Original features of Detroit's grand old squares & parks

[masterblaster]

I jog through Cass Park every couple of weeks and I always thought with its design of pathways converging to its center, and given the historic nature of the park and the historic architecture that surrounds it, that a Grand Circus Park- or Dupont Circle [[of Wash DC)-type of fountain located smack dab in the middle of the park where all of the paths meet up together would like really nice.

I did a little research and discovered that indeed there originally was a fountain in the center of the park.







As you can see it wasn't spectacular or ornate, but it gave the park a focal point and an attractive water feature. I hope now that Mr. Ilitch will be revamping the park as part of the District Detroit, he would consider bringing back a fountain to the park. The park is in bad shape, the pavement is crumbling and some of the 1970's-80's elements are starting to show age and neglect.

Cass Park could be midtown's grandest and most elegant public square

[masterblaster]

In addition, Capital Park also had a fountain in it as well.





Do you notice all the greenery of the park in the bottom picture? I know that the park was renovated recently, but with all of the investment going on around the park, I hope a re-design of the park is considered that will give it more greenery, to make it a contrast and a refuge from all of the pavement and brick that surrounds it . And of course bring back a fountain/water feature!

[southen]

I am hopefuly Illitch does a complete makeover for Cass but I am not holding my breath.

As for Capitol Park Gilbert did hint at an overhaul a year or two ago. I love that area but the park is pretty bland with a bit too much concrete for my liking. More green and a water feature would be nice.

[masterblaster]

Clark Park in Southwest Detroit once had a small lake, with a fancy pedestrian bridge built over it, a wading pool, and a band stand








The wading pool, which sits empty, neglected, and non-functional, can be seen in this link, page 89

https://books.google.com/books?id=9O...20pool&f=false

[p69rrh51]

Hardly even seen in images of Capitol Park is this "Comfort Station" designed by Van Leyen, Schilling & Keogh and built in 1918.

[Gistok]

I think that it's about time to move this damaged and neglected puppy from Palmer Park back downtown where it was built and working.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/712887...93655/sizes/z/


Since Camput Martius is full.... this would make a nice centerpiece for Capitol Park...

[Richard]

I am hopefuly Illitch does a complete makeover for Cass but I am not holding my breath.

As for Capitol Park Gilbert did hint at an overhaul a year or two ago. I love that area but the park is pretty bland with a bit too much concrete for my liking. More green and a water feature would be nice.

I agree,they built urban parks back then to allow for an escape of the concrete jungle and not be a part of it.

Simple but elegant with green spaces and the water calming effect of the water fountains.

[Lowell]

Great pictures masterblaster, p69rrh51 and gistok. Thanks.

[EastsideAl]

Of course, few park in Detroit were as picturesque as Waterworks Park once was.

[EastsideAl]

There were once fountains even in little neighborhood parks. Here's a picture of one in the long-gone Crawford Park. Funny how it now seems to be such a huge technical challenge to keep just a few major fountains up and running sporadically, but it looks like the city had dozens of operating fountains 100 years ago.

[SaintMe]

I can't believe how beautiful these parks once were! I'm in Capitol Park every day and it doesn't even feel like a park to me. I usually walk around it, not through it. If they brought back some of that greenery I might actually stop and spend some time there.

[masterblaster]

Maybe 10 to 12 years ago, I read on a long-gone website that Palmer Park had an "extended river". So I did some research and found that indeed the park had a canal as seen below.






Also, Palmer Park had a 2nd lake with boathouse and a casino [[burned down in '45)



a rustic bridge over the canal


and a rustic well


From what I can tell, all of these water features were filled in the 1950's with dirt from the Lodge Freeway excavation. Why did they decide to get rid of these features????

[masterblaster]

Grand Circus Park had a different fountain on the east side of the park as depicted in this 1906 image. The current fountain has a lady figure.

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[masterblaster]

Riverfront Park, the oft-overlooked park at the foot of West Grand Boulevard had a very well-appointed landscaping and structure at the water's edge

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[EastsideAl]

Maybe 10 to 12 years ago, I read on a long-gone website that Palmer Park had an "extended river". So I did some research and found that indeed the park had a canal as seen below.

Explains my mother's memories of "boating in Palmer Park" as a youngster. I always wondered what the hell she was talking about.

[jackie5275]

Grand Circus Park had a different fountain on the east side of the park as depicted in this 1906 image. The current fountain has a lady figure.

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[jackie5275]

Riverfront Park, the oft-overlooked park at the foot of West Grand Boulevard had a very well-appointed landscaping and structure at the water's edge

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[masterblaster]

Let me see if I can get this right -

Riverfront Park's [[at the foot of West Grand Blvd) original design [[much better than the non-descript park it is today)
Picture is from 1895, notice no houses at the foot of West Grand Boulevard in top photo.

[masterblaster]

The fountain on the eastern side of Grand Circus Park:

[masterblaster]

Washington Boulevard had a fountain as well

[masterblaster]

Owen Park on the east Riverfront had a fountain and a small wading pool for the little kiddies [[see bottom photo)


Does this park still exist?

[masterblaster]

Belle had a sheltered pier [[this was probably in the pre-Sunset Point days)

[Gistok]

One has to realize that Grand Circus Park east and west were totally ripped apart in 1955 in order to put underground parking there. Everything was torn out, trees and fountains.

Only what could be saved [[statuary and some fancy fountainworks) was saved, and reinstalled [[not often at the same location)....

[EastsideAl]

Owen Park on the east Riverfront had a fountain and a small wading pool for the little kiddies [[see bottom photo)


Does this park still exist?

Yes, Owen Park is still there. It's on Jefferson just south of Indian Village. I spent a fair amount of time there as a kid, but even by that time [[1960s & '70s) all of the features you show were gone.

The park has been completely neglected for years, and now serves mostly as a muddy pass through for people driving down to the river to fish or hang out.

[kklemmer]

There were once fountains even in little neighborhood parks. Here's a picture of one in the long-gone Crawford Park. Funny how it now seems to be such a huge technical challenge to keep just a few major fountains up and running sporadically, but it looks like the city had dozens of operating fountains 100 years ago.

We traded frequent cleaning requirements and a wasteful attitude towards water for high complexity and expense. Modern water features have underground holding tanks, filtration and purification systems to avoid algae growth and no make people sick if they ingest water or spray along with high pressure pumps to use that water from the tank instead of city pressure. All this has to be decommissioned and drained every season, another expense. Of course, all this technology needs a control system to operate it. Modern water features are thus hugely expensive, like hundreds of thousands for some of the ones pictured here.

Whereas before there was often simply a pipe with a pool and water often leaked out and evaporated as fast as it was going in. Workers would have to clean the pools regularly as leaves and other organic debris make a mucky mess in just a few weeks in a closed system.