Canada Will NOT take disgruntled voters.

[Bigb23]

Windsor will you take me? I like your ballet.

Syrians yes- Detroiters no.

[Király]

Apply here: http://cic.gc.ca/english

That website was so overloaded last night that it crashed. It's back online now but seems to be very slow.

[Wesley Mouch]

The risk that might support Stephen Harper just couldn't be ignored. Americans denied.

[Lowell]

Stephen Harper? Try Rona Ambrose.

[CassTechGrad]

Jon Stewart said he will leave not only the United States, but he'd consider leaving Earth if Trump becomes president:

[Jimaz]

Cape Breton Island is going to get pretty crowded.

[Zacha341]

THE GREAT MIGRATION! Some of this will settle down in a bit of time. Yet if I don't begrudge people from leaving use. Many of us have at least thought about it from time to time.

Jon Stewart said he will leave not only the United States, but he'd consider leaving Earth if Trump becomes president:

[Zacha341]

Yeah, it went down about midnight! And the more that news got out the more people attempted access. What a fun IT time for sure!

Apple here: http://cic.gc.ca/english

That website was so overloaded last night that it crashed. It's back online now but seems to be very slow.

[Bham1982]

Canada would be MUCH smarter taking in properly vetted immigrants and refugees than Americans. We are a sorry country right now.

[stinkytofu]

I never want to be "disgrundled".

[davewindsor]

Windsor will you take me? I like your ballet.

Syrians yes- Detroiters no.

Why would you want to? We are headed for huge unemployment. Canada's taxes are a lot higher now and under Trump's plan your taxes will be significantly lower. Ontario has the highest electricity rates in North America. The carbon tax is raising the price of oil and natural gas. All of Canada's jobs are headed to the US with Trump as President: it's not going to make sense anymore to manufacture anything in Canada.

[Canadian Visitor]

Why would you want to? We are headed for huge unemployment. Canada's taxes are a lot higher now and under Trump's plan your taxes will be significantly lower. Ontario has the highest electricity rates in North America. The carbon tax is raising the price of oil and natural gas. All of Canada's jobs are headed to the US with Trump as President: it's not going to make sense anymore to manufacture anything in Canada.

What an asinine piece of drivel!

I'm no shill for the Premier or her party; but let's at least keep things factual.

Ontario's electricity rates are middle of the pack, both in Canada and North America.

Canada's unemployment, and Windsor's has been on a steady decline, and is only slightly above U.S. levels adjusted for methodology.

Manufacturing employment in Ontario is actually, growing, albeit only at the margins.

***

And this latter point is an issue in both countries, in that automation, in particular, means that even if you keep/gain a factory it will require fewer people than ever to operate.

A full-line Auto assembly plant use to require 3,000+ to operate.

Today that number is closer to 800 on new builds, and continues to decline.

That is a serious problem for 'blue collar' folks throughout the developed world.

Likewise, retail employment, if wages rise to a more sustainable level, will see [[and is seeing) automation pressure.

McDs all across Toronto now sports automated self-ordering terminals; and cashiers have been reduced by up to 2/3.

***

Back to Ontario.

Taxes here are only marginally higher than those in the U.S.

And here you don't have to buy [[or your employer buy) health insurance.

When you consider an apples to apples comparison.

Individual taxes are slightly higher in ON than comparable US jurisdictions.

However, business taxes are lower.

Much lower.

[Honky Tonk]

Why would you want to? We are headed for huge unemployment. Canada's taxes are a lot higher now and under Trump's plan your taxes will be significantly lower. Ontario has the highest electricity rates in North America. The carbon tax is raising the price of oil and natural gas. All of Canada's jobs are headed to the US with Trump as President: it's not going to make sense anymore to manufacture anything in Canada.

C'mon, davewindsor, USA will take you in. It's not a bad place to live, but we do have a bit of an ass for a president...

[Bham1982]

Why would you want to? We are headed for huge unemployment. Canada's taxes are a lot higher now and under Trump's plan your taxes will be significantly lower. Ontario has the highest electricity rates in North America. The carbon tax is raising the price of oil and natural gas. All of Canada's jobs are headed to the US with Trump as President: it's not going to make sense anymore to manufacture anything in Canada.

