Trump's Upcoming Ruins Porn Tour of Detroit

[Lowell]

It is being reported that Republican Candidate Donald Trumps's team is planning an early September ruins porn tour of Detroit, where retired neurosurgeon and former Republican primary rival Ben Carson would guide him on a tour of the impoverished neighborhoods where he grew up.

It is billed as a 'look what the Democrats did' attempt to woo African-American votes with whom, in some polls, he is seen attracting less than 1% support and carrying the punch line ‘What do you have to lose. Try me’.

This is a savvy forum who knows the fall of Detroit’ as well as its current revival, are very nuanced and more the result of many complicated forces beyond two party politics [including cooperation], such as de-industrialization, oil embargoes, corporate disinvestment, redlining, urban sprawl, diminution of mass transit, a school system ravaged under state management, crime, block-busting, expressways and ease of suburban living.

Questions:
So what would you put into a tour that tells that story? The wall off Eight Mile that segregated neighborhoods, bits or DSR railway sticking out on Michigan Ave, the Highland Park Model T plant and Ford HQ…?

Does this ruins porn tour risk coming off as dog-whistling 'Look what [African-American] Democrats did?'

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...mber/89251136/

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

Maybe Carson can take him on a tour of where his made up stabbing story supposedly took place.

[Hypestyles]

Strange. I presume that Trump has no business holdings in metro Detroit. If he's "serious" about helping out here, he'll direct his company [[those he legitimately owns and not just licenses a "brand" out to) to do like Dan Gilbert and start buying up properties-- with the caveat that his company actually renovates them completely and then turns them into whatever is workable-- office building, retail, residential, or some combination thereof.

[G-DDT]

^^^Aren't there already Chicago investors encroaching on Detroit's situation. Many of them [[the guys with profiles that say "Cobo Hall" as there favorite place-as if we are to assume they didn't copy that from Wikipedia.) have spoof accounts on DY. They know everything about financing, buildings, infrastructures, roads, and any other clinically dry statistical knowledge one can do research online about. As far as anything genuinely Detroit from genuine background stories growing up to using the term "party store', they oddly lack. You can usually spot them as being big apologists for corporations and big business while being dismissive of gentrification.

[G-DDT]

Trump is desperate.

He brings up Hilary's health when he is the one looking apoplectic when he speaks.

He compares Hillary's actions to Watergate, when Watergate was a testament to years of crooked offensive attempts to aggressively spy, blackmail, send out false, slanderous reports and news leaks, ruin the marriages and lives of critics and opponents, plant evidence, affect voting by sending out POES to call voters, and even possible murder; even as Watergate was unfolding, it was being protected by certain departments of the government, and folks were afraid to speak up. It was called "skunk works" and "rat f*cking" for a reason. Hillary's defensive actions come no where near it. Trump doing this, is the equivalent of labeling an online opponent as "Hitler".

Trump won't elaborate on any plan, and keeps applying used car salesmen "trust me-it will all work out" tactics [[which brings up the classic question: would you buy a used car from him?). Are we to assume his buildings stay up just like that Monty Python skit about an architect who uses hypnotism to erect them, and folks can't question them to keep them standinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujRE2IkEIo? Yes, according to Trump, we should stop clapping for Tinkerbell, and start clapping for him.

Trumps rhetoric still is filled with wildly exaggerative, superlative-laced, emotion-riling language designed to spur people and play off their fears.


Finally, as Seth Meyers pointed out last night, Trump is changing tactics about race and immigration which has some Republicans angry. He agrees with some things Obama has done right in these areas [[now), but still maintains his position that he will do things far different, for to vote for Hiliary [[according to him) is to "add four more years of Obama". Rather contradictory and duplicitly sneaky, but can we assume he just got visited in the night by three pre-Holiday season spirits that gave him a radical change of heart, and that he won't revert back to what we so passionately saw as his motives from the start [["read my lips: No new taxes!"). Such waffling lends to one manipulatively testing the wind and manically adjusting his strategy if it will just "do the job" [[just like playing up to Evangelicals and pushing them off to the side after getting elected as we saw with the last three Republicans), and not to a man who bears any genuine consistency.

