on personal emotions and the little picture that surrounds you when it is about the bigger picture,then you make excuses to justify it and blame everybody else for your shortsighted views.

This country was built on lock and loaded and exists on lock and loaded,which is why you guys want to rewrite the constitution,so it can collapse into the socialist dream that you guys desire but know little about.

Funny how nobody complains about lock and loaded when it is protecting them.

[bust]

It is laughable when somebody complains about the debt and the future of our children while supporting nafta and bad trade policies,one of the very things that had a direct role in the national debt.

Clinton was a southern blue dog conservative who had more in common with republicans than democrats in the places where most democrats live.

Nafta passed the house with 234 voting in favor and 200 against. Republicans voted overwhelmingly in favor, 132 to 43. A minority of democrats supported it, voting 102 in favor and 156 against. An independent also voted against. That independent was Bernie Sanders.

Today's democratic candidates fall somewhere within the range of standing firmly against Nafta [[and Trump's new version of it) to wanting to substantively improve it for Americans before passing another deal. Sanders and Warren have been very vocal against it.

Meanwhile, the two main causes of our debt are increased costs [[e.g., caring for our aging population and military spending) and reduced revenues [[e.g., massive corporate tax cuts.) Corporate taxes as a percentage of federal revenue has dropped from 24% in 1960 to less than 8% last year.

If Americans really cared about the future of this country and the children like they claim they would stop reaching for China to be thier savior so they can save a dollar over thier fellow Americans.

It is Americans making that choice not Trump,but they sure like to blame Trump for thier own personal actions.

Please keep at it.

[Shelby_]

I also supported Duggan for Detroit does the same analogy apply?

Thats the problem,you guys base politics on personal emotions and the little picture that surrounds you when it is about the bigger picture,then you make excuses to justify it and blame everybody else for your shortsighted views.

This country was built on lock and loaded and exists on lock and loaded,which is why you guys want to rewrite the constitution,so it can collapse into the socialist dream that you guys desire but know little about.

Funny how nobody complains about lock and loaded when it is protecting them.

Have you served in the military Richard?

[Richard]

Clinton was a southern blue dog conservative who had more in common with republicans than democrats in the places where most democrats lived.

Nafta passed the house with 234 voting in favor and 200 against. Republicans voted overwhelmingly in favor, 132 to 43. A minority of democrats supported it, voting 102 in favor and 156 against. An independent also voted against. That independent was Bernie Sanders.

Today's democratic candidates fall somewhere within the range of standing firmly against Nafta [[and Trump's new version of it) to wanting to substantively improve it for Americans it before passing another deal. Sanders and Warren have been very vocal against it.

Meanwhile, the two main causes of our debt are increased costs [[e.g., caring for our aging population and military spending) and reduced revenues [[e.g., massive corporate tax cuts.) Corporate taxes as a percentage of federal revenue has dropped from 24% in 1960 to less than 8% last year.





Please keep at it.

Yes we all know what the issues are that need to be addressed,so the question is the currently elected President addressing these issues?

NAFTA and trade in general - Is being addressed

The debt in relation to military spending- Forcing foreign allies to contribute to thier fair share of the costs.

The current blockaid of Iran was not enforced until the allies agreed to reimburse the United States for the costs of having our military ships there.

Demanding that if the United States is expected to be the worlds police force our future conflicts will be joint efforts,not just on the US dime and troops.

Poland offered to spend over 1 billion to build a US base there,but the decision was made not to because we already have bases in Germany that would have overlapped because it did not make economic sense it was nixed.

The reason to purchase Greenland was to save billions that it cost the military to be based there and create a block from Russian and Chinese expansion in the arctic.

Do Trump products come from China,yes,just like every other thing we reach for on the shelf.

Amercians as a whole already decided years ago that they prefer cheap over made in the US,if you want people in the US to make a livable wage then we need to start producing products in the US,they will be more expensive,but more people will be working at a higher wage.

As it stands that will never happen as long as the incentive to purchase and ship cheap products from overseas.

So right away when Trump starts the process the first thing you hear is “Trumps trade war is going to increase costs” what an ass.

Well yea,that is the whole point,drive up costs so it makes it feasible for American companies to build in this country and employ Americans at a livable wage.

Anybody calling for a livable wage that does not support that is hypocritical.

We do better in this conversation when we look at what is really happening verses what Party sucks more,we are Americans and we are supposed to be looking out for each other.

I do not agree with everything Trump does but anything that he does that supports the best interests for this country and the people in it I will support 100%.

You forget,I am an independent nationalist.

Anybody that puts America and Americans first I will support,I do not care if it is Mickey Mouse.

[Richard]

Have you served in the military Richard?

Like many others,yes I have,just as my family members have going back to 1776 in this country.

25% of our family tree was wiped out do to fighting for what they believed in but that is minuscule compared to the millions of Americans that also paid the price alongside of them and continue to do so.

[jcole]

Originally Posted by RichardI also supported Duggan for Detroit does the same analogy apply?

Thats the problem,you guys base politics on personal emotions and the little picture that surrounds you when it is about the bigger picture,then you make excuses to justify it and blame everybody else for your shortsighted views.

This country was built on lock and loaded and exists on lock and loaded,which is why you guys want to rewrite the constitution,so it can collapse into the socialist dream that you guys desire but know little about.

Funny how nobody complains about lock and loaded when it is protecting them

Do you live in Detroit, Richard?

[Richard]

^ get to the point,the answer to that is no secret to anybody that has been following along for the last 9 years.

It is not illegal to support candidates outside ones state and last I checked Detroit was a city in the United States,correct?

[Jimaz]

The question stands.

[Richard]

^ so does the one I asked you about who Thom Hartman is to you,that you choose not to answer,while you are interjecting.

Or were you referring to the question that I asked and still stands in unanswered without using a diversion tactic?

[bust]

The question stands.

When I asked if he'd ever even visited he also didn't answer.

If he'd said yes, would he have been able to speak to it? Not yet?

Even so, his evolution has been remarkable. Whether by automation or human labor, maybe soon he'll be able to convincingly impersonate.

Would that be progress?