None of this makes any sense. Trump will likely destroy the U.S., which, yes, will also harm Canada, but none of your specific rantings have any remote basis in reality.

You will never find an economist on the right or left who agrees with anything you just wrote.

[davewindsor]

What an asinine piece of drivel!

I'm no shill for the Premier or her party; but let's at least keep things factual.

Ontario's electricity rates are middle of the pack, both in Canada and North America.

What a clueless response! Think before you speak.

https://niagaraatlarge.com/2016/08/1...canada-or-u-s/

Ontarians Paying Highest Hydro Rates Of Any Region In Canada Or U.S.

Posted on August 10, 2016 | Leave a comment
Statement from Ontario PC Energy Critic John Yakabuski on Ontario’s electricity rates
Posted August 10^th, 2016 on Niagara At Large
Queen’s Park, Toronto – The following is a statement from Ontario PC Energy Critic John Yakabuski on Ontario’s electricity rates:
“[[This August 10^th) we learned that Ontario Hydro One customers officially pay the highest residential electricity rates in North America, after our province’s fast-increasing rates surpassed Hawaii’s.
Blame for this sad news rests solely with the [[province’s) Liberal Government. It would not have been possible without their 13 years of scandal, mismanagement, and waste within the energy sector.
In my travels across the province, I’ve seen first-hand the impacts skyrocketing energy rates have had on the hardworking people of our province. Since the Liberal Government first took office, average households are paying $1,000 more a year on their annual hydro bills, meaning some families are being faced with the difficult choice of eating or heating their home.
Despite this, the Wynne Liberals refuse to acknowledge a ‘crisis’ within our energy sector, and have no plans to clean up their mess.
It’s very clear, for Ontario ratepayers, life is harder under the Wynne Liberals.”
The analysis on Hydro rates were conducted by Parker Gallant, a retired TD banker with a background in international banking. His report and information about his background can be found by clicking on the following links –

https://parkergallantenergyperspecti...north-america/

Canada's unemployment, and Windsor's has been on a steady decline, and is only slightly above U.S. levels adjusted for methodology.

Manufacturing employment in Ontario is actually, growing, albeit only at the margins.

***

That was before Trump was elected. You are responding with "past tense" when I am responding with "future tense". He doesn't take office until January 1st, 2017. Your response makes no sense.

If it's cheaper to operate in the US, why continue to operate in Ontario under Trudeau and Wynn. Have you heard of the new carbon tax or are you living in a vacuum? It was written on my natural gas bill that the new carbon tax will increase my gas bill by 0.034 cents a cubic meter starting Jan. 1st. This is addition to my hydro bill doubling over the past couple years.

Trump is significantly lowering corporate and income taxes in the US. How are we competitive when the government is raising the cost of everything in Ontario to pay for free university tuition and many other increases in socialist policies?

And this latter point is an issue in both countries, in that automation, in particular, means that even if you keep/gain a factory it will require fewer people than ever to operate.

A full-line Auto assembly plant use to require 3,000+ to operate.

Today that number is closer to 800 on new builds, and continues to decline.

That is a serious problem for 'blue collar' folks throughout the developed world.

What a ridiculous retort. You need to spend hundreds of millions to billions of dollars for new automation and retooling a plant. It's not a one-shot deal. If you don't, the plant is dated after 3-5 years. Where's the incentive to make these new investments? Also, automation doesn't always work. Take, for instance, the former Budd Automotive Plant in Kitchener Ontario that made truck and van frames. They spent billions in robotics to automate the plant. The welds were off. The initiative failed and the lines had to manually re-weld the frames. Also, robotics and even manually welding requires electricity. They did a cost analysis and decided to demolish the plant and move back to the US. If you go back to that site today, you will see that the building is levelled and it's a vacant parcel of land. The International Truck assembly plant closed in Chatham Ontario and moved back to the US because it was cheaper. The Ford assembly plant in St. Thomas Ontario shut down and moved production to the US because it wasn't worth retooling this plant in overpriced Ontario. These were plants that once employed thousands of people before the decision was made to shut them down.