As a side note: Meyers pointed out how Trump had an "Apprentice" show idea on Howard Stern in 2005, in which black contestants and white contestants [[each with the same education and credentials) were to compete on opposite teams.

P.S.-some Dick Tuck-style fortune cookie fortune questions for all reporters to pursue: where is Trump's tax information, and just what are his connections to the Soviets?

[Farwell]

Lowell, Were you REALLY expecting any contrary opinions from this forum?

[lpg]

Lowell, What do you mean by "ease of suburban living" ?

[Gistok]

Lowell, What do you mean by "ease of suburban living" ?

Well I can't speak for Lowell... but I can answer for myself..... low property taxes, no local income taxes, 5 min. 911 response time... a more relative feeling of safety [[you're never 100% safe), street lights that work. Nearby convenience shopping [[even at night)... and a fast freeway ride to almost anywhere. That is what it is for me, and I live at I-696/I-94... in SCS... to put it into perspective.

I love my old neighborhood... in the Balduck Park area of Detroit.... but sadly it has gone downhill... and to me... if it can be rejuvenated before too much housing stock is lost, then it stands a good chance of a renaissance, at least in that part of Detroit. Some parts are so far gone, that total bulldozing would be best. But there are areas such as EEV and points eastward, that if they are saved from further blight... then there may be hope yet for the decimated east side. Sadly, as bad as the residential has gotten.... it's the business districts along Harper, E. Warren and Mack that have not helped people stay hopeful.

The future for Detroit is not building anew in the neighborhoods... but saving the high quality, mainly brick surviving housing, and restoring safety and value in the neighborhoods. As for DPS? Too far gone.... no one... regardless of race, wants to deal with the DPS system.

[Richard]

Or maybe during his visit he can see from a business standpoint that the city is in a position to move fast,because if he does get elected he needs to move fast and hard and not many other cities have done the groundwork and is at the point Detroit is.

Maybe they could start with a small glass works,because when the glass is half empty you can pour it into a smaller glass and it becomes half full.

Everybody is pretty much aware of what happened and why because it happened in every city,the question would be where do we go from here and how do we get there.

Is he racist because there should be two sets of rules ? Most of the ones I have seen calling him racist is because of his immigration stance,but if you were an immigrant that came to this country and spent years becoming a citizen,not to even scrape up the 10 to 15,000 working crap jobs to come up with that money,how would you feel if the guy standing next to you just got a free pass and granted automatic citizenship.

So some are saying he is an ass and the African Amercian community in Detroit and elsewhere is in a happy place and nothing needs changing.

What exactly can the DNC say that they can change that they have not been able to change in the last 8 years? Some fairy princess is going to drop out of the sky and poof education and jobs suddenly appear?

Seems like there are more with less opportunity then there was before.Well I take that back,Wal-Mart is hiring.

[Danny]

It's too late for that. Trump has lost of lot of African American support. He can go with Carson and tour the Ghettos of Detroit. I hope that don't get shot and robbed while they are out there.

[mikefmich]

It's too late for that. Trump has lost of lot of African American support. He can go with Carson and tour the Ghettos of Detroit. I hope that don't get shot and robbed while they are out there.

I think one has to "have" something before they can lose it.

[G-DDT]

I think one has to "have" something before they can lose it.

Well, at least those poor little rich guys have each other. For all I care, they can go down by the riverfront and dance cheek to cheek with each other, if they choose [[-but that's only keeping in context with Carson's view that such activities are done only by those who've made a choice to do so).

[canuck]

Two fine nursery Rhymes to illustrateur your dilemma:
Hillary, Trickery Dock.
Trumpty Dumpty sat on a wall.

