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[aj3647]

Election officials had already confirmed that it's virtually impossible to *HACK* voting machines.

Wrong.

http://fortune.com/2017/07/31/defcon...ting-machines/

There are literally how-to videos on youtube that show how to hack voting machines. It's surprisingly easy given that some municipalities were using voting machines that were still running unpatched versions of Windows XP as their operating systems. [[Microsoft stopped issuing security updates for Windows XP in 2014)

What is de facto impossible is to hack a nationwide election, due to the fact that our election systems are decentralized and that there are dozens of different machines in use across the country. So yes, it's extremely unlikely to hack machines all over the country and change millions of votes. But to say that it's "virtually impossible" to hack them is flat out wrong because as I already proved in the link above, people have already done it with extreme ease.A 16 year old at DefCon hacked one in 90 minutes. A Princeton University computer science professor bought one online and was able to hack it within mere minutes.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...minutes-214144

[313WX]

Wrong.

http://fortune.com/2017/07/31/defcon...ting-machines/

There are literally how-to videos on youtube that show how to hack voting machines. It's surprisingly easy given that some municipalities were using voting machines that were still running unpatched versions of Windows XP as their operating systems. [[Microsoft stopped issuing security updates for Windows XP in 2014)

What is de facto impossible is to hack a nationwide election, due to the fact that our election systems are decentralized and that there are dozens of different machines in use across the country. So yes, it's extremely unlikely to hack machines all over the country and change millions of votes. But to say that it's "virtually impossible" to hack them is flat out wrong because as I already proved in the link above, people have already done it with extreme ease.A 16 year old at DefCon hacked one in 90 minutes. A Princeton University computer science professor bought one online and was able to hack it within mere minutes.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...minutes-214144

Oh, for fuck sakes!

Yes, someone could technically go around and break into individual voting machines and reprogram them. No shit.

But we all know that's not the type of hacking that conspiracy theorists were peddling [[because it's not plausible nor probable for a multitude of reasons). Instead, they were peddling the hacking of voting machines by foreign entities through internet servers, which *IS* impossible because voting machines aren't connected to the internet.

Don't be stupid.

[aj3647]

Oh, for fuck sakes!

Yes, someone could technically go around and break into individual voting machines and reprogram them. No shit.

No shit, eh? You said it was "virtually impossible to hack voting machines." Direct quote. Those are your literal exact words. You didn't specify "virtually impossible to hack by a foreign entity using internet servers", now did you?

Again, don't throw out your back moving those goal posts.

Our election systems ARE vulnerable to hacking. Could Russia change totals on voting machines using just the internet? No, but one unscrupulous individual with access could certainly alter the results of a local election with relatively little effort and that should be a cause of concern.

Also, while most voting machines might not be connected to the Internet, voter REGISTRATION databases most certainly ARE internet accessible. And there were extensive attempts to hack them in 2016.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-feds-say.html

No need to hack voting machines when you can just delete certain party-aligned voters from the registration database. Then those people will be turned away from the polls on election day or forced to cast a provisional ballot which might not even be counted.

Now there's no proof that the Russians were able to successfully alter any voter registration databases, but the threat is very real. The vulnerability exists. And instead of trying to focus on improving the digital security of our voting system by investing in new machines and better online security for registration databases, this Administration is instead focused on a "voter fraud" witch hunt which I believe to date has found exactly zero evidence of any systemic voter fraud issues.

[313WX]

Could Russia change totals on voting machines using just the internet? No...

So basically, you just admitted your initial response to me was a non-sequitur.

You're such a fraud, LOL! Hillary lost, get over it.

[Richard]

So basically, you just admitted your initial response to me was a non-sequitur.

You're such a fraud, LOL! Hillary lost, get over it.

a year ago it was post after post how Russia hacked into the machines and messed the voting process and a recount was demanded,now it is a different story.

[aj3647]

a year ago it was post after post how Russia hacked into the machines and messed the voting process and a recount was demanded,now it is a different story.

Feel free to provide said posts...

So basically, you just admitted your initial response to me was a non-sequitur.

Can voting machines be hacked? Yes or no? Yes or no? It's a simple question. You said it was "virtually impossible." You sticking with that answer? No, you don't get to add qualifiers after that fact "durrrr well I obviously meant Russians using the internet to hack them" when you get called out for being wrong. You didn't say that before. You said, rather definitively, that it was virtually impossible to hack voting machines.

You said they couldn't be hacked. You were wrong. Just sack up and admit it instead of doubling down on your bullshit.

[313WX]

Feel free to provide said posts...

No one said they were your posts, or any posts on this forum.

Try using your reading comprehension skills.

[Richard]

You said they couldn't be hacked. You were wrong. Just sack up and admit it instead of doubling down on your bullshit.

Now that you bring it up,I am still waiting for your apology.Feel free to submit it at your leisure because I am not holding my breath.

[Dumpling]

Well this thread went downhill some! Hope everybody feels better
soon. Was pleased to note that aj brought up that the DefCon pros hacked into thirty different voting machines in various ways with no machine being thought unhackable. It does seem that paper ballots and recounts should remain a part of the voting process for now.

A few days ago we had a tight race for City Clerk. It will probably be
recounted. One election observer has filed a motion to have the absentee ballots, which gave Winfrey the win, not be counted in this race.
Gilchrist criticized Winfrey for the errors made in the 2016 Presidential Election which were uncovered during the recount. He did not have so much to say about the cuts in funding to the Detroit Election Department ahead of the 2016 election, and the fact that temporary workers who had never done the work before had just been hired for that election. Winfrey admitted that they should have had more training.

[Richard]

The Defcon hack was with older equipment and the end result was,yes you can hack a machine.

With 8000 voting districts in the U.S. and over 20,000 machines that are not connected,it would take crews of thousands to disassemble and reprogram each machine.

Yes they can be hacked but the odds are slim that one could assemble a crew large enough to effectively alter the results overall.

The bigger problem is like in the last election, is the media and disinformation campaign,and the parties choseing the options of who one votes for,it was clear in the beginning that there were only two candidates are we got to pick one.

I do not think the dirty politics is any different then 50 years ago other then we get a miniute by miniute update with social media.

I also do not think the media was exactly fair and balanced,you can always find somebody that agrees with your slant and put them in front of the public and change thier opinion to fact,even though at the end of the day it was only thier opinions.

The machines are the least of the problem,more so the Information Age has shown us that information can be manipulated to suit an agenda and steer those who are easily manipulated.

Of course if people had just voted for Jeb Bush we would not be in this quagmire to begin with.

[Zacha341]

I hear you. The Bush dynasty would have been preferred over the Clinton one!

Of course if people had just voted for Jeb Bush we would not be in this quagmire to begin with.