Automation costs a fortune and US companies need to see a benefit to operating in Canada to remain in Canada, which they don't and they will have further reason not to in 2017.

Likewise, retail employment, if wages rise to a more sustainable level, will see [[and is seeing) automation pressure.

McDs all across Toronto now sports automated self-ordering terminals; and cashiers have been reduced by up to 2/3.

Now you're talking about minimum wage jobs, not the middle class. Who gives a sh-t?? Why do you think people are lining up to take these minimum wage paying jobs?

***

Back to Ontario.

Taxes here are only marginally higher than those in the U.S.

And here you don't have to buy [[or your employer buy) health insurance.

When you consider an apples to apples comparison.

Individual taxes are slightly higher in ON than comparable US jurisdictions.

However, business taxes are lower.

Much lower.

More ignorance. Trump is repealling Obamacare, so the employer's health insurance costs will be cheaper. It won't be competitive with the US anymore.

And again, you are comparing past tense to future tense. Trump plans to significantly lower income and business taxes. That's where Ontario is going to get killed.

[davewindsor]

None of this makes any sense. Trump will likely destroy the U.S., which, yes, will also harm Canada, but none of your specific rantings have any remote basis in reality.

You will never find an economist on the right or left who agrees with anything you just wrote.

So, your response is to respond with baseless and empty rhetoric. What YOU SAID doesn't make any sense.

[Bham1982]

So, your response is to respond with baseless and empty rhetoric. What YOU SAID doesn't make any sense.

Not my fault you don't understand basic economics. If you can't find a single economist who supports your theory, and you can't, your theory is garbage.

You also don't seem to understanding the meaning of the word "rhetoric". Economist PhDs don't engage in "baseless and empty rhetoric". Facts matter, even post-Trump disaster.

[Canadian Visitor]

What a clueless response! Think before you speak.

https://niagaraatlarge.com/2016/08/1...canada-or-u-s/

Ontarians Paying Highest Hydro Rates Of Any Region In Canada Or U.S.

Not to put too fine a point on it. But listen, the shill you quote was debunked on his own website.

As usual with Parker Gallant analysis, he is very selective with the “facts”. He only reference s”Low” and “Medium” density customers, which make up very few Hydro customers in Ontario. What about urban customers? He also obsesses about delivery charges and includes HST and does not just price at the actual price of electricity. He should not be including HST unless he is going to include taxes in every jurisdiction in North America. He claims Ontario is the highest in North America, but only compares to Hawaii. What about all the other electricity markets in all of North America. If you look at the Hydro Quebec analysis that they publish every single year, you can see that electricity rates in Toronto are about average in North America, suggesting that electricity prices for most in Ontario are about average in North America. How does he square that with his very simplistic, narrow, deceptive and superficial analysis? See: https://issuu.com/hydroquebec/docs/comp_2015_en

[Wesley Mouch]

Stephen Harper? Try Rona Ambrose.

I thought few would understand if I wrote Jason Kenney [[or any of the other thousands of PC candidates).

[Canadian Visitor]

Let further note, that Obamacare will largely remain.

You really think congress is going to pass a clean repeal, resulting in record high rates of uninsured Americans?

Political suicide.

The exchanges may be turfed; but costs will remain, employer health plans will remain; and if insurance is no longer mandatory, costs on the residually insured will rise.

***

Trump has lowered no taxes as yet; and last I checked there was still a US Federal deficit.

Which program is he going to sack? How high will he run the debt?

The truth his he may well cut some tax rates; but this will be paid for by eliminating deductions, and/or corporate subsidies; and again, he has to get that passed first.

The current gross Corp tax rate in the U.S. is 43%; in Ontario its 26.5% for large business [[incl Fed. rate) and 19.5% for small business.

[davewindsor]

Not to put too fine a point on it. But listen, the shill you quote was debunked on his own website.