[Honky Tonk]

Or maybe during his visit he can see from a business standpoint that the city is in a position to move fast,because if he does get elected he needs to move fast and hard and not many other cities have done the groundwork and is at the point Detroit is.

Maybe they could start with a small glass works,because when the glass is half empty you can pour it into a smaller glass and it becomes half full.

Everybody is pretty much aware of what happened and why because it happened in every city,the question would be where do we go from here and how do we get there.

Is he racist because there should be two sets of rules ? Most of the ones I have seen calling him racist is because of his immigration stance,but if you were an immigrant that came to this country and spent years becoming a citizen,not to even scrape up the 10 to 15,000 working crap jobs to come up with that money,how would you feel if the guy standing next to you just got a free pass and granted automatic citizenship.

So some are saying he is an ass and the African Amercian community in Detroit and elsewhere is in a happy place and nothing needs changing.

What exactly can the DNC say that they can change that they have not been able to change in the last 8 years? Some fairy princess is going to drop out of the sky and poof education and jobs suddenly appear?

Seems like there are more with less opportunity then there was before.Well I take that back,Wal-Mart is hiring.

Not to mention free medical, free housing, free assistance, and a free drivers license, all on the working class tax payers dime. As long as DEMS are handing out free money, what me worry?

[Dan Wesson]

Ahhhh, a good old fashioned "Manure Tour".

Seriously...

If a significant portion of the common people depends on the on the 'well intentioned but gone awry' benevolence of Democrat and Republican Social Welfare Programs the result is a substandard way of life and entrapment in that substandard way of life.

I can attest that what you see on a Manure Tour in Detroit is the same you are gonna see in up state Michigan backwoods.

Now, Democrat and Republican Business and Corporate Welfare Programs do seem to do much better for the Oligarch and Asset owning folk.

Lowell your bias and spinning is showing, non issue. It seems as if spin is the style de riguerur.

Now, does this show what African American Democrats have done to Detroit?

Not really.

Were they Elected to positions of power? Yes.

Did the elected officials have what it takes to be truly effective? Yes and No.

Did they take on a job that required a full sized construction backhoe and then given a hand shovel to do it? Yes

[southen]

Some fairy princess is going to drop out of the sky and poof education and jobs suddenly appear?

That would be like supporting a candidate who says a bunch of things like "were gonna win so hard" and "trust me im going to fix everything" without providing any details whatsoever, no?

[Dan Wesson]

That would be like supporting a candidate who says a bunch of things like "were gonna win so hard" and "trust me im going to fix everything" without providing any details whatsoever, no?

Sound bites that is what the Media wants and the sheeple can absorb without straining themselves.

Both camps do it.

I mean after all... Let's give 'em sumpin to talk about.

[Lowell]

From today's Crain's...

Trump will visit the Great Faith Ministries International on Saturday in Detroit, a predominantly black church at 10735 Grand River Ave., in the heart of the city, said Pastor Mark Burns, a Trump supporter who arranged a meeting between the Republican presidential nominee and the church's leader, Bishop Wayne T. Jackson....

Burns has emerged as a top surrogate for Trump within the black community, frequently appearing on cable networks and introducing Trump at his rallies.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...nce-in-detroit

No mention was made of the above announced tour with Ben Carson. Wondering if that is now shelved.

[Bigdd]

Soon everyone will be on welfare and there won't be a Republican party anymore.

82% of taxpayers vote Republican,.. but there just aren't enough of us left.

[bust]

Soon everyone will be on welfare and there won't be a Republican party anymore.

82% of taxpayers vote Republican,.. but there just aren't enough of us left.

Bigdd, where do you get your information? They are lying to you.

The map you posted was originally created by Buzzfeed, and it had nothing to do with taxes. Someone changed the labels on the bar chart to fool you!

https://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpol...oked-like-with



The statistic you quote was another lie. For starters, let's look at the facts about who pays taxes:

How many taxpayers are there in the U.S.?

https://www.reference.com/business-f...8694fa210c6dbf

Who doesn’t pay taxes, in eight charts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...xes-in-charts/

Here's a tidbit. You know who doesn't pay income taxes? Old people:



By the way, Bill Moyers & Company did a great analysis of that map at Buzzfeed. What they say about it seems relevant here:

Dog Whistle Politics: What if Only White People Voted?

http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/28/dog...-people-voted/

I note you're the same person who is convinced Michelle Obama is a transsexual:

http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthr...594#post510594
http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthr...609#post510609

If you're willing to believe that I have my doubts logic can persuade you to believe anything other than what you want to believe. But here's one more chance.

[Bigdd]

I note you're the same person who is convinced Michelle Obama is a transsexual:

http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthr...594#post510594
http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthr...609#post510609

I can't help but notice that you haven't said that you think it's untrue. Care to go on record?


45.3% of American households pay no federal income tax. Yet they are able to vote themselves more free stuff in elections.

Do you think that people receiving state aid should be allowed to vote? Giving to charity is a great and noble thing. But when someone can vote your dollars into their pockets,.. it's stealing. Can you really build an economy on theft?

[Bigdd]

Here's a tidbit. You know who doesn't pay income taxes? Old people:

And if you read even more carefully,.. you'll notice in the title,.. that they're referring to "workers",.. and not people.

"7) Over their full lifetime, the vast majority of workers end up paying income taxes and federal taxes."


So that's only people that ARE working,.. and cannot be claimed as a dependent by someone else.

Which goes exactly to my point that the chronically unemployed and the poor vote overwhelmingly Democrat,.. and the Democrats work tirelessly to grow that demographic so as to ensure they are the only party capable of wining a national election.

[detroitbob]

not a visit to one of the mainstream lack congregations...

[emu steve]

It is being reported that Republican Candidate Donald Trumps's team is planning an early September ruins porn tour of Detroit, where retired neurosurgeon and former Republican primary rival Ben Carson would guide him on a tour of the impoverished neighborhoods where he grew up.

It is billed as a 'look what the Democrats did' attempt to woo African-American votes with whom, in some polls, he is seen attracting less than 1% support and carrying the punch line ‘What do you have to lose. Try me’.

This is a savvy forum who knows the fall of Detroit’ as well as its current revival, are very nuanced and more the result of many complicated forces beyond two party politics [including cooperation], such as de-industrialization, oil embargoes, corporate disinvestment, redlining, urban sprawl, diminution of mass transit, a school system ravaged under state management, crime, block-busting, expressways and ease of suburban living.

Questions:
So what would you put into a tour that tells that story? The wall off Eight Mile that segregated neighborhoods, bits or DSR railway sticking out on Michigan Ave, the Highland Park Model T plant and Ford HQ…?

Does this ruins porn tour risk coming off as dog-whistling 'Look what [African-American] Democrats did?'

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...mber/89251136/

This gets back to Trump's real motivation, esp. / assuming he loses in November:

Here is a quote from the Washington Post [[the red, bolding are mine I copied this from an email I sent):

“They’ll turn the campaign into a news network,” predicts Ben Shapiro, the former editor at large of Breitbart and a conservative commentator and author.

And just where on the spectrum might such a venture position itself?
“Bannon and Trump see an opening to the right of Fox,” Shapiro said. "

[Honky Tonk]

Let's see.... Bill Clinton signs NAFTA and puts millions of American workers out of jobs. Bill Clinton admittedly signed laws that caused the needless incarceration of hundreds of thousands of African Americans. Shillary Clinton hires former Monsanto lobbyist as her campaign manager. [[no ties there) Shillary Clinton sabotages Bernie Sanders successfully popular run @ the White House, and nominates herself candidate, rendering "freedom of choice" meaningless. Shillary Clinton effectively is traveling the Country, flip-flopping on issues as needed, and actually buying peoples votes. But the Kool-Aid Kids are right, Trump is the threat. Carry on.