As usual with Parker Gallant analysis, he is very selective with the “facts”. He only reference s”Low” and “Medium” density customers, which make up very few Hydro customers in Ontario. What about urban customers? He also obsesses about delivery charges and includes HST and does not just price at the actual price of electricity. He should not be including HST unless he is going to include taxes in every jurisdiction in North America. He claims Ontario is the highest in North America, but only compares to Hawaii. What about all the other electricity markets in all of North America. If you look at the Hydro Quebec analysis that they publish every single year, you can see that electricity rates in Toronto are about average in North America, suggesting that electricity prices for most in Ontario are about average in North America. How does he square that with his very simplistic, narrow, deceptive and superficial analysis? See: https://issuu.com/hydroquebec/docs/comp_2015_en

Your essay answer gets an F. Did you go to university because that's what the professor would give you. If you're going to quote an 82 page report, you have to cite what page and quote exactly from the report what you are referring to. Hawaii is the second highest behind Ontario. There's tonnes of articles on google that Ontario's rates are the highest when you factor in the delivery rates [[which is a separate line item), but affects the bottom line. Toronto rates are not average to other major cities in North America. You can't exclude delivery rates from the electricity rates, so you are just wasting my time.

[davewindsor]

Let further note, that Obamacare will largely remain.

You really think congress is going to pass a clean repeal, resulting in record high rates of uninsured Americans?

Political suicide.

The exchanges may be turfed; but costs will remain, employer health plans will remain; and if insurance is no longer mandatory, costs on the residually insured will rise.

***

Trump has lowered no taxes as yet; and last I checked there was still a US Federal deficit.

Which program is he going to sack? How high will he run the debt?

The truth his he may well cut some tax rates; but this will be paid for by eliminating deductions, and/or corporate subsidies; and again, he has to get that passed first.

The current gross Corp tax rate in the U.S. is 43%; in Ontario its 26.5% for large business [[incl Fed. rate) and 19.5% for small business.

Trump said that Obamacare was created by executive order. He said he will repeal that executive order within his first week of office. Executive orders don't need congressional approval. Do you not get how the American political system works?

What he replaces it with, if he does, I don't know, but he said the US is not going to have a single payer system like Canada and he's getting rid of Obamacare because it's too expensive and replacing it with something a lot cheaper. [[All his words, not mine).

Whether it's political suicide, it doesn't matter. It's not a parliamentary system. He's there for 4 years regardless of whether the majority of Congress agrees with him.

What PROOF do you have that he won't do what he said?

As I recall, he's reducing the gross Corp tax rate in the US from 43% to 21% in the first year, so it will be less than Ontario. He's also decreasing the income tax rates significantly less than Canada's, plus a bunch of other tax cuts. No carbon tax and repealling most of the environmental legislation, which means a lot cheaper energy.

What programs he will sack and how high he will run the debt is irrelevant at this point because he's now elected.

[G-DDT]

Oh c'mon Canada, it's not like you guys ever had a loud-mouthed, crass, and disgraceful politician [[most likely one who shares the name of one of our car companies)...uh, oh waithttps://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...ar-keenan.html

[Canadian Visitor]

Trump said that Obamacare was created by executive order. He said he will repeal that executive order within his first week of office. Executive orders don't need congressional approval. Do you not get how the American political system works?

What he replaces it with, if he does, I don't know, but he said the US is not going to have a single payer system like Canada and he's getting rid of Obamacare because it's too expensive and replacing it with something a lot cheaper. [[All his words, not mine).

Whether it's political suicide, it doesn't matter. It's not a parliamentary system. He's there for 4 years regardless of whether the majority of Congress agrees with him.

What PROOF do you have that he won't do what he said?

As I recall, he's reducing the gross Corp tax rate in the US from 43% to 21% in the first year, so it will be less than Ontario. He's also decreasing the income tax rates significantly less than Canada's, plus a bunch of other tax cuts. No carbon tax and repealling most of the environmental legislation, which means a lot cheaper energy.

What programs he will sack and how high he will run the debt is irrelevant at this point because he's now elected.

I pride myself on not name-calling. I tend to view it as juvenile and unhelpful, at best.

But there is a point, where I can no longer abide someone speaking as if they understand how to spell their own name, when that clearly is not the case.

Dave, The 'Affordable Care Act' ....[[ie. Obamacare) can not be repealed by Executive Order. It was passed by the House, the Senate and signed by Obama.

Its a law.

It is true, that Trump has many tools at his disposal through Executive Order to gum up the system.

Such as not appealing a court ruling that the reimbursement of insurers for certain policies, was not expressly provided for in the act. [[rough summation).

However, the Law clearly provides that insurers MUST provide such policies to low-income persons. The only way this is viable is via subsidy. In the absence of said subsidy you might bankrupt the insurers.

Good plan!

[[facepalm).

You have no real understanding of the issues; and this discussion, should it continue would degenerate into me making a complete fool out of you; save and except for the fact you do that the moment you open your mouth w/o my help.

I will spare you the embarrassment, and myself the waste of breath by ignoring you hence forth.

[davewindsor]

I pride myself on not name-calling. I tend to view it as juvenile and unhelpful, at best.

But there is a point, where I can no longer abide someone speaking as if they understand how to spell their own name, when that clearly is not the case.

You must have alzheimers. You name called me in your very first post to me in the first sentence, so what pride are you talking about? You have no idea what you are talking about and instead of responding analytically to everything I said, you focus on only one subject of my response thinking it's your saving grace, which you screwed up anyway.

Dave, The 'Affordable Care Act' ....[[ie. Obamacare) can not be repealed by Executive Order. It was passed by the House, the Senate and signed by Obama.

Its a law.

Yes, the Affordable Care Act was passed by the house. Obama made changes to it that didn't pass the house, which is why it's known as Obamacare. Likewise, if a President introduces a bill that passes both houses is what gets its name, then Medicare would be called “Johnsoncare” and Social Security “Rosecurity.”

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/obama-cla...alth-care-law/

WASHINGTON — President Obama claims he had the “executive authority” to change the Affordable Care Act after it became law.

But at a news conference Friday, the president did not say, and was not asked, what gave him the executive authority to delay enforcing the Obamacare employer mandate for a year, which many critics say was blatantly unconstitutional. ...

It is true, that Trump has many tools at his disposal through Executive Order to gum up the system.

Such as not appealing a court ruling that the reimbursement of insurers for certain policies, was not expressly provided for in the act. [[rough summation).

However, the Law clearly provides that insurers MUST provide such policies to low-income persons. The only way this is viable is via subsidy. In the absence of said subsidy you might bankrupt the insurers.

Good plan!

So how is Trump, as he says, going to completely repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act with Ben Carson's idea of Health Savings Accounts then?

Maybe you're the one who needs to get his head checked.

http://www.fox8live.com/story/336730...our-healthcare

NEW ORLEANS, LA [[WVUE) - President-elect Donald Trump doesn't mince words when it comes to his thoughts on the Affordable Care Act. According to his website, Trump is calling for a complete repeal, saying no person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to."
His position also states he plans to "replace Obamacare with Health Savings Accounts." We spoke with a Tulane Associate Professor of Health Policy about what that could mean.
"Until we see what replace looks like, we have to understand that we're looking at 20 to 24 million people who stand to lose their health insurance coverage under the Affordable Care Act," said Tulane Associate Professor of Health Policy Mollye Demosthenidy. ...

[[facepalm).

Go back to the washroom and palm yourself until you can act normal. I already got a woman. Do you just go up to everybody and offer hand jobs? Do you think this is Hollywood Boulevard? Geez. Sicko. No thanks!

You have no real understanding of the issues; and this discussion, should it continue would degenerate into me making a complete fool out of you; save and except for the fact you do that the moment you open your mouth w/o my help.

I will spare you the embarrassment, and myself the waste of breath by ignoring you hence forth.

Are you from another planet? You've already made a complete fool of yourself in every response to my posts. Talk about a waste of my time. Why is it when I read anything you have to say I remember this image of Trump and think it's you he's mocking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXgjnBpxGI